Jan. 14, 2025
A Conversation Between History Buff(oon)s
Imagine unraveling the intricate web of World War II over a casual drink, understanding how a small group used psychological manipulation to control millions. Join us as we explore this chilling history, revealing the dark secrets of the Nazi regime. We even find ourselves captivated by maritime history, discussing shipwrecks and naval battles despite our initial indifference to the ocean.
Our curiosity knows no bounds as we journey back to medieval times, delving into the romanticized world of knights and Arthurian legends. Personal challenges, like ADD, have driven our search for lesser-known historical figures such as Phyllis Wheatley and the Sullivan brothers. These stories push us beyond conventional narratives, offering a fresh and nuanced view of the past, all while enriching our own understanding.
As we recount the making of our podcast, we share the poignant story of Rosemary Kennedy and her lobotomy, reflecting on the haunting history of such procedures. We're committed to uncovering the oddities of history, and we invite you to join us in this quest. Engage with us by sharing your questions and topic suggestions, as we strive to discover and share captivating historical narratives that resonate with our listeners.
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Chapters
00:10 - Discussion About Historical Perspectives
07:54 - Exploring Medieval Times and History
16:45 - Time Perception and Historical Interests
25:54 - Exploring Historical Interest and Recommendations
Transcript
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Oh, hey there.
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Oh, hello, how's it going, kate?
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Good, we're the History Buffins.
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I'm Kate.
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And I'm Bradley.
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And.
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We're just conversating.
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I'm drinking.
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Well, so am I, cheers, Cheers.
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Cheers Cross room, cheers Modelo Summer sh.
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So am I.
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Cheers, cheers, cheers, crestroom cheers Modelo Summer Shandy, it is mine.
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Well, yeah, no, we thought we would just kind of.
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Have a conversation.
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Have a conversation.
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Nothing is prepared, not at all.
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That's okay, but I guess I know I've asked you about World War II, your like of it.
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But what makes you enjoy history the way you do, and not specifically World War II?
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We'll get to that, but what fascinates you about history?
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I was never really into it in school right and I don't think I was really into it until I started watching movies and kind of remembering movies.
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Sure, um, I started liking war movies right which Right which, again, is your go-to history?
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So what drew me was World War II history, mostly the Germans, the Nazis, and how that all worked out.
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Right.
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But as I've, been researching for History Buffoons, I've noticed that, yes, wars are something that I find fascinating, and then something very bizarre.
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But I kind of started piecing together like, hmm, I keep clicking on this type of topic, Even though I'm not choosing it right now because, I've done one or two already.
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I've been a little bit more interested in learning about, like nautical events okay that's awesome which?
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has never been a thing of mine sure and not just, like world war ii, specific nautical no you know, like we've done, you know the juno, about the juno, you know that was very nautical, but shipwrecks, and I've always been fascinated by stuff like that, especially older ones, of course.
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Um, what, what draws you?
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I know you mentioned, you know, nazis, germans, how it all worked out, blah blah, but what really like?
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What's the main thing that you always think about when you think about world war ii, history?
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the holocaust.
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What interests me is how a group of people granted it's, it's a.
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It was a government essentially at the time, yeah, of course um a movement on how these individuals can control a whole race.
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Sure, I think that is really fascinating.
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It's so scary.
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Well, yeah, because of what they did to try and beat them into submission, basically yeah, or annihilate them, for that matter there was plenty of heroes doing undercover stuff and behind-the-scenes stuff, oh for sure, and those are still coming to light, you know, but so many people just succumb to this.
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And behind the scenes stuff and oh for sure, and those are still like, coming to light, you know, but so many people just succumb to this and it's.
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I find it really interesting that I guess it's in the numbers, I guess, like this small group of people is controlling this really large group of people isn't that wild because, wouldn't you think like it would be the opposite
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strength in numbers.
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Yeah, like, um, no, we're gonna not do that.
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We got more people than you, but yet they they had enough people follow their ideals that were forceful enough with their military guns, all that whatever, and be like, no, you're gonna listen to what the fuck we're saying.
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And people then did.
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It was just wild that they could do that.
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But like you said in the Trottle episode, how her husband, new husband I'd rather go to the front lines than be around Hitler because he is so manipulative.
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I won't know where my thoughts Start or end, or anything.
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Yeah, I won't know where my thoughts start or end or anything.
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Yeah, so I mean it's just to be that controlling or manipulative over someone's thoughts and life and brain, whatever.
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It's just wild.
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So I get your love for that.
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That makes sense.
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Well, my fascination to learn it.
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Well, I guess, sure it's more accurate, but I'm not really sure where the nautical stuff came from.
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It's a fascination to learn it.
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Well, I guess, sure it's more accurate, but Well, you know what I mean and I'm not really sure where the nautical stuff came from.
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You've been finding it interesting.
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Yeah, that's good though, but I'm trying not to like.
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I want to do it on this boat and this ship and this.
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U-boat and this submarine.
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Yeah, no, I get that.
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But there's a couple on my topic list that I would like to, uh, to work in.
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Well, we can over time, and I'm not an ocean person, like I don't mind being at the beach Um, I don't mind that at all.
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I'm much more of a mountains person, but, um, I get motion sick as well, so I can't really be on the water very much, right, um, so that wasn't ever something that I was super interested in.
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Um, so the fact that I'm like I want to learn more about it, yeah, that's that's new for me, but I, I like that, I like that, I, I'm interested in it and I am I am a person that I always want to learn.
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Right, I was a hearing specialist.
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I went to aesthetic school.
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I went to massage school.
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I was, I taught I'm out of school now.
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Yeah, like I.
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I just, I want to aesthetic school.
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I went to massage school.
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I was, I taught I'm out of school now.
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Yeah, like I.
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I just, I want to learn, sure, no, I get that.
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It's funny every time I think of I've.
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I've never had an issue being on a boat.
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I never get like motion sickness or I'm really jealous of that it's funny, though.
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Every time I think about being on a boat, I always go back to our trip to Hawaii, and we went on this boat and went whale watching oh cool, so we got to see humpback whales.
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Nice.
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But I remember, because I was 17 at the time and I had long hair, like really long hair, and I didn't tie it up.
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Oops, yeah, I needed to brush the fuck out of that.
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Yuck, so because of the wind, yeah, yeah.
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So every time I think about being on a boat, that's the first thought that comes to mind about my life being on a boat.
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Nathan and I went to Mackinac Island for um.
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It was more.
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It was our honeymoon, but it was like five years later after we married.
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That's all right yeah, um, but we went to mackinac island, which is um a little island um in michigan yep in the, in the great lakes, yeah, um, and we had.
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We get there by boat and on our way back my hair was down and oh yeah, same thing.
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It was so natted ratted it's the worst, yeah, but uh, obviously, well, I can't even grow hair in every spot anymore.
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So I don't have that issue anymore.
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Maybe when my beard gets longer again like it was before, but uh, no, it's just so.
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If you could pick another um timeframe, not world war two.
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Is there anything else that kind of draws you towards it or anything?
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I would probably say the Civil War.
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Sure, I find that really fascinating, yep, and I'm just kind of starting to get into the American Revolution, but it's not as interesting to me as the Civil War.
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Okay, sure.
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Yeah.
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What kind of piques your interest of the Civil War?
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Again, it's kind of like a small group of people trying to control a large group of people, the southerners, or you know who, the, the confederates yeah you know, trying to control the slaves.
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It's just, it's so bizarre, it's such bizarre behavior, yeah, that we let happen yeah, well, a lot of people don't know better, unfortunately yeah, and it just escalates and grows from that.
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But no, I get what you're saying, though.
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It's just wild.
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It's almost a little bit of like psychology, to go along with it.
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Oh for sure, yeah.
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Which is definitely above my pay grade, especially when my pay is zero.
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But yeah, there's definitely a psychological aspect of it, because in order to manipulate people into believing in your cause, there's got to be something there and you just you say it enough they're gonna believe it, kind of thing, whatever the fuck it is.
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But yeah, it's just wild that so many people can buy into that and be like, yes, let's do that.
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Yeah, just like again the whole Nazi thing and whatever, but yeah.
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What made you want to learn more about history in general?
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I have always enjoyed history.
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Again, I wasn't very good at school.
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I just I hated school because my ADD just was all over the place and I wasn't one of those medicated kids.
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Because, well, I hated school because my ADD just was all over the place and I wasn't one of those medicated kids.
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Because, well, it's not like my parents were like my son can't have ADD.
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It just wasn't a thing.
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It wasn't a diagnosed thing.
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No, exactly, and I was never tested for it or whatever.
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So I mean, I've always, even like in in school, when I was told I didn't know how to read obviously I was in third grade but years later it affected me but I would read what I wanted to read, even though I had a hard time doing it.
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I always loved reading about greek mythology, love that, um, and just like medieval times.
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You know, that's like one of my, if not my, favorite time frame of history.
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It just fascinates me that you know there's these giant castles, people in fucking suits of armor swinging a sword around and shit, and how they're portrayed and whatever, and like Arthurian legends and all that shit.
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I love that.
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But I don't know.
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I just I really I've always enjoyed history, history, and I don't know a lot of it.
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There's so much of it out there.
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I mean literally yesterday's history.
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So I remember that a lot more than I remember a thousand years ago because, well, I wasn't here, even though you tell me I'm old.
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But, um, I just I don't want to learn more, I want to be more diverse, and what I know about history, and am I going to retain all of it?
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of course not right but I'd like to think I'll retain some of it right and the beauty of recording it is I can always listen back yeah, yeah so yeah, so that's kind of nice.
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I just wanted to learn more about it because you always are taught the staples.
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World war ii and I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but just like you get your basics, this happened.
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The civil war, yeah yeah and then so it's.
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I don't want to say that like to take away from what you just said about what you like, but it's just like I want to learn other things in addition to that well, and then with the progression of the internet and documentation and all of that um, the older history kind of gets left behind essentially exactly, and I don't, I don't think it should well no, I want it to still be there and yeah
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relevant and whatever, and like learning about random people like phyllis.
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Oh, what was her last name?
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Wheatley wheatley.
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Um, I would have never known about her if we didn't do this podcast right.
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I would have never, ever heard of her before that, and so that to me is kind of cool.
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Yeah, because I mean I had no idea, or um, or even like our first technical episode, the sullivan brothers, I knew about them because of a song.
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I wouldn't have never known them if I didn't know that song.
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Yeah, probably Just random stuff like that.
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So I think it's cool to learn stuff in random ways, but also I like what you bring to the table in terms of teaching our stories, if you will.
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And yeah, I just like learning random shit.
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I know a lot of random shit, especially about movies.
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And now you're going to learn more.
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I hope so.
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I mean that's the goal, at least, right.
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Yeah.
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Because, again, we have fun doing this, but we have fun learning about random stuff.
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So what about medieval times?
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Are you like, most interested in?
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I think, especially when I was younger, the whole they made it seem so like majestic, being like a knight you know, knight in shining armor or whatever crap, and actually recently listening to a medieval, a history of the medieval times book, basically audiobook, um, saying that knights were, they grew to huge popularity and were a big important factor, like within wars and stuff, and they could make a lot of money doing what they did because they were good at it, basically, and then it just stopped.
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It's like yeah, we don't really need you because there's other advancements in warfare, basically right, but it still be.
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It still like grew to be a thing of um, you know chivalry thank you.
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I always have a hard time saying that word for some reason, but that grew from being a knight and everything.
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That's where that all started and whatnot.
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And, um, you know I like king arthur and you know knights of the round table, all that stuff that's just folk folklore, right?
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well, yeah it's not actual history, but you know, it's still historic in the fact that people believed in it, which is kind of funny.
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But, um, I mean, they literally thought that they found their grave and stuff, like King Arthur and Guinevere's grave, really, and bones and stuff.
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It's like no, that's just probably some random person that was buried there, man, but you do, you Anyways, but I don't know, I just I like it.
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I like the thoughts of well, let's go live in a big-ass castle with some fireplaces.
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That's so weird, I know.
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Live in a big-ass castle with some fireplaces.
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That's so weird, I know.
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And you got all these some castles with hidden tunnels to other rooms and underneath, and here we have a tapestry that covers the entire gigantic wall of stone?
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yeah, I don't know.
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I just I like, I like I don't know, I just I like, I like I don't know the older stuff like that.
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I guess it just fascinates me because I've always had a thing with, when it comes to stuff like that, history, that it's weird to think about sometimes, for me at least, that we're in the year 2024.
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We're in the year 2024.
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There was people walking around a thousand years ago doing stuff completely fucking different than what we do, you know, with obviously all of our advancements and everything.
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But they were just living, just like we are, just in a different way.
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There's shits in the street and everything.
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Yeah, I mean they probably literally shit in the street.
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But yeah, it's just, it's weird to like think that, well, they were there.
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Now we're here, there's gonna be people after us, you know, like my kids or you know, and they're hopefully their kids, kids and whatever.
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So it's just you as a grandfather why do you say it like that?
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weird why do you say it like that?
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because that means you'll be even older.
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Well, yeah, it's so weird.
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Time is weird, though time is so weird.
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Time is a weird thing and that again I think that goes with history quite a bit too is it's never ending, it's never stopping.
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You know, we've we were talking about that earlier how, when you're younger, basically do you remember summer vacation when you're younger, like just the feel of it.
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Yeah, the movie with, uh, christy alley, kirsty alley, my bad, she's dead.
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No, fact check me my phone's over there I'll fact check me kirsty alley is not dead you don't think so I will be heartbroken.
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I don't follow her career, but she's fabulous.
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Clearly she's fabulous uh, no, I am to be.
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I don't want to, and she was in a movie called um summer school, with you said summer vacation.
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My bad, but she was in a movie called summer school.
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Is that what it was with mark hammond from ncis?
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that's how is that right maybe?
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Did, she die two years ago yesterday really yes, december 5th two, two years ago.
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Told you how did she die.
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I don't know if it tells me here.
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It doesn't say in this little mini biography Wow.
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I don't remember her passing.
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Yeah, that's sad she was fabulous.
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Let's see Celebrate the life.
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Nope, I'm not going gonna go into detail or not detail, but depth on this wait.
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Colon cancer, there we go.
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Found it did not know she was suffering from the, the dreaded colon cancer.
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But yeah, told you, bummer, she passed away anyway.
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So what about summer vacation?
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remember how, when you're so, speaking of time, remember how when you're younger, especially in your, you know, elementary, probably once you start getting to high school, not as much, but summer vacation felt like it was like a year fucking long.
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You're done with school and like, at least when I went to school very like early-ish June and then you don't go back to.
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We went back to school like the end of August.
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You think about it, that's not even three months.
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And it felt like a year.
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Whereas the older you get, the shorter it feels the shorter it feels when all of a sudden, it's like school ended, fuck.
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I got to go back to school in a month or so.
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It's like good Lord.
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But now time, the older you get, the faster it goes, or so it seems.
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But the funny thing is it's exactly the same speed.
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It's just you got more going on, you got life, you got to pay your bills, you got to go to work, you got to do this, raise the kids, so on, whatever it might be, and uh, it's just, it's wild.
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Time is just crazy.
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So and I'm the type of person that I am working to live, not living to work.
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Yes, like I, I work monday through thursday, sometimes doubles depending on the day and what you got'm at.
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But my Friday, my Saturday, my Sunday, that is when I live.
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Yeah, correct, I agree.
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And people at work?
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Do you work weekends?
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No, that's my time.
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Yeah, no.
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I put in my dues.
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Yeah, we all I mean a lot of people have, and there's some people that are great and thrive at working on the weekends.
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For sure.
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They have their time, though still during the week whatever it might be.
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Yes, it's just a different set of days, correct, and that's fine, but no, I agree.
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When would we be able to do this?
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Like I've got to work tonight, all right, well, I guess we'll record next week, whatever it might be.
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But yeah, record next week.
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You know, whatever it might be, but yeah, same, I put in my dues.
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I uh, especially with the kids.
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Now I don't want to work weekends.
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No, you shouldn't with young kids?
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no, especially because they are very young.
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So I don't want to do that.
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I want to spend time with them and and do the things I want to do as well.
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Not just you know that, but just everything that involves being an adult and enjoying your life, not just worrying about work all the time.
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Yeah.
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