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oh, hey there, oh hey there, I'm kate and I'm bradley and we have beer we've got beer we've got lining, what lining first and foremost, kels, we're the History of Buffoons.
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Thanks for joining us.
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Hi, I'm a History Buffoon.
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Bradley's a History Buffoon.
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She's a buffoon, all right.
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And then we're drinking a lining Kugels Summer Shandy, which is very lemony and delicious.
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Do you know the history behind Shandy?
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No Like what a Shandy is technically no.
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The history behind shandy, like what a shandy is technically no.
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So I believe it was in.
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I could be getting my facts wrong, but whatever.
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Um, I believe it was in germany.
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There was this particular tavern keeper who there was like a bike race going through his town and because of that he was running out of beer and to make it last longer, he started mixing it with lemonade.
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Nice, and everybody started really liking it I hope that's real I believe it is.
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I mean, that's the story I was always told.
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I don't, I've, I have not done any research, but something along those lines.
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And then, um, yeah, it kind of was a thing.
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And then I don't remember what year it was 2006 to 8 or give or take.
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It's been out for a while summer.
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Shandy has, I guess.
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I don't recall what year it came out, but uh, my buddies and I, who used to work at a beer distributor, together we used to be called the shandy crew because we would just destroy like multiple, multiple barrels of shandy at this one particular bar.
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We'd like to go to Shout out to the Salty Toad in Waukesha, wisconsin.
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Nice.
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But yeah, it's a really good beer.
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It's my go-to summer beer because, it's very refreshing, very light, but very delicious.
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That's why I like to drink IPAs in the winter, because they're a little bit heavier, although I still sprinkle them in from time to time.
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Especially when I visit my dad, we drink my other favorite beer, which is Sierra Nevada Torpedo Tubes.
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No sorry.
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Torpedo IPA.
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Yeah, torpedo, sierra Nevada, torpedo, IPA.
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Yeah, torpedo, sierra Nevada, torpedo is delicious.
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If you don't know the reference Torpedo, listen to the Sullivan Brothers episode.
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Well, that's not what it's called but it's called Juno.
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about the Juno.
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Question mark Juno.
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About the Juno Wow, I like how we're already referencing previous podcast episodes.
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That is.
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That's pretty funny.
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I've got an interesting story for you.
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It better be.
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I think it's going to be really random.
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I think you're going to think it's really random.
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Okay.
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We're going to talk a little bit about a particular fortune teller.
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Fortune teller Uh-huh Like Zoltar from Big.
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I was actually going to reference that at one point, but I never did.
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That's awesome.
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I'm talking about a human being.
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Zoltar wasn't real.
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No, oh man.
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Although Tom Hanks thinks otherwise probably.
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Well, he made him big.
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But did you grow up with those like magic eight balls?
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yeah, yeah I am old, but you know I was I.
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I came out before those came out, kind of thing.
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You came out.
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Well, I mean yeah, hey, mom so if you don't know what the magic eight ball is, it's a toy that looks like a, a billiard cube.
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Eight ball, yeah cube nope, billiard ball wow um and it could.
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You would ask the ball a question, you would turn it over and there would be like a floaty dice, shake it, yeah, and it was usually like a triangle shaped yeah, yeah, die or die inside with the weird.
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What color liquid?
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I looked blue, I think it was blue, it was like really dark.
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I wasn't really black, no, it was kind of blue.
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Yeah, either way.
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But you would ask it questions like am I going to get a good grade in science class?
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And it would say ask again later I was gonna say not likely or not likely, yeah, or ask again later.
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It was a bit, it's a, it was a big kids thing.
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At least, yeah, for us, I guess yeah you were pretty rich if you had a magic eight.
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But I'm just kidding, I had a mr potato head myself do you, do you know how the first mr potato heads were made like what they were?
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I think I have known that once before, but you can refresh my memory so I don't really have, I don't really have much of one I know not to get like super sidetracked, but the original mr potato heads were just like you would buy.
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It would only come with like the eyes and ears and you use an actual potato.
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That's awesome, yeah, anyways um so, have you ever had like a tarot reading?
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I don't, I've.
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No, I know what it is, but no, I've never actually had an official tarot reading yeah, I've, I've had one once um what did it?
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and it was from.
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She was a kind of a newer and it was from.
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She was a kind of a newer acquaintance of mine and actually met her over covid which is random, um, but because meeting new people over lockdown seems counterproductive.
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But she, she knew exactly what she was talking about.
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She had been doing tarot cards for years and would do them on herself and everything.
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Of course I don't remember what was said about mine well done well jesus christ I know, but it's me well, hi, I'm the problem, it's me.
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9 25.
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Hi, I'm the problem can you please stop?
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It's a taylor swift know, I'm the problem.
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Are you a Swifty?
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No, but she is pretty fantastic, I mean, and she doesn't get into trouble.
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No, she is.
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I like Taylor Swift because she, as far as I know and I don't follow people, really but she doesn't get herself into trouble really no.
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And she's got a lot of young people that look up to her.
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Yeah, and she knows that.
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So I don't know.
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Well, good for her.
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And she's got some really good songs and some, you know, a little bit more tweeny sounding which I'm not as into, but she's got some really good ones.
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Do you know who she's dating Currently?
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into, but she's got some really good ones.
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Do you know who she's dating?
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Uh, a chiefs player.
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Yeah, good job.
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Only because the chiefs recently played the packers and she was all.
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Everybody was all up in roars because taylor swift is in green bay huzzah okay, anyway, back to the basics.
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All right, magic, eight ball, magic, eight ball.
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Tarot reading I don, you don't.
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Okay, so what exactly is fortune telling?
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I mean, it's the forecasting of a person's future by methods considered not rational.
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Well, I mean, if you go to someone who does tarot readings and be like this information I'm going to live by the rest of my life, you're pretty fucking special yeah, I mean I could understand like help using it to help you guide your way, but not solely based on that that's what it is is more or less.
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Yeah, go this path.
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Yeah, instead of that one okay, so you're gonna help me name a few different types of methods for fortune telling, and we already said magic, eight ball and we said tarot cards.
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We've got the um the very generic crystal ball.
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Well, I mean, it worked in wizard of.
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Oz Sure did.
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Saw Auntie M.
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Well he really didn't.
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He really didn't.
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He was a fraud Um it's a good story though.
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Although the wicked witch had a giant crystal ball.
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She sure did, and you know.
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Anyway anyways so then you've got like palm reading yeah, like reading the lines on your hand and all that stuff.
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Yeah, can you think of one?
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Oh fuck, I didn't know I was gonna be I told you you're gonna help me come up with them oh well, um no how about crystals?
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I mean crystals mean certain things to people to some people.
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Yes, to some people and there are pendulums like crystals on, like string or like a necklace chain.
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And then you've got phrenology which is like the bumps on your head yeah, I don't know.
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And then you've got reading tea leaves oh, like the saw the grim, yeah, and harry potter exactly, yeah tea leaves um astrology yeah, that's.
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That's a big horoscopes yeah, um, and ouija boards, ouija ouija, oh, I sound like a ninja.
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That's weird so basically everything not based on science so is a ouija board ouija board, whatever however you want to pronounce it, I always call it a ouija board.
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But yeah, I always called it, yeah, yeah is that really fortune telling, because you're asking it questions and it said it can spell out answers and you can answer yes or no questions.
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So yes, I would say that I mean, it all depends on which way the person who you're with pushes it.
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I mean, whoever thought that could actually like contact spirits is, I don't I don't know.
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I kind of want to believe that though why I?
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Don't know what's just like.
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I want to believe in ghosts and I want to believe in demonic supernatural.
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Yeah, I really want to believe it.
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I'm not saying that I'm on a thing.
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What demonic thing do you want to believe in, like you know, exorcist stuff?
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oh where you, where your head turns all around like Linda Blair's.
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Well no, because then you'd actually be dead.
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Yeah, because you'd snap your neck.
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Yeah, but I really want to believe in that stuff.
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Okay.
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But I've got more of a science mindset so it's kind of hard.
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However, spoiler alert, I do have pendulums and crystals and even runes.
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Runes yeah, they're like little rocks.
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I know what a rune is oh okay.
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Maybe the audience doesn't so tell them, they're little.
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Elle, do you know?
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There's little rocks with like symbols on it.
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I don't know.
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Roll it around like dice, I guess.
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Clearly I don't do it.
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Are we playing Dungeons and Dragons here?
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No, that'd be fun.
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We have wizards.
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But fortune telling was dated back as early as 4000 BCE, which is about 6,000 years ago.
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Yeah, math.
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In ancient Babylonia.
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Babylonia, yeah, in ancient.
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Babylonia.
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Babylonia.
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Yeah, so they used observation and record keeping to predict the future by studying celestial bodies like the sun and the moon and the stars.
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Okay, um, so they believe that they had their.
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The power was in um the omen.
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Power was in the sun and the moon the omen.
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Omens like the omen, like the movie omen like bad juju omen.
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Yeah, so, for example, they believe that a disappearing moon meant evil would befall the land, so like an eclipse wasn't it, um, when christopher columbus I think it was him founded the new world, even though he never landed in america or the united states as we know it?
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I think he, because they understood it and he like, used that to his advantage.
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I think it was Christopher Columbus.
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I could be getting people mixed up, I do that a lot, but he basically.
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I'm Kate and I'm Bradley 9-25.
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His birthday.
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Yeah, that's why.
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She forgets it's coming up Well soon.
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Anywho, I want to say it was him.
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I could again mixing up stories, but I think, like because they understood that and tracked it for way longer than the natives did over here this way, and uh, he like said if you don't do this, I'll make the sun disappear, because he knew an eclipse was coming.
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It was something like that.
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It it's a wild story.
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I've not heard that.
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It's yeah, and they're like, oh shit, we should probably listen to this guy.
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So there's, something called the Saros cycle and it's too you are Unfamiliar.
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Oh, it's 223 month lunar cycle, that occurs every 18 years, 23 month lunar cycle that occurs every 18 years, and after a complete cycle the earth moon and sun return to a similar configuration.
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Okay, and they use the saros cycle to predict eclipses, to warn rulers um in advance that it was coming to warn who rulers.
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Rulers like 12 inches, no, a yard maybe no like, like a king, yeah, okay, yeah, we got there we got there.
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It took a bit in ancient china they used oracle bones and also the eclipse um, so a scribe would carve a question onto a bone or a turtle shell, often the shoulder bone of a water buffalo.
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Everybody's got a water buffalo.
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Yours is best, of mine is slow.
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It's really funny that you say water buffalo, because I was listening to a podcast earlier today where the two people both talked about a water buffalo and because they both rode a water buffalo, they rode one.
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Yeah, it wasn't really ideal.
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No one of them got really injured.
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And yeah, the other one kind of got bucked off and almost got injured everybody's got a water buffalo I don't know it's veggie tails, veggie, tails, veggie can you stop?
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Yes, so okay.
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So the scribe would carve small pits on the other side of the bone and heat it up until it cracked, and the shape of the crack was believed to answer whatever question they posed.
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So, kings and professional diviners, Diviners.
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I think that's how you say it.
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I'm not 100% sure.
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Diviners yeah, I don't know, because I'm not 100% sure Diviners.
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Yeah, because it's like divination is part of that.
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But yeah, that's Harry Potter.
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So they used oracle bones to answer questions about the future, such as when it would rain, if a military campaign would be successful or if a pregnancy would result in a healthy child.
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Just get a magic eight ball, It'll be the same thing.
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I don't think they had magic eight balls back then.
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So the earliest oracle bones date back to at least 1600 BC and are considered the mark of the beginning of the written Chinese history.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, so the eclipses that the ancient Chinese believed in.
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The astronomers would study them as far back as 2600 bce because they were considered omens for the future of the empire and the emperor.
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So around 2300 bce, emperor zhang zhang kong had two astronomers beheaded for failing to predict an eclipse see, that's why I would not want that job, because, because you're going to be fucking wrong a lot.
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Yeah, and you got some weird tyrant dictators that are like you didn't guess this, right, fuck you, you're dead.
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You're dead.
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So no, thank you.
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So in the ancient Egyptians they reportedly used scatomancy.
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Is that from like like poop?
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Yes, Ew.
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Yes.
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Gross.
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They would predict the future by examining animal feces.
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Well, who doesn't?
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And they also considered the speed and the behavior of dung beetles, as well as the appearance of the dung the dung balls that they created when making predictions what I would like to know why that's so funny to you dung balls, dung balls.
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It's just a ball of shit and then the early druid cultures used descrying, which involved looking at a surface like water mirrors and crystal balls, to seek information about the future.
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Did you know, as soon as a mirror is made, it's already used and it's never new.
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Yeah, all right.
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Anyways.
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So I would like to tell you about a specific person.
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Oh shit, we're getting to a specific person.
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Yeah, shit, we're getting to a specific person, yeah.
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That was just the brief historical background, a little preamble to what we're getting into.
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Yeah, so I want to talk about Baba Venga.
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Baba Venga Baba.
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Venga, I feel like that's some kind of a percussion sound.
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Can you do a percussion on the microphone?
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I mean I could, but I don't want.
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To Fine, I have played percussion pretty much all my life.
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I know.
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That's why I asked you to do it.
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That was the table.
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So there is a book that I read and cannot find the name of it.
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It's called Baba Venga, the Controversial Life and Legacy of the Influential Bulgarian Mystic, and what I failed to write down was who wrote it.
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I would like to take this time and let you all know, elle, that we are not professional.
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We do this because we enjoy it and we want to learn something, even though Kate will forget it continue yeah, so um, that book was by, um, I think.
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Actually I don't think there was like an author listed um, it was weird it was like a it just came through the ether and it's like here's a book it will change your life it's.
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It says it's from charles river, but charles river editors was it like a collaboration, then maybe I don't know.
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That's probably why I didn't write about it, wow okay anyway, this is top-notch podcasting.
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It sure is.