History Buffoons Podcast, We Are Buffoons! Now on YouTube!
Sept. 3, 2024

Juneau about the Juneau?

Juneau about the Juneau?
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Season 1

Ever wondered why a simple beer run could turn into a history lesson? On History Buffoons, Kate and Bradley kick off their maiden voyage with a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and a heartfelt commitment to storytelling. Join us as we share our journey, filled with Kate's quirky memory lapses and Bradley's pride in his Wisconsin roots, while inviting you to laugh and learn with us.

We start our adventure with a spirited discussion about craft beer, featuring Bell's Brewery's Oberon Ale and Hazy Hearted IPA. Can these new brews live up to the legend of Two Hearted Ale? We share our thoughts, delving into Bell's fascinating history, from its Kalamazoo origins to its acquisition. Our chat takes a detour through some lighthearted Illinois-Wisconsin banter, adding a regional twist to our beer tasting experience.

The real heart of this episode is the poignant tale of the Sullivan brothers from Waterloo, Iowa. Serving together on the USS Juneau during World War II, their story is a mix of bravery and tragedy. We honor their memory, from their enlistment journey to the harrowing Battle of Guadalcanal, where only a few survived. Tying history with music, we reflect on Caroline Spine's song "Sullivan," providing a nostalgic nod to the 90s. Tune in for a blend of history, humor, and heartfelt tributes.

Resources:

Book:
Left to Die by Dan Kurzman
https://amzn.to/3WO4FZE

Article:
The Courier
https://wcfcourier.com/remembering-waterloos-five-sullivan-brothers/collection_bea071db-a154-52d6-b27a-32668935ac65.html#19

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Chapters

00:00 - Introducing the History Buffoons

09:20 - Craft Beer Chat

16:25 - The Sullivan Brothers Story

32:00 - The Brothers' Naval Enlistment

37:39 - The Sullivan Brothers' Enlistment Story

45:22 - Battle of Guadalcanal Naval Clash

58:12 - Survivors of the Sunken Juno

01:08:14 - Sullivan Brothers' Tragic Fate

01:21:30 - Caroline Spine's Song Tribute

Transcript
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Oh, hey there.

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Oh, hello Jesus, Literally every time, and I'm getting sick of saying literally every time, because I ain't no joke.

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This is our first episode, but we've practiced.

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We've done some research, we've drank some beers, we've made some pilot episodes.

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Maybe you'll hear them someday, god willing.

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We are the History Buffoons.

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Hello, welcome to our first episode.

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Yeah, huzzah.

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Well, I am Kate.

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And I am Bradley.

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And we are the Buffoons.

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History Buffoons, yeah.

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And why are we Buffoons?

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Because I don't know shit.

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That is accurate.

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I can attest to that About history.

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We know, I don't know shit, that is accurate.

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I can attest to that About history, we know.

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I don't think that's accurate.

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I know a little bit.

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We know a little bit about a lot, but not a lot about a little.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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I can understand that.

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We want to learn more about things that we do kind of know about and or that have interest, interested us over the years yeah, so we've literally been working on this podcast since january was january.

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Yeah, are you sure?

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yeah I, yeah, I had a client say in november of 23 that I would make a good podcaster and I thought about it for two months before I even brought it up to you.

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Oh, wow, yeah, we've literally been working on this I feel like I was lied to for two months um yeah, um yeah.

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So we've been, we've been making pilot episodes for you, so that a bunch can be sent off all at once for you, to kind of.

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Dive into and hopefully enjoy and walk along our weird trail of buffoonery.

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And I'm so excited to finally be here.

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Yeah, me too, because it's been a lot of fun trying to do some practice stuff just to kind of hone our skill and craft and whatnot.

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And we've done actually quite a, I think a few pretty cool stories already that we hope you'll enjoy.

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The listeners, or listener, I mean, I hope it's plural.

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I hope it's uh, hope it's.

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Thanks, Al Hi Al.

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We know he's going to listen.

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Only because I'm going to send it to him.

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How does this sound?

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I have a buddy named Al who listens to a lot of podcasts and I have sent him a couple just for his feedback, because we're trying to put out a good product for everybody that they can enjoy, hopefully, get to know us, laugh with us.

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A lot of it's at Kate but torpedo tubes.

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You'll understand that reference in the future.

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But yeah, we've been working on it and we've been having fun trying this and there's a.

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There's a lot that goes into it there is and um, it's hard to find the time to do it all the time because of, you know, normal day life and work and families and laziness and laziness and just naps.

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Oh hey, the brews are on oh, hey, we're from.

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Oh, we're from wisconsin yes, wisconsin, I am originally from wisconsin.

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I lived here my whole life.

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Kate is a transplant through a couple different states nebraska, where she was born, and illinois for a while, and then made it up towards wisconsin.

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Um, how many years ago, how many years have you been?

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Six, I think that's what you told me that doesn't mean I actually know.

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Excuse me, that was just a guesstimate, because I don't, I don't know she doesn't remember I don't remember.

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That's why it's good that we're doing these formats, because then she can listen back.

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I can listen back and she's like who are these people?

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This is a good podcast.

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Okay, so I have a really terrible memory.

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She really does.

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So, being able to listen back to research that I've done, research that I have written, and speaking it, I think all of that will really help me to remember history.

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Yeah, it certainly will.

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Yeah, and.

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I think a big part of it for you, especially because kate's our main uh researcher yeah, we'll call it that.

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So she does the majority of that, which you know is quite an undertaking for her, which I appreciate.

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I do a lot of the editing and all that, which is also quite an undertaking.

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So I hope she appreciates I do I do?

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I know you do, but um, uh, where was I going with this?

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Uh, yeah, so we, we try to get together once a week to record an episode.

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That's our goal, because we'd like to get to do one every week, but yeah, anyways, um, where was I going with this?

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I don't remember I don't know.

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We were transplant and oh yeah.

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So, um, we've known each other for a while now and we just both found out we kind of really like history and apparently it was kept in the dark for two months until she said let's do a podcast about history and I was like, oh, that's a great idea.

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If only I would have known this two months earlier.

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But, uh, but no, I I've always kind of been interested in doing something like this and just never really had a concrete idea of what to do.

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Yeah, and we know there's a lot of other podcasts out there, a lot of history ones and whatnot.

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We are by no means a formal, no research team.

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Uh, we like to learn what we can find.

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Obviously, if we ever say something that is not accurate, please, you know, send us an email, twit, twit us, tweet us, tweet us access?

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I don't know um, we'll have all that information for you at some point.

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But yeah, we, we like to learn from other people too.

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So like if we clearly if we get something wrong.

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We're just going off of what we find for research and so on.

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Uh, please let us know or if you have ideas that you would like to us to uh kind of look up and talk about, and so on?

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we'd love to hear that as well because we're always open to ideas for different topics because you know we k Kate really likes World War II history, obviously more than that, but that's her main I'd say main love of history is around there.

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Yeah, I like a lot of medieval times and you know stuff like that.

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You like Kings and Queens, I do.

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That's a song by 30 Seconds to Mars.

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There's so much kings and queens history it's really overwhelming because they all have the same names well, they were all I mean.

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A lot of them were related and well, yeah some intermarried to keep the bloodline pure and all that stuff a la you know, game of thrones kind of stuff.

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But um, you gotta also remember look how long that time frame was where it was kings and queens, I mean really up until what 1700s is, when I mean, obviously there's still some around today, but that the they don't.

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They're not the policymakers and such they have a parliament, or our government, or whatever it might be right.

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So yeah, there's a lot of that out there, but I like, I don't know, I like medieval stuff because we're not dead yet, but uh but well, obviously we won't pick from just those eras all the time we're gonna jump around yeah just to make it interesting.

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So it's not just the same thing every week after week.

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Yeah, now this we're going to talk about the second king of 1403.

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And we like to focus a little bit more on the people as opposed to the event.

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We like to find events that have a specific person that's involved and was a big part of said event, even though there might have been a lot of people involved.

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We try and pick one person overall that we more or or less focus on, or maybe a handful of people.

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It depends on what the what the event is, obviously.

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But yeah, we like to uh, focus more on that and see why they made a difference within that event or whatnot.

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So yeah, yeah, so I'm so excited to do this.

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Yeah, me too.

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So hope you all enjoy.

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Yeah and yeah, here we go.

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Hello, oh, hey, oh, hey there, wow, I'd like to think we're going to get better at this intro, but I don't know if I have the cut.

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Whoa, I think Kate might be dying.

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I'm Kate and I'm Bradley.

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Hello, you, okay, there'm Bradley, hello.

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Oh.

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You okay there?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Just the oh, hey, there, it was just so funny.

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Still gets, you, doesn't it?

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Oh my gosh.

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Oh dear.

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Okay.

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So Bradley had a good idea and we went to the liquor store.

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We did go to the liquor store.

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It's always a good idea and we went to the liquor store.

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We did go to the liquor store, Going to the liquor store is always a good idea.

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Well, I mean yeah, to each their own.

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We picked up a couple beers to try.

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While we podcast today.

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Yeah, and we chose Bell's.

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Bell's Brewery out of Michigan.

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Comstock, Michigan.

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Originally from Kalamazoo.

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So I got the Oberon Ale.

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You sure did.

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It's their summer beer.

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Yeah, the American Wheat, ale yeah, so I'm going to try that.

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And what do you have?

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I have a Hazy Hearted IPA, so it's their a play off their Two Hearted but more hazy hearted IPA.

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So it's their a play off their two hearted but more hazy.

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Yeah, there it is.

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That was a sound effects folks.

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It's real life.

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Cheers.

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Prost.

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Wow, mmm, I like.

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It's definitely a little smoother than the two hearted, which isn't a bad thing, I'm just saying is it three hearted maybe one and a half, anyways so how is your beer?

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It's good, I like it.

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I don't know if I would buy this over two hearted if I was going for a bells again.

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But I'm not saying it's bad, I like it.

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I don't know if I would buy this over Two.

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Hearted if I was going for a Bell's again.

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But I'm not saying it's bad.

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Yeah, I enjoy it.

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It's not as hazy as some of the other ones out there are, and by hazy it's usually like a, I guess, a little more citrusy, juicy kind of flavor to it.

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This one's citrusy.

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Yeah yeah, that's their summer beer.

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They sell a boatload of that.

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They usually have like a kickoff in roughly march.

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Um, we're like in comstock no, just for, like, the distributors selling it.

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They usually have like, oh, it's called oberon day.

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It's like the first day that we can actually or not, I say say we, you can actually send out Oberon to the stores and whatnot.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I mean, they've been around for over 40 years out of Michigan.

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That's why I thought it was funny when they moved to Comstock, because I always knew they were from Kalamazoo, and then all of a sudden their stuff started saying Comstock.

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I'm like, wait, they move.

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Yeah, they just they have both.

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They built another facility or something in comstock.

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I believe is what it is.

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But I did find out.

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Actually I did want to say this because I didn't know about this I've.

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So, side note, I used to sell beer for a long time and I did sell Bell's products and I never knew this about Oberon.

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In 1998, bell's had to change the name of Oberon from Soul Sun S-O-L-S-U-N kind of like, because soul is sun and oh dear Hi kitty.

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She jumped on the table and I reacted.

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So I had to show the viewers why I reacted.

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Anyways so a Mexican brewery had a beer of a similar-ish name, even though it wasn't called Salson, but they had to change their name, so they changed it to Oberon.

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Oberon.

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Yeah, they had to change her name, so they changed it to Oberon Oberon.

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Yeah, I think Oberon is a city in Ohio, like a Cleveland suburb.

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Oh, look at that I think.

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Go Ohio, Drew Carey.

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Throwback.

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Well, you know, cleveland rocks, or so they say in the song.

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Do you know what doesn't rock?

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You.

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Thanks for bringing that up.

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Yeah, I haven't played my drums in years, so Way to open that wound.

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Do you know what rocks I can I can catch on?

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I said do you know what doesn't can I can, I can catch on.

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I said do you know what doesn't rock?

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Oh, doesn't rock okay and you said me, and then you said I do know what rocks.

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I have rocks, but in your brain there's a Himalayan stone rock next to you.

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I feel more calm it's not on, but oh I, I blew out the light, not like.

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I'm like it's not a fucking candle.

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I burned out the light.

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I feel like we're in a song right now, and the Himalayan salt lamp went dim.

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No, anyways, I'm not going to finish what I was going to say.

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He told me I need to stop, so I'll stop.

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What doesn't rock besides me?

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Illinois.

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Illinois.

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We have.

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Illinois friends.

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You have Illinois friends.

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They're more of acquaintances if I've met any of them, so You're going to have Illinois friends after this are you trying to torture me?

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nice people.

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I didn't say they weren't nice people.

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Like I stated in another episode that has either come out or has yet to come out that Illinois you can find good people, illinois still just sucks.

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I mean, there's Wisconsin's way better and there's still shitty people here.

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I do like Wisconsin.

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I do too.

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It's nice.

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Yeah.

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That's why Illinois is always beneath us and they have, and they have a good beer.

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We do.

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We have a lot of good beer.

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Okay, so do you know where the Bells like, how far out they distribute, because obviously they're in Michigan.

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They're nationwide, yeah, so they're everywhere.

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And actually I think it was early last year they sold.

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So the guy I forget his first name, larry bell, that's it, larry bell um sold his, his, uh, basically a stock in the company to, uh, I think, a chinese brewery or something, but uh, it's the same company that also owns um new belgium which does fatire.

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Used to be like their flagship beer, but now they do the Voodoo Ranger series, which is very hop forward, so they do a lot of IPAs and variations off of that and so on.

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But they're the parent company of both of those breweries now, and New.

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Belgium is out of Fort Collins Colorado.

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My brother's family lives there.

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Yeah, you had told me that.

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And then of course, Bell's is still in Michigan, so they're all under the same umbrella now.

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Yeah, so a lot of distributors who distributed one and not the other now distribute both, and some lost it obviously to go to other ones, whatever.

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But yeah, they're all one big happy family now.

00:16:25.168 --> 00:16:28.649
Nice, yeah, but I'm pretty positive they're nationwide.

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I don't know if they export it all that I don't know, but yeah, I used to sell a lot of Bell's beer.

00:16:36.049 --> 00:16:36.672
It's good stuff.

00:16:36.851 --> 00:16:41.330
Yeah, I'm pretty set in my ways with Modelo or a new Glarus.

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Glarus, but yeah.

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Well.

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Glarus, glarus, glarus, but yeah.

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Glarus.

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It's okay, I can't pronounce you Claire.

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Auclair, eau Claire, I don't know how you pronounce it, but I know how to spell it.

00:16:53.385 --> 00:16:54.168
It's Eau Claire.

00:16:54.469 --> 00:16:57.388
Okay, oh, maybe I can remember it that way.

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I hope you don't.

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I have a friend named Claire.

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Should I just be like Eau Claire, Eau Claire.

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I have a friend named Claire.

00:17:05.205 --> 00:17:05.307
Should I?

00:17:05.307 --> 00:17:13.153
Just be like oh Claire, oh Claire, and I'm like the friend, not the city.

00:17:13.540 --> 00:17:14.522
You know what else rocks?

00:17:15.265 --> 00:17:15.685
Cleveland.

00:17:15.685 --> 00:17:16.669
Wait, we already went over that.

00:17:16.669 --> 00:17:16.909
What?

00:17:17.411 --> 00:17:18.172
There's a song.

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Yeah, so.

00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:21.025
There's a song.

00:17:21.646 --> 00:17:31.932
Today's Today's story Slash, podcast, slash, whatever we want to call it comes to you from my idea because of a couple reasons.

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Kate is a big fan of World War II history.

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I also am, but Kate is probably a ton more than I am.

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Anywho, oh dear, what year did it come out?

00:17:46.224 --> 00:17:48.227
97, I want to say.

00:17:49.007 --> 00:17:54.153
That was a question I had for you, oh did I step on some toes?

00:17:54.153 --> 00:17:56.134
No, what year did it come out?

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But I don't have it written down because I apparently forgot.

00:18:01.189 --> 00:18:12.490
Well let me look it up while you talk about the song All right, so back in my high school days, in my formative years in the 90s so you're wrong on the year I am.

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Is it 95?

00:18:13.791 --> 00:18:14.894
It's 95, yeah.

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The more I thought about it, I'm like, no, it's another song by this particular.

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So I really got into them and they have this song called Sullivan, which is the topic of our conversation today.

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The name of the band is Caroline Spine, which I love their name and, yeah, so their album Monsoon, which came out in 95, my favorite album of theirs has a song on it and it's about well, I don't want to give anything away, I guess, but do you have any?

00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:14.301
But I mean.

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So.

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The topic today is based off of this song.

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Correct.

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We picked this topic because of the love of my song and Kate's love of World War II, history, the era yeah.

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So cheers to that.

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Cheers, yay Our bells.

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The bells are ringing.

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Oh, look at that, I see what you did there.

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I wish you wouldn't have, but I see what you did.

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Okay, so yeah, so this is based off of the five Sullivan brothers.

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Yes, let me clear my throat.

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I'm going to edit that out and go.

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So Father, tom Father.

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Tom.

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Tom, oh Tom, because it sounded like you said Tom, I'm like.

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Is he the creator of Tums?

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I know.

00:20:07.910 --> 00:20:10.528
Nope, that would be pretty fucking fantastic.

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Father Tom was born in 1883.

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Oh damn.

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And Mother Alita.

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Alita, mm-hmm.

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Nice, was born in 1895.

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And they are from Waterloo, iowa.

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I know because they're running to the tower of Waterloo waiting for the train to come.

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Anyways.

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Those are song lyrics.

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I might reference a few that I remember off the top of my head.

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Okay, so, like I said, there were five brothers.

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The oldest is jar, nope, george, thomas, george.

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George hey, have you seen George today?

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No, he's down in the barn.

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George supper, oh my word, that was fantastic.

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I think I actually got Kate to tear up on the podcast here Supper.

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Supper they rang their bells, I know.

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Oh man, this is a fucking train wreck and it's awesome, like maybe they were speaking of train wreck they're running to the tower of water we're gonna keep going waiting for the sullivan train to come oh my goodness, okay, so george.

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George thomas sullivan was born december 14th 1914 so he was he was the oldest.

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And then there was francis henry sullivan, who went by frank.

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Okay, he was born february 18th 1916 okay and then there was joseph eugene sullivan, who went by red.

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Can you imagine why?

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He had red hair, yeah weird he was born in August, on August 28th 1918.

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Okay.

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And then Madison Abel Sullivan went by Matt Madison into Matt.

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I've not heard that before.

00:22:13.948 --> 00:22:14.570
I haven't either.

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He was born November 8th 1919.

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Okay.

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And then Albert Leo Sullivan, who went by.

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Al was born July 8th 1922.

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So from 1915 to 22?

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14 to 22.

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14 to 22.

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So all five brothers were born in eight years.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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And also the fact that Alita was 20 when she had her first kid.

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Maybe possibly 19.

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They actually had a daughter as well.

00:22:41.084 --> 00:22:41.404
They did.

00:22:41.404 --> 00:22:44.332
Oh yeah, I knew that actually, I'll get to that.

00:22:44.332 --> 00:22:48.741
She was the third born.

00:22:48.741 --> 00:22:50.746
Okay, so it was the two oldest brothers.

00:22:50.746 --> 00:22:52.528
What was her name?

00:22:52.950 --> 00:22:56.240
jen, genevieve, genevieve, she went by jen and then.

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So it was the two oldest, genevieve, and then the three other boys.

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Yes, gotcha so six.

00:23:00.425 --> 00:23:01.686
Gotcha so six total kids.

00:23:01.686 --> 00:23:03.710
Yes, Okay.

00:23:03.809 --> 00:23:12.019
So growing up they actually had kind of a difficult home life.

00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:35.733
Okay, I mean, what we think of difficult these days are probably not as difficult back then, but to be sure, Well, yeah, I mean you got to think of the time that they're growing up, you know, in the very early 1800s, because 22, you already had an eight-year-old brother, yeah, or seven.

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So Father Tom.

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He's not a priest.

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I know I'm like Father comma Tom.

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Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned.

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I have not read this story fully through.

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He was actually a pretty quiet man and he was considered a drunk in the town.

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Oh, he was the town drunkard.

00:23:57.326 --> 00:24:01.190
Well, I don't know if he was the town drunk, but they knew he was a drunk.

00:24:01.190 --> 00:24:01.852
Oh, fair enough.

00:24:01.852 --> 00:24:05.208
So he actually worked on the railroad in Waterloo.

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All the live long day.

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All the live long day, and he had a coworker named Abel, abel, and Abel had a daughter named Alita.

00:24:13.945 --> 00:24:15.088
Oh.

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That's how they met.

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Oh, they met through coworkers.

00:24:19.364 --> 00:24:19.945
Oh.

00:24:20.267 --> 00:24:21.371
Yeah, well, look at that.

00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:22.825
And then Abel died.

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Oh, you want to know how, cain?

00:24:27.604 --> 00:24:33.011
No, do I have my stories mixed up here?

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Cain and Abel, you get the reference right?

00:24:40.191 --> 00:24:41.602
Yes, of course Okay.

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I don't know, just make sure.

00:24:44.859 --> 00:24:46.627
No, I think I got a Bible somewhere around here.

00:24:47.300 --> 00:24:53.105
I got my grandma's Bible Anyway.

00:24:53.105 --> 00:24:54.748
So, side note, my grandma died 16 years ago.

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It's like the one thing I have from her.

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She didn't have a lot A Bible.

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It makes sense.

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Even though I'm not really just folk, I got her Bible.

00:25:03.006 --> 00:25:08.653
So Abel Alita's father died when a train ran over him.

00:25:08.953 --> 00:25:15.030
That would do it A la fried green tomatoes, but they didn't die.

00:25:16.701 --> 00:25:18.084
Didn't he just lose an arm?

00:25:18.104 --> 00:25:19.226
No, which one died.

00:25:19.566 --> 00:25:22.711
Not Jerry O'Connell, who's the kid?

00:25:22.711 --> 00:25:24.614
And he's at the very beginning.

00:25:24.874 --> 00:25:25.694
Jerry O'Connell.

00:25:25.694 --> 00:25:27.101
No it's not.

00:25:27.101 --> 00:25:27.784
Are we watching?

00:25:27.784 --> 00:25:29.809
Stand by Me all of a sudden, or Fried Green Tomatoes.

00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.126
It's Fried Green Tomatoes, but what's Chris O'Donnell?

00:25:32.126 --> 00:25:35.426
Yes, yes, see, I knew it was an O'Donnell.

00:25:35.426 --> 00:25:38.446
Chris O'Donnell died because a train ran over him.

00:25:39.671 --> 00:25:42.721
Oh yeah, it's been a bit All right okay.

00:25:42.721 --> 00:25:48.346
And then Mary Louise Parker, yeah she got all sad Rough and tumble.

00:25:48.645 --> 00:25:50.748
Mary Stewart.

00:25:50.788 --> 00:25:51.268
Masterson.

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Yep, that's the one.

00:25:52.088 --> 00:25:54.590
Yes, okay.

00:25:54.611 --> 00:25:55.531
We're going on a tangent.

00:25:55.592 --> 00:26:00.935
Let's reign her in, Okay so Abel died when a train rained over him.

00:26:01.115 --> 00:26:02.196
Which is Alita's father.

00:26:02.436 --> 00:26:13.125
Yes, okay, train ran over him, which is alita's father.

00:26:13.125 --> 00:26:16.773
Yes, okay, so alita's mother may mourned enough that she moved in with tom and alita.

00:26:16.773 --> 00:26:31.191
Okay, and there are six kids wow okay, okay, big, big, it's all full house, right, but the mother, the mother was mourning so much that she like felt like she had to keep busy, um, so she literally did all the chores, the chores in the Sullivan house.

00:26:31.191 --> 00:26:31.873
That's kind of nice.

00:26:31.873 --> 00:26:40.079
And the mother didn't, alita didn't oh gotcha so Alita went through bouts of depression.

00:26:40.560 --> 00:26:45.813
Sure, um, she would have like huge bouts that she would actually stay in bed all day.

00:26:45.813 --> 00:26:54.230
When she wasn't laying in bed, she would be sitting on her porch swing on the porch, oh, and she would be watching the Sullivan brothers play.

00:26:54.230 --> 00:26:58.325
But she would rarely like get up and do anything Like interact and do stuff.

00:26:58.325 --> 00:27:00.647
Her mother, Mae, was literally doing everything.

00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.384
So she didn't have to, so she kind of just got complacent.

00:27:03.444 --> 00:27:12.602
Yeah, and Father Tom bless his soul was either working or drunk.

00:27:12.602 --> 00:27:17.204
Well, I mean, at least he did two things, yeah, so technically both parents were considered like hands-off type parents.

00:27:17.365 --> 00:27:18.469
Of the kids okay.

00:27:18.509 --> 00:27:27.790
Yeah, so come teenage years, all five brothers actually left school around age 16.

00:27:27.790 --> 00:27:35.640
So like barely junior high school, and by this time we're in the Great Depression, the 1930s.

00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:40.160
So they quit school so they could get jobs, makes sense.

00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:54.951
They were both underaged and unemployed and they ended up drinking with their father, weird Apparently a couple times they drank all of his moonshine and he got pretty pissed.

00:27:55.172 --> 00:27:57.855
Well, I mean, if you're a drunkard, you would get pretty pissed about that.

00:27:57.875 --> 00:27:58.096
Yeah.

00:27:58.096 --> 00:28:04.205
So Let me just kind of tell you briefly about each son.

00:28:04.205 --> 00:28:05.847
So the first one was George, right?

00:28:05.847 --> 00:28:06.188
Yep.

00:28:06.188 --> 00:28:13.876
So he actually loved that his father was a train engineer and he wanted to be a train engineer himself.

00:28:13.876 --> 00:28:16.989
Okay, what.

00:28:16.989 --> 00:28:25.359
That's Amos, and he's very hungry and he will let you know.

00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:30.886
So he actually grew up wanting to pull the train whistle.

00:28:30.907 --> 00:28:35.259
Okay, did you ever like do that with semis, like drive by semis, yeah yeah, as a kid you're like fuck, yeah they actually did it.

00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:36.781
Yeah, that was great.

00:28:36.781 --> 00:28:38.222
Do people do that anymore?

00:28:38.564 --> 00:28:41.707
I'm sure let us know I don't call in.

00:28:41.707 --> 00:28:43.750
Wait the lines are open.

00:28:43.750 --> 00:28:46.653
No, no, just email us, just email us.

00:28:46.653 --> 00:28:48.414
Yeah, that will be at the end.

00:28:48.414 --> 00:28:49.036
You can do that then.

00:28:50.099 --> 00:28:53.470
Um, so George was actually considered to be the most moody of the brothers.

00:28:53.470 --> 00:29:04.126
Um, he was never smiling in photos and, being the oldest, he probably took care of his younger brothers and sister quite a bit, especially if dad's a drunkard.

00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:05.954
Yeah, younger brothers and sister quite a bit, especially if dad's a drunkard.

00:29:05.954 --> 00:29:06.760
Yeah, so he didn't talk too much.

00:29:06.760 --> 00:29:08.805
Um, similarly to his father.

00:29:08.805 --> 00:29:10.008
Okay, there was a.

00:29:10.008 --> 00:29:19.911
There was a time on the railroad where he was supposed to be on call and he was waiting around, waiting around, waiting around and finally he left because there was a dance he wanted to go to.

00:29:19.931 --> 00:29:25.568
Oh, scandalous, and he ended up getting fired over it well, that will do it, because you weren't supposed to leave.

00:29:25.568 --> 00:29:26.471
You're on call.

00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.306
So, whoops.

00:29:28.306 --> 00:29:33.471
Second brother, Frank, left the railroad with George.

00:29:34.212 --> 00:29:36.880
To go to this dance Out of solidarity, no, just out of solidarity.

00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.000
Oh, so he left because he got fired, so he's like fuck it, I'm out.

00:29:40.080 --> 00:29:42.144
Out of solidarity yeah, Standing with my brother.

00:29:42.144 --> 00:29:44.365
So Frank was a boxer.

00:29:44.365 --> 00:29:50.212
He actually didn't mind his job on the railroad, but he left because George got fired.

00:29:50.393 --> 00:29:50.953
No, I get it.

00:29:50.953 --> 00:29:53.056
I mean, he's standing up with his brother.

00:29:54.461 --> 00:29:58.517
I get it, but in 1937, both George and Frank joined the Navy.

00:29:58.517 --> 00:30:04.050
Okay, and they served together on the USS Hovey for four years Hovey.

00:30:06.517 --> 00:30:06.738
Okay.

00:30:06.738 --> 00:30:12.307
So the 37 to 41, they were on it, yes, four years.

00:30:12.347 --> 00:30:15.012
Okay, yeah, so the war had already started, but we weren't part of it yet.

00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:22.681
Yes, gotcha.

00:30:22.681 --> 00:30:24.244
So the remaining sons and daughter, jen.

00:30:24.244 --> 00:30:27.994
So Red, matt, al and Jen, they all got a job at Raths, r-a-t-h-s Raths, which was a meatpacking plant.

00:30:27.994 --> 00:30:29.867
It was like the biggest employer at the time.

00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.008
Sure in their town, in Waterloo, yeah.

00:30:32.259 --> 00:30:39.230
John Deere, I think, was up and coming and eventually they became the biggest employer, but for these times.

00:30:39.230 --> 00:30:43.103
Raths was a big employer For the late 30s yeah, yeah.

00:30:43.103 --> 00:30:48.826
And I found somewhere I don't know how accurate it is they earned 65 cents an hour.

00:30:49.469 --> 00:30:52.986
Wow, so does that mean, did the daughter work there too?

00:30:53.145 --> 00:30:53.969
The daughter worked there too.

00:30:53.969 --> 00:30:54.770
Wow yeah.

00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:56.644
So she only made 40 cents an hour.

00:30:56.644 --> 00:30:58.851
Oh, sorry, topical.

00:31:01.060 --> 00:31:04.892
You're probably not wrong, anyways.

00:31:04.892 --> 00:31:08.201
So moving on to red, who was, uh, joseph?

00:31:08.201 --> 00:31:12.271
Red actually really hated the day to day.

00:31:12.271 --> 00:31:14.585
He hated the daily grind, he hated going to work.

00:31:14.585 --> 00:31:16.324
Sounds like a lot of us.

00:31:16.324 --> 00:31:17.688
Well, I mean yeah.

00:31:17.688 --> 00:31:23.031
Um, but he was considered like the best looking out of all the brothers and he.

00:31:23.031 --> 00:31:30.067
He made that his advantage and he became pretty popular in Waterloo, okay, and he ended up buying a motorcycle.

00:31:30.621 --> 00:31:31.946
Oh, look at him, go yeah.

00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:38.525
And people would gather around Red and like admire his bike and he felt pretty good about that.

00:31:38.665 --> 00:31:39.347
I'm sure he did.

00:31:40.059 --> 00:31:42.837
But to terrorize the family neighborhood.

00:31:42.837 --> 00:31:48.270
However, he would roar his motorcycle up and down the street on Sundays before church.

00:31:48.270 --> 00:31:54.170
Oh dear, he's the type of person that didn't take shit from anybody.

00:31:54.661 --> 00:31:55.587
And he would dish it out.

00:31:55.587 --> 00:31:57.099
Yeah, yeah, okay.

00:31:57.740 --> 00:31:59.709
But he was also considered the lonely one.

00:31:59.709 --> 00:32:07.433
George and Frank, who were the oldest, were close in age, and the younger two, matt and Al, were fairly close.

00:32:07.433 --> 00:32:12.111
So Matt was Madison.

00:32:12.111 --> 00:32:15.710
Matt resembled George, the oldest brother, quite a bit.

00:32:15.710 --> 00:32:19.912
He was also very quiet and subdued, but he was very motivated.

00:32:19.912 --> 00:32:30.670
He found the meat packing job pretty easy and he wanted to go back to high school eventually and actually get a higher paying administrative job.

00:32:30.670 --> 00:32:31.813
Sure, so he had.

00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:35.307
he had his sights set on aspirations for a better life.

00:32:35.307 --> 00:32:36.349
Good for him, yeah.

00:32:37.712 --> 00:32:41.096
Al the youngest was actually the first of the brothers to marry.

00:32:41.739 --> 00:32:41.920
Okay.

00:32:42.260 --> 00:32:44.127
And he ended up having a son named Jimmy.

00:32:44.548 --> 00:32:45.141
Oh, hey, jimmy.

00:32:45.161 --> 00:33:03.125
Yeahmy, yeah, um his wife, and I don't recall what her name was um, but she was considered to be on the elite side of the track, so to speak, yeah nice good for her al was very outgoing and because he was the baby of the family, he used that to get his way makes sense, sense yeah.

00:33:03.125 --> 00:33:05.628
But he actually liked his work at Raths.

00:33:05.930 --> 00:33:06.730
Well, fair enough.

00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:08.894
Yeah, raths Meatpacking yeah.

00:33:09.220 --> 00:33:14.887
So when George and Frank came back from the Navy in 1941, they too started employment at Raths.

00:33:14.907 --> 00:33:18.288
Okay, so it was a big whole family thing, Family affair, yeah All right.

00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:30.146
So, having been discharged in the Navy, something so having been discharged in the Navy.

00:33:30.166 --> 00:33:32.556
Something happened on December 6, 1941.

00:33:32.596 --> 00:33:33.578
The day before Pearl Harbor.

00:33:33.578 --> 00:33:40.365
Damn it, december 7, 1941.

00:33:40.384 --> 00:33:42.146
I'm like what happened the day before Pearl Harbor.

00:33:42.146 --> 00:33:44.848
That's amazing, I never knew.

00:33:46.069 --> 00:33:50.673
I don't think Ben Affleck was back yet the day before.

00:33:50.673 --> 00:33:53.977
I think it was that morning of that he came back from the dead.

00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.748
So, Jesus.

00:34:00.748 --> 00:34:02.290
Christ, I was so close.

00:34:02.290 --> 00:34:04.094
How did you get that wrong?

00:34:04.094 --> 00:34:07.025
I don't, it's not written down.

00:34:07.025 --> 00:34:08.349
Oh, that was off the top of your head.

00:34:08.349 --> 00:34:11.588
Yeah, that's awesome.

00:34:11.588 --> 00:34:15.181
I don't do numbers or dates.

00:34:15.181 --> 00:34:16.945
What was the daughter's name again?

00:34:16.945 --> 00:34:17.867
Jen, jen.

00:34:17.867 --> 00:34:19.148
Okay, continue.

00:34:19.148 --> 00:34:21.653
So what happened the day before Pearl Harbor?

00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:24.043
Nothing.

00:34:24.083 --> 00:34:25.065
It was calm and quiet.

00:34:25.065 --> 00:34:27.753
And then December 7th rolled around.

00:34:27.793 --> 00:34:28.775
And that was a Sunday.

00:34:29.016 --> 00:34:30.860
It was, and it was very early in the morning, wasn't it?

00:34:31.521 --> 00:34:38.474
Yes, so Jen actually had dated a guy named William Ball who was in Pearl Harbor.

00:34:39.460 --> 00:34:42.929
He was, and that is part of the catalyst for what we're talking about.

00:34:43.269 --> 00:34:43.771
It was.

00:34:43.771 --> 00:34:47.811
Yes, do you know what ship Mr Bill Ball was on?

00:34:47.811 --> 00:34:49.143
He wasn't on the Arizona, was he?

00:34:49.143 --> 00:34:50.706
He was on the Arizona, Was he?

00:34:50.706 --> 00:34:51.148
Oh shit.

00:34:51.650 --> 00:34:55.634
All right, yeah, I was standing over his grave many many years ago.

00:34:55.634 --> 00:35:01.909
I've been to Pearl Harbor, yes, once I was 17.

00:35:01.909 --> 00:35:06.202
I didn't know you went to Hawaii, I guess I never told you that.

00:35:06.224 --> 00:35:06.826
I'm sorry, rude.

00:35:06.826 --> 00:35:21.726
My parents took my brothers and I to Hawaii in 97, I want to say it was yeah, it was lovely and one of the day trips we kind of did.

00:35:21.726 --> 00:35:28.568
We stayed, I think, mostly in Maui, but we were on the big Island first, uh, which is where Pearl Harbor is, if I'm not mistaken.

00:35:28.568 --> 00:35:32.385
Hopefully I'm not getting my islands mixed up, um, but anyway.

00:35:32.385 --> 00:35:38.806
So one of the day trips we did when we were there, we went to the Pearl Harbor and saw the USS Arizona Memorial and everything.

00:35:38.967 --> 00:35:39.728
It was super cool.

00:35:40.610 --> 00:35:42.132
Um, I would love to go back there someday.

00:35:42.132 --> 00:35:43.817
I know Sarah, my wife uh, would love to go back there someday.

00:35:43.817 --> 00:35:46.001
I know sarah, my wife uh, would love to go back to hawaii someday.

00:35:46.001 --> 00:35:47.409
Her parents go there a lot.

00:35:47.409 --> 00:35:52.228
Actually I don't know if I don't think they've been there in a bit, but they used to take trips there all the time.

00:35:52.228 --> 00:36:02.152
Um, so I'll be in the suitcase sure, okay, great yeah I might have to pay extra for that one to get boarded, though probably.

00:36:02.632 --> 00:36:05.641
Well, why don't you explain what the what the uss arizona was?

00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:11.632
briefly, well, it's pretty much the most famous ship that was attacked in pearl harbor.

00:36:11.632 --> 00:36:15.666
Lots of ships were sunk there, uh, but that was the the main one.

00:36:15.666 --> 00:36:25.974
That was, like, I guess, the most notable that people talk about, even still today, at least when I've ever talked about Pearl Harbor, because a lot of people got trapped in there.

00:36:26.300 --> 00:36:47.733
A lot of people died when it sank and everything you know, and I think I could be wrong on this, but like it's still like leaking oil to this day out of it or some something like that it's like almost kind of creepy and ominous, but yeah, I think it's just the most notable ship that you ever hear, and then that's, I think, why that one main one has a memorial and they kept it down.

00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:49.644
They kept it underneath the water.

00:36:49.644 --> 00:36:50.347
They never raised it.

00:36:50.407 --> 00:36:57.530
It's still there, like the memorial, like you're like standing over the USS Arizona when you, when you're on the memorial.

00:36:58.030 --> 00:36:58.913
Wow, that's so eerie.

00:36:59.253 --> 00:37:09.521
Yeah, it's, you know, to think of all the people that that died, you know in that fricking ship because of what happened, Um, but yeah, I think.

00:37:09.521 --> 00:37:12.050
At least to me it's the most notable ship.

00:37:12.050 --> 00:37:15.786
I couldn't name one other ship off the top of my head, so I'm glad I got it right.

00:37:18.141 --> 00:37:36.291
So, um, bill Ball was actually kind of considered their sixth brother, like because they were so close Right and, yes, his death and actually his brother was there as well, but he was just injured Okay, that was the catalyst for them to enlist in the Navy.

00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:39.541
Yeah, that's what?

00:37:39.541 --> 00:37:48.567
Because out of like, hey, these fuckers attacked us and because of their sister, yeah, With her relationship to Bill Ball, said we're going to go.

00:37:48.567 --> 00:37:48.967
Yep.

00:37:48.967 --> 00:37:50.420
That's why they all joined up.

00:37:52.936 --> 00:37:55.945
The Navy actually told Al to stay behind.

00:37:56.646 --> 00:37:56.867
Why.

00:37:57.394 --> 00:37:59.503
Because he was a father and a husband.

00:38:00.356 --> 00:38:02.235
Oh, but he was so gung-ho.

00:38:02.235 --> 00:38:06.226
Well, I mean, look at all the people that lied about their age back in World.

00:38:06.226 --> 00:38:15.184
War II people that lied about their age back in world war ii, and I mean there was 14, 15 16 year olds trying to go fight war because of what was going on.

00:38:15.184 --> 00:38:16.766
You wouldn't see that today, though.

00:38:16.766 --> 00:38:23.606
I'll be like I need my safe space, but either way, well, anyway, the navy relented, well good.

00:38:23.606 --> 00:38:28.766
Well, clearly, yeah we wouldn't be talking about all five su five Sullivan brothers in this song if we didn't.

00:38:29.695 --> 00:38:34.045
But the Navy also had a policy where siblings could not serve on the same ship.

00:38:34.045 --> 00:38:43.731
Well, they fucked that up and the brothers told one of the Navy officers that if they couldn't be together then they would enlist voluntarily.

00:38:44.474 --> 00:38:44.815
Oh really.

00:38:45.054 --> 00:38:50.606
The officer was like no promises, but I'll see what I can do, sure, um?

00:38:50.606 --> 00:39:01.599
So after even that little promise of, I guess, no promise, um, george went back home and he wrote a persuasive letter to the secretary of the navy.

00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:08.579
Oh, wow, yeah that's impressive in the letter he highlighted his and frank's past service right, I kind of figured that.

00:39:09.161 --> 00:39:12.608
And the brothers' motto is essentially like we stick together.

00:39:12.608 --> 00:39:18.141
Oh, and that's awesome that they did yeah, and George's statement.

00:39:18.141 --> 00:39:20.788
He claimed that they would be an unbeatable team together.

00:39:20.788 --> 00:39:25.501
So, impressed by their dedication, they relented and let them all.

00:39:25.501 --> 00:39:27.681
The Secretary of the Navy granted their request.

00:39:27.681 --> 00:39:28.304
That's crazy.

00:39:28.454 --> 00:39:32.405
Because just think of that one guy, guy and we'll obviously get there.

00:39:32.405 --> 00:39:34.599
Didn't change his mind.

00:39:36.335 --> 00:39:41.123
So Al was told to stay behind, right Because of being a father and a husband.

00:39:41.123 --> 00:39:42.981
He too wrote some letters.

00:39:42.981 --> 00:39:45.621
Oh, I guess they were pretty nasty.

00:39:45.902 --> 00:39:46.282
Oh dear.

00:39:46.402 --> 00:39:51.505
Yeah, like I said, the Navy then broke and let him enlist as well.

00:39:51.505 --> 00:40:00.268
So their theory of letting them all engage on the same ship was that it would make a good recruiting story for the Navy.

00:40:00.789 --> 00:40:01.650
I can see that yeah.

00:40:02.295 --> 00:40:07.025
So after training, amos is angry.

00:40:07.025 --> 00:40:13.144
After training, they boarded the USS Juno.

00:40:13.144 --> 00:40:15.239
Yep, do you know what Juno is?

00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.378
Let's see what I did there.

00:40:17.378 --> 00:40:20.543
Juno, do you?

00:40:20.543 --> 00:40:22.909
I don't know Juno, juno.

00:40:23.436 --> 00:40:24.159
What about Juno?

00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.103
What are you trying to hint at?

00:40:26.103 --> 00:40:28.065
Because this is terrible.

00:40:28.065 --> 00:40:28.789
Are you trying to reference the?

00:40:28.789 --> 00:40:29.293
Because this is terrible.

00:40:29.293 --> 00:40:31.943
Are you trying to reference the Jaws speech?

00:40:31.943 --> 00:40:32.865
No.

00:40:32.865 --> 00:40:36.043
That's the Indianapolis Juno is the.

00:40:37.677 --> 00:40:38.561
Alaskan capital.

00:40:39.956 --> 00:40:40.784
Well, no shit.

00:40:40.784 --> 00:40:42.806
How was I supposed to get there from that?

00:40:42.806 --> 00:40:45.101
Did you know there's a Juno in Wisconsin too?

00:40:46.155 --> 00:40:47.300
Really, really.

00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:50.358
There's also an Oregon.

00:40:50.358 --> 00:40:55.193
Don't say it Oregon, don't say it.

00:40:56.757 --> 00:40:57.581
I'm from Wisconsin.

00:40:58.014 --> 00:41:02.224
Okay, so let's talk a little bit about the Juno Juno.

00:41:02.264 --> 00:41:03.146
About the Juno.

00:41:03.146 --> 00:41:07.621
Wow, this is where the podcast lost its one fucking listener.

00:41:07.621 --> 00:41:09.646
Thanks, Al Hi Al.

00:41:11.916 --> 00:41:16.005
So the USS Juno was an Atlanta-class light cruiser.

00:41:16.005 --> 00:41:16.467
Okay.

00:41:16.467 --> 00:41:25.568
There were eight of them in the Navy, and they were designed as fast scouting cruisers or flotilla leaders.

00:41:26.115 --> 00:41:27.000
Flotilla the hun.

00:41:27.074 --> 00:41:31.646
But they proved to be more effective as an anti-aircraft cruiser during.

00:41:31.646 --> 00:41:32.748
World War II Sure.

00:41:32.748 --> 00:41:37.445
So the Juno was commissioned in 1942.

00:41:37.445 --> 00:41:41.425
She was named after the capital of Alaska.

00:41:41.876 --> 00:41:45.860
You don't say Not some random town in Wisconsin.

00:41:45.860 --> 00:41:48.757
Jesus, did you know that?

00:41:48.757 --> 00:41:50.001
Did you know?

00:41:50.001 --> 00:41:51.065
Did you know?

00:41:51.065 --> 00:41:53.864
I want to blow my brains out right now.

00:41:54.556 --> 00:42:00.126
The Atlanta class cruisers were classified as light cruisers because of their size and their weaponry.

00:42:00.126 --> 00:42:08.028
They were armed with five twin five-inch rapid-fire gun mounts.

00:42:11.097 --> 00:42:11.800
That's a lot.

00:42:12.655 --> 00:42:16.626
Eight single 40 millimeter anti-aircraft guns.

00:42:16.626 --> 00:42:17.126
Okay.

00:42:17.126 --> 00:42:23.407
And four quadruple 1.1 inch anti-aircraft guns.

00:42:24.135 --> 00:42:25.221
That's a lot of words.

00:42:26.378 --> 00:42:28.644
They also carry torpedo tubes.

00:42:29.677 --> 00:42:31.003
Can you please do that again?

00:42:31.003 --> 00:42:36.585
Torpedo tubes I am going to use that as a soundbite for the rest of my life.

00:42:38.362 --> 00:42:39.188
Torpedo tubes.

00:42:39.188 --> 00:42:47.608
They carry torpedo tubes and the Juno was approximately 540 feet long.

00:42:48.315 --> 00:42:49.601
Yep, that sounds about right.

00:42:50.195 --> 00:42:50.436
She.

00:42:50.436 --> 00:43:00.710
You know, yeah, Juno, juno, that she succeeded 6,800 tons and was powered by four broilers.

00:43:00.710 --> 00:43:04.601
Nope, boilers we cooking on here.

00:43:05.534 --> 00:43:09.644
Yeah, it's not like the broiler makers are a football team in college.

00:43:09.644 --> 00:43:10.728
It's the boiler makers.

00:43:11.856 --> 00:43:16.164
So they were powered by four boilers that produced 75,000 shaft horsepower.

00:43:16.985 --> 00:43:18.509
Okay, I'm guessing that's a lot.

00:43:20.096 --> 00:43:21.822
I've never been on a horse with power, so I don't know.

00:43:22.635 --> 00:43:23.880
I got stepped on by a horse once.

00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:29.798
That fucking hurt when On the back of my calf.

00:43:30.940 --> 00:43:32.824
Oh, that hurt, that fucking hurt when On the back of my calf?

00:43:32.824 --> 00:43:33.206
Oh that hurt.

00:43:33.226 --> 00:43:33.606
That's random yeah.

00:43:33.626 --> 00:43:35.639
Why was your calf on the ground for it to step on?

00:43:35.875 --> 00:43:38.762
Because he bucked me off shortly before he stepped down in a run.

00:43:41.277 --> 00:43:42.762
What were you doing that made him buck?

00:43:43.478 --> 00:43:44.284
I didn't do shit.

00:43:44.284 --> 00:43:49.240
It was this dumb fucking neighbor who went like this with a plastic bag and spooked him.

00:43:50.264 --> 00:43:52.335
Sounds like Amos hey.

00:43:52.335 --> 00:43:52.998
I love you.

00:43:52.998 --> 00:44:01.282
Okay, so the Juno had a top speed of approximately 33 knots and she carried about 700 Navy men.

00:44:01.994 --> 00:44:07.199
Do you because obviously I'm not a seafaring person Same, do you like?

00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:07.782
How fast?

00:44:07.782 --> 00:44:08.039
Like?

00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:09.958
Is there an equivalent to miles per hour?

00:44:10.240 --> 00:44:13.101
for knots 61 kilometers per hour.

00:44:13.922 --> 00:44:16.822
I'd have to go to my car and look at the speedometer for that.

00:44:16.822 --> 00:44:18.717
Okay, at least that gets me closer.

00:44:20.822 --> 00:44:21.364
Americans.

00:44:22.166 --> 00:44:22.445
Yeah.

00:44:22.527 --> 00:44:23.108
What can we say?

00:44:23.715 --> 00:44:24.880
We don't like the metric system.

00:44:25.737 --> 00:44:31.574
So the Juno was captained by Captain Swenson oh good old Swenson.

00:44:31.574 --> 00:44:42.731
And he says this is from the book Left to Die by Dan Kersman, which I did read in its entirety.

00:44:42.731 --> 00:44:46.380
There's a few spelling errors.

00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:48.204
In the book Like a lot, really Like a lot.

00:44:48.224 --> 00:44:50.068
Book Like a lot, really Like a lot.

00:44:51.431 --> 00:44:55.664
Seriously Like a lot Like that got produced with spelling errors.

00:44:56.556 --> 00:44:57.481
It was a lot.

00:44:57.514 --> 00:44:58.519
Can you show me this book?

00:44:58.994 --> 00:45:00.340
Yeah, I've got it on my Kindle.

00:45:00.961 --> 00:45:04.344
Oh, okay, because I'd like to see that, because that's fucked up.

00:45:04.454 --> 00:45:06.543
Yeah, I mean the story was good.

00:45:09.135 --> 00:45:10.554
Who's the editor on that one?

00:45:10.554 --> 00:45:10.775
Yeah?

00:45:10.795 --> 00:45:12.862
and I'll get into something else that was Sure.

00:45:12.902 --> 00:45:13.483
Anyways, carry on.

00:45:13.523 --> 00:45:17.324
Yeah, so Left to Die by Dan Kersman.

00:45:17.324 --> 00:45:20.402
That will be linked in our show notes.

00:45:20.402 --> 00:45:30.690
Captain Swenson said, quote we must have no armor because we must carry heavy anti-aircraft guns and move rapidly.

00:45:30.690 --> 00:45:38.481
The ship is poorly designed and all we're good for is convoying, I feel like he jinxed him right there.

00:45:38.875 --> 00:45:41.081
Yeah, he fucked him really hard.

00:45:41.121 --> 00:45:59.197
Yeah, spoiler alert Swenson was nervous about his crew as they were fairly inadequately trained and they were quite green behind the ears sure and also untested in battle, yeah, because I mean I don't know if you even know this, but did the?

00:45:59.338 --> 00:46:05.342
do you know when that type of cruiser or whatever they call it type of ship was like first produced?

00:46:05.342 --> 00:46:08.958
Because I know you said this one came out in 42, but yeah, is this like the atlanta class?

00:46:09.018 --> 00:46:10.581
I do not know atlanta class there.

00:46:10.581 --> 00:46:10.782
It is.

00:46:10.782 --> 00:46:34.768
Yeah, okay, because I'm not sure if like this was like a brand new class of ship or well that kind of brings me to swenson also being kind of inadequate, not more greener on the ears, yeah um, this was the first time he commanded a ship like the juno and he had no prior knowledge or even any type of information about the ship prior to captaining it.

00:46:34.949 --> 00:46:35.349
Gotcha.

00:46:35.550 --> 00:46:39.942
Yeah, so he was also very concerned that there were five brothers aboard.

00:46:40.664 --> 00:46:41.465
Well, yeah.

00:46:41.465 --> 00:46:42.467
Yeah.

00:46:42.467 --> 00:46:43.349
Jinx it.

00:46:43.349 --> 00:46:45.081
It's like having a woman aboard Jinx.

00:46:45.081 --> 00:46:46.215
That's what the pirates used to think.

00:46:46.085 --> 00:46:56.887
Having a woman aboard Jinx, that's what the pirates used to think Swenson actually complained about the brothers being on board and the Navy replied that it would be good for public relations.

00:46:57.309 --> 00:47:02.059
They should have complained that he was untested at being a captain of this.

00:47:02.059 --> 00:47:03.164
But okay, anyways.

00:47:03.715 --> 00:47:07.494
So get this Along with the five Sullivan brothers.

00:47:07.494 --> 00:47:10.445
There was also four Rogers brothers.

00:47:10.445 --> 00:47:15.402
Hey, that's my middle name Joseph Patrick, louis and James.

00:47:15.402 --> 00:47:15.802
Okay.

00:47:15.963 --> 00:47:16.565
Where were they from?

00:47:16.565 --> 00:47:16.905
Do you know?

00:47:17.927 --> 00:47:18.047
No.

00:47:21.416 --> 00:47:25.427
And, on that note, we're going to take a break while Keiko gets me a beer, because I'm too trapped.

00:47:25.427 --> 00:47:30.157
You don't know where they're from.

00:47:31.081 --> 00:47:31.222
No.

00:47:31.896 --> 00:47:32.777
The Rogers Brothers.

00:47:32.958 --> 00:47:35.326
Rogers Brothers Hold please.

00:47:35.494 --> 00:47:36.760
Is it spelt like my?

00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:37.362
middle name.

00:47:37.623 --> 00:47:41.023
Yes, yes, the Fighting Rogers Brothers.

00:47:41.023 --> 00:47:45.583
So Thomas Rogers lived a good part of his life in Monroe, connecticut.

00:47:45.583 --> 00:47:48.356
He was the father of 11 children.

00:47:48.356 --> 00:47:49.963
So the four brothers.

00:47:49.963 --> 00:47:54.023
So I believe they're from Connecticut.

00:47:55.675 --> 00:47:57.942
Okay, cool story, we back.

00:47:58.905 --> 00:47:59.686
Guess who's back.

00:48:00.596 --> 00:48:06.224
Okay, so the four Rogers brothers were from Connecticut, supposedly Joseph Patrick.

00:48:06.284 --> 00:48:07.226
Lewis and James.

00:48:07.974 --> 00:48:14.159
They were all boxers were they really yeah, some of them were professional and some of them were semi-pro.

00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:20.896
So interesting, their father thomas also happened to write a letter.

00:48:20.896 --> 00:48:27.505
Well shit, he wrote a letter to the president why doesn't anyone email back then?

00:48:27.505 --> 00:48:33.860
Kidding so he wrote a letter to the president to get them all on the same ship.

00:48:33.860 --> 00:48:39.739
President wrote back allowing it, as the sullivans were already granted this privilege.

00:48:39.739 --> 00:48:48.117
Eventually, joseph and james separate were separate from their brothers and boarded another ship.

00:48:48.117 --> 00:48:50.960
So they started there.

00:48:51.501 --> 00:48:56.588
Two of them left eventually oh so not all four of them were on the.

00:48:56.608 --> 00:48:57.568
They started there.

00:48:58.070 --> 00:49:06.945
Gotcha Okay, because I knew there was another set of brothers on the ship, but I didn't know that half of them vacated the premises.

00:49:07.615 --> 00:49:11.465
But also, at one point there was a ship that went down called the Wasp.

00:49:11.947 --> 00:49:12.186
Okay.

00:49:13.115 --> 00:49:20.204
And Swenson saved the crew members Approximately 1,900 of them, holy shit.

00:49:20.204 --> 00:49:25.547
And there was a brother of one of them already on the Juno what the fuck.

00:49:25.547 --> 00:49:28.081
So he too aborted the Juno.

00:49:28.375 --> 00:49:29.882
This story is about brotherly love.

00:49:29.882 --> 00:49:31.681
I'm going to tell you that right now.

00:49:31.681 --> 00:49:32.757
That's crazy.

00:49:32.757 --> 00:49:33.159
Yeah.

00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:35.483
I didn't know that part.

00:49:35.483 --> 00:49:38.063
Yeah, excuse me.

00:49:38.635 --> 00:49:39.500
Excuse you.

00:49:41.221 --> 00:49:44.396
Well, I do declare that was not very gentlemanly or like.

00:49:44.496 --> 00:49:45.059
Oh damn.

00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:53.804
So the Juno was sent to the front lines.

00:49:53.804 --> 00:49:59.168
They went to the Guadalcanal, which is near Papua New Guinea, in Australia.

00:50:00.396 --> 00:50:03.344
Where's Grandma New Guinea, anyways.

00:50:04.735 --> 00:50:11.789
So, as an anti-aircraft ship, they were given orders to attack surface vessels.

00:50:11.789 --> 00:50:14.994
Okay, which was never their intended purpose.

00:50:15.034 --> 00:50:16.541
No, because they're anti-aircraft.

00:50:16.541 --> 00:50:19.623
So why the fuck would they be okay?

00:50:19.623 --> 00:50:23.262
Yes, Blundering through the war.

00:50:23.262 --> 00:50:28.905
So let's rewind and go back to that book.

00:50:28.905 --> 00:50:30.349
I mentioned Left to Die.

00:50:30.349 --> 00:50:31.701
Left to Die.

00:50:31.894 --> 00:50:38.047
There was another significant typo throughout the book.

00:50:38.608 --> 00:50:38.949
Oh dear.

00:50:39.295 --> 00:50:42.625
And it was about the Japanese submarine, the I-26.

00:50:42.625 --> 00:50:43.467
Okay.

00:50:43.467 --> 00:50:45.865
Or the 126.

00:50:45.865 --> 00:50:47.474
So which one is it?

00:50:47.474 --> 00:50:49.382
Or the 726.

00:50:49.382 --> 00:50:51.480
Are you serious?

00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.184
You have no idea how confused I was when reading this book.

00:50:54.184 --> 00:50:55.157
I was like wait, where did?

00:50:55.157 --> 00:50:56.764
726 come into play.

00:50:56.954 --> 00:50:58.099
How many submarines are there?

00:50:58.099 --> 00:51:02.663
That's really yeah, so did you clarify which one it is?

00:51:03.536 --> 00:51:04.818
It's the I-26.

00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:06.565
Okay, yeah, that's weird.

00:51:06.965 --> 00:51:13.862
Yeah, so I went to Google ai and I was like tell me about the 726, they're like.

00:51:13.862 --> 00:51:15.608
And then I went okay, tell me about the 126, they're like.

00:51:15.608 --> 00:51:16.190
I got nothing.

00:51:16.190 --> 00:51:18.617
And then I did the i-26 they're like.

00:51:18.657 --> 00:51:21.224
Here you go I got lots of information for you.

00:51:21.224 --> 00:51:25.739
Yeah, you're like okay, okay, appreciate, that's okay, he's right anyway.

00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:33.213
So so the Japanese submarine, the I-26, was commissioned by the Imperial Japanese Navy in 1941.

00:51:33.213 --> 00:51:39.065
Gotcha, when it was submerged, it was 2,500 tons.

00:51:39.065 --> 00:51:44.211
Wow, the length was 319 feet.

00:51:44.211 --> 00:51:48.684
Okay, and it had six 21 inch torpedo tubes.

00:51:49.385 --> 00:51:50.307
Torpedo tubes.

00:51:50.307 --> 00:51:52.940
I like that you laughed before.

00:51:52.940 --> 00:51:53.764
I could even get there.

00:51:55.304 --> 00:51:56.777
With 14 torpedoes.

00:51:56.777 --> 00:51:58.402
Torpedoes.

00:51:59.465 --> 00:52:00.557
You say torpedoes weird.

00:52:00.557 --> 00:52:02.384
Apparently Are they Italian.

00:52:04.416 --> 00:52:05.278
I see what you did there.

00:52:06.463 --> 00:52:06.985
Throwback.

00:52:07.775 --> 00:52:09.541
Okay, so six torpedo tubes.

00:52:09.541 --> 00:52:25.644
Wow okay, okay, there was one deck gun, two machine guns, okay, and initially the submarine planned to carry a single seaplane, but that wasn't practical for them and it was eventually removed?

00:52:25.894 --> 00:52:27.300
Is it because it's a submarine Submarine?

00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:27.682
I don't know.

00:52:28.376 --> 00:52:31.764
I don't really know nautical vessels very well.

00:52:32.882 --> 00:52:35.422
Just so you're aware, submarines go underwater.

00:52:35.521 --> 00:52:35.963
Yeah, thanks.

00:52:36.936 --> 00:52:39.137
You don't know, nautical Is it yellow.

00:52:39.137 --> 00:52:40.242
Is it a schooner?

00:52:43.501 --> 00:52:49.572
So the I-26 was designed for long-range patrol and attack missions.

00:52:49.572 --> 00:53:03.005
Okay, so I didn't write down what his title was, maybe commander, general, submarine captain, I don't know.

00:53:03.005 --> 00:53:07.125
Minoru Yokota, he was 39.

00:53:07.125 --> 00:53:16.384
So there are two major religions in Japan there's Shinto and then there's Buddhism.

00:53:16.766 --> 00:53:17.065
Okay.

00:53:18.815 --> 00:53:20.150
Smatherings of other things.

00:53:20.675 --> 00:53:21.940
I'm sure, yeah, but those are the main two.

00:53:22.202 --> 00:53:28.956
Yeah, guess what his religion was Shinto Christianity.

00:53:29.577 --> 00:53:34.027
That's weird, really, that's surprising actually.

00:53:34.568 --> 00:53:35.856
And everybody on board knew it.

00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.768
I went with one of the two you said because I didn't know it was a third choice.

00:53:41.934 --> 00:53:44.222
Yeah, well, that's why I said there's a smattering of others.

00:53:44.222 --> 00:53:45.846
You smattered, all right, I sure did.

00:53:45.846 --> 00:53:47.677
I led you on that one.

00:53:48.521 --> 00:53:51.047
Well, good thing it doesn't smatter, let's go To fail.

00:53:51.755 --> 00:54:08.106
So in 1942, guadalcanal Patrol Sorry, in the 1942 Guadalcanal Patrol, the submarine was meant to deliver supplies to Allied planes and they actually ended up on a reef.

00:54:08.106 --> 00:54:11.519
What's that called, when you like?

00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:12.682
Run aground.

00:54:12.682 --> 00:54:15.358
I don't know, almost like a beached whale.

00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:16.760
Run aground.

00:54:17.302 --> 00:54:19.065
Sure it was.

00:54:19.487 --> 00:54:19.766
I mean.

00:54:20.007 --> 00:54:20.469
On a reef.

00:54:20.469 --> 00:54:34.329
So out of the six torpedo tubes, the reef and the damage that the reef caused damaged four of their six tubes.

00:54:38.755 --> 00:54:43.007
It's like you're going to say tube and boob at the same time Tube.

00:54:43.494 --> 00:54:45.161
That one was a misspeak.

00:54:45.161 --> 00:54:53.737
Yeah, don't say yeah, so when when they uh beached the the reef, they damaged four out of their six torpedo tubes.

00:54:54.739 --> 00:54:59.349
Yeah, it's uh six, 66.6 it's also significant later on.

00:55:00.596 --> 00:55:01.896
So let's fast forward.

00:55:01.896 --> 00:55:05.081
We're now in november 1942.

00:55:05.081 --> 00:55:10.447
We're talking about about November 12th and November 13th in the Guadalupe Canal.

00:55:10.768 --> 00:55:11.449
What days were those?

00:55:11.449 --> 00:55:13.710
I don't know.

00:55:13.710 --> 00:55:15.980
I'm just throwing you for a loop.

00:55:15.980 --> 00:55:18.065
Continue, please.

00:55:18.065 --> 00:55:19.217
So the goal.

00:55:19.356 --> 00:55:25.688
The US goal was to reinforce their Marines on Guadalupe Canal with additional troops and supplies.

00:55:25.688 --> 00:55:28.021
The Japanese were going to intercept that.

00:55:28.161 --> 00:55:28.864
Damn right they were.

00:55:29.114 --> 00:55:30.217
So their strategy?

00:55:30.217 --> 00:55:35.882
Aware of the incoming reinforcements, the Japanese launched an attack to disrupt that operation.

00:55:36.043 --> 00:55:36.846
Okay, makes sense.

00:55:37.735 --> 00:55:42.931
So there was a night battle on November 12th.

00:55:42.931 --> 00:55:51.164
Okay, so the American and the Japanese naval forces clashed in a fierce battle known as the Naval Battle of Guadalupe Canal.

00:55:52.036 --> 00:55:54.605
I've never heard of it, but I bet you my dad has yeah.

00:55:54.605 --> 00:55:55.960
I'll have to ask him about that.

00:55:56.675 --> 00:55:57.920
So this battle had.

00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:04.086
I wish I could just have a video on my cats.

00:56:04.175 --> 00:56:08.025
I know, I kind of wish we were filming them, because that was pretty great.

00:56:08.025 --> 00:56:09.860
All of a sudden, whoa.

00:56:10.215 --> 00:56:13.344
We should just put a camera on Amos, because he's the active one, right?

00:56:13.385 --> 00:56:15.000
now Can we get like a dash cam on him?

00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:16.384
That'd be great, that would be fun.

00:56:16.635 --> 00:56:25.722
Okay, so this evening had really really poor weather and it was dark, so there was lots of limited visibility.

00:56:25.722 --> 00:56:36.867
Yeah, lots of limited availability or visibility, yeah, so there was a ton of confusion and there was actually a ton of close counters combat.

00:56:36.907 --> 00:56:40.434
Okay, close quarters combat oddly enough, I know what you meant.

00:56:40.434 --> 00:56:42.478
I just I let it slide, but you know.

00:56:42.478 --> 00:56:44.159
Thanks for fixing it they.

00:56:44.219 --> 00:56:50.809
so there was a destroyer called the USS San Francisco Was that after an Alaskan city too, no.

00:56:50.809 --> 00:56:52.010
Okay.

00:56:52.010 --> 00:56:55.983
But it was mistaken for the USS Atlanta.

00:56:57.206 --> 00:57:00.822
Oh shit, Was that significant that it was?

00:57:01.114 --> 00:57:04.983
Yes, because they thought the Atlanta was an enemy vessel and opened fire.

00:57:05.425 --> 00:57:08.094
Oh shit, Really, so they friendly fired.

00:57:08.215 --> 00:57:09.360
They friendly fired, oh, fired, oh.

00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:10.396
Damn on the atlanta.

00:57:10.416 --> 00:57:12.963
That's sad and so what happened to the atlanta?

00:57:14.005 --> 00:57:22.710
they fuck it was heavily damaged and suffered significant casualties, including admiral norman scott, who was killed on the bridge.

00:57:22.710 --> 00:57:27.081
Damn that's how limited visibility there was kill the, the fucking Admiral.

00:57:27.101 --> 00:57:27.663
That's crazy.

00:57:27.663 --> 00:57:29.206
They attacked their own ships.

00:57:29.206 --> 00:57:30.206
That I did not know.

00:57:30.206 --> 00:57:30.809
That's wild.

00:57:32.114 --> 00:57:35.164
The San Francisco obviously realized its mistake.

00:57:36.476 --> 00:57:42.822
So how do you think they realized that, though All of a sudden they're like, oh shit, they got an American flag on there.

00:57:43.184 --> 00:57:43.826
I don't know.

00:57:44.375 --> 00:57:46.201
How do you attack and then be like?

00:57:46.201 --> 00:57:47.706
Oh Ruh-roh.

00:57:47.706 --> 00:57:50.498
I was looking that way.

00:57:50.498 --> 00:57:52.161
I don't know.

00:57:52.161 --> 00:57:53.443
That's crazy.

00:57:53.443 --> 00:57:54.405
I did not know that.

00:57:54.405 --> 00:57:55.347
I'd never heard that before.

00:57:57.114 --> 00:58:05.976
So then there's a destroyer called you can call it a destroy-o, destroy-o, what's?

00:58:06.016 --> 00:58:06.760
up destroy-o.

00:58:07.115 --> 00:58:09.023
It's called the Amatsukaze.

00:58:09.735 --> 00:58:11.322
Oh, another Japanese one, mm-hmm.

00:58:12.094 --> 00:58:15.905
The commander Hara had his sights set on the Juno.

00:58:15.905 --> 00:58:18.994
He eyeballed the Juno.

00:58:19.074 --> 00:58:20.501
He's like I want to go to Alaska.

00:58:22.175 --> 00:58:27.829
So, within eight minutes of this battle, hara sent a torpedo straight for the hull.

00:58:27.829 --> 00:58:28.291
Okay of this battle.

00:58:28.291 --> 00:58:29.574
Hera sent a torpedo straight for the hull.

00:58:29.574 --> 00:58:35.865
Okay, the Juno seemed to literally jump out of the water about six feet, shaking and rocking.

00:58:35.865 --> 00:58:43.998
The torpedo hit the fire room of the Juno Okay, killed 19 men instantly inside the fire room.

00:58:43.998 --> 00:58:55.722
George Sullivan, the oldest, was thrown into the bulkhead, severely injuring his back Like I'm thinking like broken back.

00:58:56.014 --> 00:58:58.981
Okay, I have to ask this because of that statement already.

00:58:58.981 --> 00:59:00.297
Were there?

00:59:00.297 --> 00:59:01.583
Survivors of the Juno.

00:59:02.496 --> 00:59:03.795
Yes, but I will get to it, I know.

00:59:03.936 --> 00:59:05.481
I didn't want to jump the gun, but I had to ask.

00:59:05.521 --> 00:59:06.123
Sounds like you did.

00:59:07.434 --> 00:59:08.561
No, I jumped the cat, obviously the gun, but I had to ask.

00:59:08.561 --> 00:59:09.869
It sounds like you did.

00:59:09.869 --> 00:59:15.900
No, I jumped the cat Obviously because someone had to give him this information, because how would they have known that he hurt his fucking back?

00:59:15.900 --> 00:59:18.567
Okay sorry, I didn't mean to jump.

00:59:19.434 --> 00:59:32.278
So the book Left to Die by Dan Kersman Quote the bridge of the Juneau now leaned precariously to one side side, and the ship itself was 11 feet down by the bow, with a two degree list.

00:59:32.278 --> 00:59:47.887
While only one screw worked, the main feed pump, which barely worked, communications didn't work at all except for sound power phones, and the steering wheel wouldn't steer somehow.

00:59:47.887 --> 00:59:49.996
Yet the juno limped away to safer waters.

00:59:51.302 --> 00:59:52.277
That's impressive really.

00:59:52.277 --> 01:00:01.123
Yeah, because if you're like half kilter into the fucking water, I'm obviously not like Titanic sinking.

01:00:01.164 --> 01:00:08.443
but with no steering, somehow they managed Get the oars out and let's go guys.

01:00:08.443 --> 01:00:10.702
Well, others followed suit.

01:00:10.702 --> 01:00:16.148
Some of the other allied ships also followed suit to assess their damages, Gotcha.

01:00:16.148 --> 01:00:21.864
So Commander Yokota of the submarine I-26 followed them.

01:00:21.864 --> 01:00:23.469
Obviously, why wouldn't you?

01:00:23.934 --> 01:00:26.664
I mean, I got two out of my six tubes left.

01:00:26.664 --> 01:00:31.579
So now he's got five ships Like in his sights, kind of In his line of sight.

01:00:31.579 --> 01:00:32.402
Yeah, jesus Christ.

01:00:32.574 --> 01:00:34.056
His periscope, if you will Well.

01:00:35.677 --> 01:00:38.682
I mean they do have a line on there, Anyways.

01:00:38.682 --> 01:00:40.105
Oh God.

01:00:40.105 --> 01:00:43.070
Is that radar?

01:00:43.070 --> 01:00:48.782
These are not movie effects folks.

01:00:48.782 --> 01:00:50.360
These are actually from Kate.

01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:54.097
Oh my God.

01:00:55.221 --> 01:00:58.922
Okay, anyhoo, okay, so the I-26.

01:00:58.922 --> 01:01:01.083
Remember how many torpedo tubes there were left?

01:01:01.454 --> 01:01:02.480
Yeah, 33%.

01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:05.925
You're such a dork.

01:01:06.894 --> 01:01:08.061
Two out of the six.

01:01:08.394 --> 01:01:08.896
Yeah, you're such a dork.

01:01:08.896 --> 01:01:09.597
Two out of the six, yeah.

01:01:09.597 --> 01:01:16.208
So he had to strategically choose which vessels to fire upon with his limited.

01:01:16.329 --> 01:01:17.715
I don't know if you have this information?

01:01:17.715 --> 01:01:20.961
I don't, and I don't know how the setup of the tubes were.

01:01:20.961 --> 01:01:24.976
Were there like one on one side, one on the other, two on the same side?

01:01:24.976 --> 01:01:31.507
Because obviously, from what you just said, he had to strategically, yeah, uh, decide how he's gonna shoot, and so on.

01:01:31.507 --> 01:01:42.275
That would obviously be a big indicator of, okay, I have this tube here yeah and that ship's there so in the book I don't recall them stating where the

01:01:42.295 --> 01:01:42.775
tubes were.

01:01:42.775 --> 01:01:51.869
However, there was a lot of mention of if I fired at this ship, the backlash would would damage our own submarine.

01:01:51.869 --> 01:01:53.237
So I can't go for that ship.

01:01:53.237 --> 01:01:53.759
Makes sense.

01:01:53.759 --> 01:01:57.987
I can't go to this ship because of the angle of the tubes.

01:01:57.987 --> 01:02:01.101
So there was all all of that strategy in there.

01:02:01.101 --> 01:02:08.402
So the goal, um, for yokota was to knock out a heavy cruiser, and that would have been the San Francisco.

01:02:08.402 --> 01:02:17.077
So Yokota wasn't confident in the angle of the trajectory.

01:02:17.077 --> 01:02:19.784
He would have to maneuver around a light cruiser just in front of the San Francisco.

01:02:20.065 --> 01:02:20.867
Was that the Juno?

01:02:24.056 --> 01:02:27.340
The torpedo missed, oh shit, the San Francisco.

01:02:27.340 --> 01:02:35.469
Okay, and at 1101, on November 13th 1942, the Juno blew up.

01:02:35.931 --> 01:02:38.202
Wow, Like fully blew up.

01:02:39.255 --> 01:02:42.005
Yokota missed the San Francisco and it went to the Juno.

01:02:43.436 --> 01:02:45.302
So he never even intended to hit that.

01:02:45.422 --> 01:02:45.621
No.

01:02:46.123 --> 01:02:53.518
Wow, that's wild, yeah, and it was such that one shot was it one or two torpedoes did it say?

01:02:54.621 --> 01:02:56.603
I did not write that information down.

01:02:56.603 --> 01:03:02.922
Yeah, but that one hit and now remember they were already damaged too, right?

01:03:03.083 --> 01:03:06.777
obviously so I'm sure like fuel could have been leaking places or whatever.

01:03:06.777 --> 01:03:10.025
Blah, blah, blah kind of things to help, obviously.

01:03:10.025 --> 01:03:11.869
Fuck that shit up.

01:03:12.516 --> 01:03:14.721
So guess how long it took for the Juno to sink.

01:03:15.663 --> 01:03:17.347
One minute 20 seconds.

01:03:17.347 --> 01:03:18.918
I was going to go 30 seconds.

01:03:18.918 --> 01:03:19.780
That was my first guess.

01:03:19.942 --> 01:03:20.523
Isn't that insane?

01:03:20.523 --> 01:03:21.525
Damn 20 seconds.

01:03:22.295 --> 01:03:27.527
That had to blow a ginormous fucking hole in it then for it to sink in 20 seconds.

01:03:28.195 --> 01:03:31.885
Out of 700 men, 140 survived.

01:03:31.885 --> 01:03:34.878
That's impressive actually wow.

01:03:35.059 --> 01:03:37.963
Okay, I mean it's 20.

01:03:38.043 --> 01:03:47.909
So so fearing further submarine attacks and mistakenly believing that there were actually no survivors due to the massive explosion.

01:03:47.909 --> 01:04:09.253
Sure nearby allied ships left the scene without attempting any kind of rescue well they thought we're gonna get attacked next and there's no way that there's any survivor, so let's just get out of here, was this at night, so at this time it was 1101 am on november 13 said that, yeah, yeah, so I mean, it was daylight.

01:04:09.393 --> 01:04:13.925
It was daylight, but I'm sure there was enough dark smoke from the explosion and so on that they couldn't really tell.

01:04:14.025 --> 01:04:14.827
And no Juno?

01:04:15.168 --> 01:04:23.483
Well, yeah, but there's going to be debris all over the place and obviously in a panic, you're not going to be like that's not debris, that's a person.

01:04:23.483 --> 01:04:30.447
Yeah, yeah, that's not a person, that's debris, yeah, so you're just going to hightail it out of there and try and save your own neck, wow, okay.

01:04:30.835 --> 01:04:34.623
So the men left in the water following.

01:04:34.623 --> 01:04:36.447
The attack lasted for days.

01:04:36.447 --> 01:04:38.981
They were in the water for days.

01:04:38.981 --> 01:04:40.184
Were there sharks there?

01:04:40.184 --> 01:04:43.746
Well, that's to be determined.

01:04:44.548 --> 01:04:45.130
Well, you know.

01:04:46.416 --> 01:04:54.353
So the survivors found themselves cleaning to life rafts anything they could find basically nets and other debris.

01:04:54.353 --> 01:04:56.255
It's considered the open ocean.

01:04:56.255 --> 01:04:58.443
We're in the Indian Ocean here.

01:04:58.443 --> 01:05:10.396
Because of the confusion and the lack of communication about the extent of the damage to the Juno, a coordinated search for survivors wasn't initiated for several days.

01:05:10.396 --> 01:05:28.807
Wow, that's crazy so there was a plane, an allied plane, that threw, that flew over the juno site three times over the course of a few days and every time he reported the, the pilot reported that there were survivors.

01:05:29.327 --> 01:05:31.510
Oh really, yes and they just ignored it.

01:05:31.956 --> 01:05:32.936
They did nothing.

01:05:32.936 --> 01:05:43.009
Wow, the line of communication got disrupted somewhere between the pilot and whoever was doing the searching, sure, and it just never happened.

01:05:43.009 --> 01:05:48.597
That's sad, and he went over three different times over several days and each time he, each time he's like dude, they're still there.

01:05:48.597 --> 01:05:50.539
There's less of them, but they're still there.

01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:56.244
So was the 140 survivors the total they collected?

01:05:56.244 --> 01:05:58.405
No, that was the initial.

01:05:58.405 --> 01:05:59.266
That was the initial.

01:05:59.266 --> 01:06:01.849
How did they have time to count that number?

01:06:02.909 --> 01:06:04.891
It was probably just a guesstimate, I'm sure.

01:06:04.891 --> 01:06:10.875
Yeah Damn.

01:06:10.875 --> 01:06:16.563
So George actually survived the blast with his potentially broken back, really, as did al really so.

01:06:16.563 --> 01:06:23.697
Floating on debris, george yelled and yelled and yelled in the water for his brothers.

01:06:23.697 --> 01:06:26.461
Al never responded.

01:06:26.461 --> 01:06:29.987
Okay, george did end up finding him.

01:06:29.987 --> 01:06:39.942
He would like Swim between debris Looking for his brother Any of his brothers and he found Al and just Al was just in complete shock.

01:06:40.463 --> 01:06:40.864
Well, right.

01:06:40.996 --> 01:06:44.170
So he didn't even really register what the heck was going on.

01:06:44.170 --> 01:06:49.159
Yeah, so a friend on another raft Said that he actually saw red, really.

01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:50.264
He had said that he actually saw red, really.

01:06:50.264 --> 01:06:56.447
Um, he had said that his head was split open, yep, but after just the first day in the water he didn't see him again.

01:06:56.735 --> 01:07:15.242
Okay, so it was suggested that he probably died within just hours of the explosion probably sank, I would assume so al was clinging onto a rope and George swam off to look for his brothers in other rafts and debris and when he came back Al was gone.

01:07:15.956 --> 01:07:16.838
Oh shit really.

01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:17.420
Yeah.

01:07:18.782 --> 01:07:19.385
That's sad.

01:07:19.885 --> 01:07:30.583
Yeah, so being in open water, you kind of had mentioned something already, but what kind of conditions do you think they would experience in the water?

01:07:30.583 --> 01:07:32.019
Well, dehydration.

01:07:32.019 --> 01:07:32.420
Mm-hmm.

01:07:33.056 --> 01:07:34.681
Number one because you're in salt water.

01:07:34.681 --> 01:07:35.083
Mm-hmm.

01:07:35.083 --> 01:07:38.724
Well, fatigue from the swimming.

01:07:38.724 --> 01:07:39.125
Mm-hmm.

01:07:39.125 --> 01:07:45.724
And probably some predatory seafaring animals.

01:07:46.166 --> 01:07:46.887
Seafaring.

01:07:48.168 --> 01:07:48.670
Like sharks.

01:07:49.074 --> 01:07:51.282
So, yeah, the elements were quite harsh.

01:07:51.302 --> 01:07:52.005
I can imagine.

01:07:52.255 --> 01:07:54.202
They all battle dehydration.

01:07:54.202 --> 01:07:54.864
Of course.

01:07:54.864 --> 01:07:58.505
But there was exposure to hot sun and then cold nights, of course, yep.

01:07:58.505 --> 01:08:06.762
During the day, the men would actually take off their clothes because it was so ungodly, hot Right, but were freezing then at night.

01:08:06.762 --> 01:08:11.137
Of course, and after so many days their flesh was just completely raw.

01:08:11.217 --> 01:08:13.360
yeah yeah, that's gotta suck.

01:08:14.342 --> 01:08:30.189
Most of the men also endured hallucinations from drinking the salt water well yeah, because at that point you're so damn thirsty, you're gonna do anything so some of the men hallucinated that the Juneau was quote unquote underneath them.

01:08:30.189 --> 01:08:32.162
So they try and swim to it.

01:08:32.162 --> 01:08:38.791
And they would try to swim to the Juneau because they were hungry and they wanted food and they knew the Juneau had a mess hall, wow.

01:08:38.791 --> 01:08:39.515
And they would die.

01:08:39.595 --> 01:08:41.560
Well, I mean, they aren't wrong, it was below them.

01:08:42.323 --> 01:08:42.684
Yeah.

01:08:43.024 --> 01:08:43.286
I mean.

01:08:43.734 --> 01:08:45.622
But they never came back to the surface.

01:08:45.622 --> 01:08:50.386
Others hallucinated that there was an island within swimming distance.

01:08:50.386 --> 01:08:51.738
Oh, and they tried to swim there.

01:08:51.738 --> 01:08:58.943
And they tried to swim there, sad, the worst elements that they could encounter was sharks.

01:08:59.104 --> 01:09:00.948
Yeah, I figured.

01:09:01.047 --> 01:09:04.023
Yeah, the very first day sharks came.

01:09:04.536 --> 01:09:07.163
Well, yeah, because smorgasbord.

01:09:07.725 --> 01:09:14.395
Yeah, came well.

01:09:14.395 --> 01:09:15.016
Yeah, because smorgasbord.

01:09:15.016 --> 01:09:16.981
Yeah, and these were actually sharks that were man-eating sharks like they.

01:09:16.981 --> 01:09:19.787
They weren't just, they weren't like great whites or whatever.

01:09:20.229 --> 01:09:29.389
Um, but yeah they were I don't remember if I wrote down what kind they were, sure, but they were actually sharks known for eating human flesh, gotcha.

01:09:29.389 --> 01:09:38.529
So they benefited quite a lot off of the dead bodies from the blast Yep.

01:09:38.529 --> 01:09:46.309
So they were quickly shooed away from the survivors by creating really frantic movements in the water.

01:09:46.309 --> 01:10:02.667
But eventually the sharks got more and more aggressive yeah, they got bold so, one by one, the surviving men with the hallucinations would tumble off their rafts in search for food or land or whatever and literally be taken down by these sharks.

01:10:02.948 --> 01:10:03.414
That's crazy.

01:10:03.414 --> 01:10:06.539
There were hundreds of these sharks.

01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:14.131
I tell you you ought to read this part of the book because the detail is horrendous.

01:10:14.131 --> 01:10:22.009
There would be screaming heard throughout the night because they would get taken under.

01:10:22.555 --> 01:10:26.086
They would swim somewhere, be taken under, and all you hear were screams Right.

01:10:26.086 --> 01:10:32.524
Eventually, though, the men on the raft stopped reacting, because it was they got used to becoming commonplace, yeah, yeah.

01:10:32.524 --> 01:10:43.176
So george um grew more and more unstable from drinking salt water, and he was also dealing with his heart, his heartbreak of reality.

01:10:43.176 --> 01:10:47.122
He claimed he saw an island and was gonna to go swim for it.

01:10:47.122 --> 01:10:48.104
And the actual?

01:10:48.104 --> 01:10:52.300
There was actually an Island, oh really, but it was 50 miles away.

01:10:52.300 --> 01:10:53.979
Holy shit, how would he have seen?

01:10:53.998 --> 01:10:58.159
that, unless it was a flat earth, he would not have seen that.

01:10:58.159 --> 01:10:58.621
Yeah.

01:10:58.621 --> 01:11:03.400
Sorry, there is curvature either way.

01:11:05.315 --> 01:11:13.259
So once in the ocean, within about 25 yards, three sharks attacked him and tore him to pieces.

01:11:13.259 --> 01:11:18.048
Well, and that was the fifth brother see you, george, it's been real.

01:11:18.990 --> 01:11:22.659
Yeah, wow, okay, so do you have?

01:11:22.659 --> 01:11:29.756
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm not done yet I'm not done yet I'm not dead, yet Bring out your dead, okay.

01:11:29.796 --> 01:11:38.720
So finally, after several days of drift, rescue aircraft finally came and spotted some survivors Only 10.

01:11:39.796 --> 01:11:41.863
10 out of the supposed 140?

01:11:41.863 --> 01:11:41.863
.

01:11:42.917 --> 01:11:44.122
Only 10 were rescued.

01:11:44.122 --> 01:11:45.005
That is sad.

01:11:45.837 --> 01:11:48.435
I didn't, honestly, know there was even any that survived.

01:11:48.435 --> 01:11:54.042
I didn't know that number, to be honest, wow 10 out of 140.

01:11:54.042 --> 01:11:54.863
That's crazy.

01:11:55.574 --> 01:12:03.390
So news of the sinking of the Juneau was actually initially withheld until the victory at Guadalcanal was secured.

01:12:03.390 --> 01:12:05.261
So they kept that under wraps.

01:12:05.635 --> 01:12:09.766
Which is understandable, you know, propaganda and all that back in the wartime.

01:12:13.117 --> 01:12:30.409
And the reality of the survivors remained largely unknown until well after the war, and the story of the Sullivan brothers, who all perished on the ship, became a stark symbol of the sacrifices made by American families during the war.

01:12:30.409 --> 01:12:37.020
So back in Waterloo, iowa, it wasn't so.

01:12:37.020 --> 01:12:37.545
This was November.

01:12:37.545 --> 01:12:38.934
We're talking about 1942.

01:12:38.934 --> 01:12:43.042
It wasn't until January of 1943.

01:12:43.042 --> 01:12:54.122
Did news finally reach Tom and Alita Sullivan, right, yeah, so if you had gotten news that your child was missing in action or deceased, who do you think would come tell you?

01:12:55.114 --> 01:12:57.942
Usually, then, they send a priest and a.

01:12:59.386 --> 01:13:00.167
Like an officer.

01:13:00.414 --> 01:13:07.381
Usually a little bit higher ranking officer that obviously wasn't overseas Right Was here, but usually I think that's what they did.

01:13:07.502 --> 01:13:11.198
Yeah Right, they found out through a neighbor.

01:13:11.198 --> 01:13:13.686
What, seriously?

01:13:13.686 --> 01:13:21.364
A neighbor's son wrote her and said that the Sullivans went down with their ship.

01:13:21.364 --> 01:13:23.399
And the neighbor came over and told Alita.

01:13:25.185 --> 01:13:25.926
That's messed up.

01:13:27.195 --> 01:13:27.997
She didn't believe it.

01:13:28.579 --> 01:13:29.502
Well, why would she have?

01:13:30.337 --> 01:13:36.257
So another week later, january 12th, three naval men came to their doctor.

01:13:36.257 --> 01:13:38.322
Okay, lieutenant Commander.

01:13:38.322 --> 01:13:39.024
Came to their what?

01:13:39.024 --> 01:13:42.128
To their door, their doctor, I said doctor.

01:13:42.270 --> 01:13:44.858
I'm like hey doc, what are we going to do?

01:13:44.858 --> 01:13:45.460
I don't know.

01:13:45.460 --> 01:13:46.635
Just go fucking tell her.

01:13:46.949 --> 01:13:57.208
Three men, naval men, came to their door, so it was Lieutenant Commander Truman Jones, who was coincidentally the man who also swore in all five Sullivan brothers.

01:13:57.208 --> 01:14:03.880
Okay, oh, I only wrote his name down, so there were three needful men and other guys.

01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:05.182
Two more.

01:14:05.182 --> 01:14:12.483
I don't know who they are, but they told the Sullivans that they were missing in action, essentially that they weren't deceased.

01:14:12.483 --> 01:14:21.262
And it wasn't until a letter came from a fellow sailor of the Juneau straight to the Sullivans that had confirmed the boys died.

01:14:21.663 --> 01:14:22.784
Gotcha Wow.

01:14:24.011 --> 01:14:25.979
So Tom still went to work that day.

01:14:27.270 --> 01:14:30.260
Well, I mean, gotta make that buck.

01:14:31.029 --> 01:14:32.390
So between Tom and Alita, they actually contemplated do I even go?

01:14:32.390 --> 01:14:35.974
Tom and Alita, they actually like, contemplated, like do I even go?

01:14:35.974 --> 01:14:42.840
And Alita was like the trains that you're working on are literally carrying war freight.

01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:46.282
Yeah, and if it's not delivered, more soldiers will die.

01:14:46.282 --> 01:14:47.082
So go to work.

01:14:47.323 --> 01:14:48.583
Yeah, no, I mean Mm-hmm.

01:14:48.583 --> 01:14:50.945
And then when you get home, get drunk.

01:14:50.945 --> 01:14:53.091
Yeah, wow.

01:14:53.150 --> 01:14:56.220
So Alita and Tom became a stimulus to the war effort.

01:14:56.220 --> 01:15:03.431
Letters of condolences came in from all over, including from President Roosevelt.

01:15:03.431 --> 01:15:06.395
Alita christened a new destroyer named the Sullivans.

01:15:06.395 --> 01:15:12.140
Near the St Mary's School, a statue of the Blessed Mother was dedicated to their sons.

01:15:12.140 --> 01:15:20.331
There was a Sullivan Park and they led a parade in Chicago for St Patrick's Day, fucking Chicago.

01:15:20.331 --> 01:15:25.577
Year after year, alita would repeat how old her sons would be if they had survived.

01:15:25.577 --> 01:15:27.439
Sure and Tom drank more.

01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:31.143
You don't say and he was actually fired from his job for it.

01:15:31.503 --> 01:15:32.184
At the train yard.

01:15:32.184 --> 01:15:33.746
Mm-hmm, oh man.

01:15:43.409 --> 01:15:44.894
But railroad officials in Chicagoago reinstated him.

01:15:44.894 --> 01:15:53.573
Wow, because he was the father of five heroes, and they didn't want that bad publicity, wow okay he retired in 1948, so really not that long after no, not at all.

01:15:53.594 --> 01:15:56.860
yeah, and he died in 1965.

01:15:56.860 --> 01:15:57.462
Okay.

01:15:59.552 --> 01:16:03.842
Both Alita and her mother, may, ended up in the same nursing home.

01:16:03.842 --> 01:16:07.957
Alita died in 1972.

01:16:07.957 --> 01:16:12.221
Okay, and May died a few years later at 105.

01:16:12.221 --> 01:16:13.949
Wow, it's because she was busy cleaning.

01:16:14.050 --> 01:16:16.296
I was going to say she outlived her daughter.

01:16:16.698 --> 01:16:17.421
By a lot.

01:16:19.015 --> 01:16:19.759
What year did she die?

01:16:20.329 --> 01:16:21.695
I didn't say just a few years later.

01:16:21.695 --> 01:16:24.737
She was 105 Wow that's crazy.

01:16:24.737 --> 01:16:29.569
Jen she died of cancer In 1975.

01:16:29.569 --> 01:16:45.220
The daughter During the war she was actually Part of WAVES, which is the United States Naval Reserve, or like Women's Reserve, and it was just a branch that the women could join.

01:16:45.409 --> 01:16:46.313
I was not aware of that.

01:16:46.313 --> 01:16:47.215
Okay, nice.

01:16:47.355 --> 01:16:52.376
Yeah, okay, sorry, I lost some place.

01:16:52.376 --> 01:17:38.719
That's okay so, if you recall al's son, jimmy, at 50 years old he pushed for congressional passing of the sullivan act, which would convert into law the present informal pentagon policy that forbids family members from serving together in the same unit or on the same ship right so it was an informal policy and he made it formal gotcha, oh sorry japanese commander minoru yokota became a school teacher the christian dude okay he changed his name and only wanted religion to purge his guilt he refused any reunions or kept in touch with any of his men.

01:17:38.810 --> 01:17:39.996
He wanted nothing to do with it.

01:17:40.449 --> 01:17:44.077
He just was trying to separate himself from the atrocities of war.

01:17:44.077 --> 01:17:44.920
Yeah, okay.

01:17:45.850 --> 01:17:47.896
Captain Swenson went down with his ship.

01:17:47.896 --> 01:17:51.737
Oh yeah, he was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross.

01:17:52.297 --> 01:17:52.698
Fair enough.

01:17:53.060 --> 01:17:55.756
His son, robert, went to the Naval Academy in 1944.

01:17:55.756 --> 01:17:57.595
Okay and a Robert went to the Naval Academy in 1944.

01:17:57.595 --> 01:17:57.622
Okay.

01:17:57.622 --> 01:18:05.688
And a destroyer which Robert would serve on, was christened the USS Lyman K Swenson oh there you go.

01:18:05.688 --> 01:18:09.614
So back to the Rogers brothers.

01:18:09.614 --> 01:18:13.143
Patrick and Louis Rogers went down with the Juno.

01:18:13.489 --> 01:18:14.534
Okay, so they did die.

01:18:14.614 --> 01:18:14.936
Mm-hmm.

01:18:15.310 --> 01:18:16.153
And the other two.

01:18:16.153 --> 01:18:18.019
Do you know what ship they went?

01:18:18.019 --> 01:18:20.052
I don't okay um.

01:18:20.373 --> 01:18:26.070
Joey rogers tried to return to boxing after the war, but quit after losing only two matches.

01:18:26.070 --> 01:18:31.569
He spent decades plastering wallpaper, delivering milk and assisting mechanics.

01:18:31.569 --> 01:18:35.880
For 15 years he drowned his grief in a bottle.

01:18:36.240 --> 01:18:37.363
Yeah, it's not surprising.

01:18:38.131 --> 01:18:45.829
However, he conquered his alcoholism oh impressive and enjoyed his life and his memories of his brothers until his death in January 1993.

01:18:46.489 --> 01:18:47.837
93 left a while.

01:18:49.149 --> 01:18:52.039
Jimmy Rogers returned to boxing as a professional.

01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.037
He won each week.

01:18:54.670 --> 01:18:55.131
Oh damn.

01:18:55.371 --> 01:19:03.423
But eventually began getting confused after a head injury in a bout and declared that his final fight.

01:19:05.832 --> 01:19:07.739
Yeah, they didn't know much about concussions back then.

01:19:08.792 --> 01:19:12.170
So he opened a restaurant and died in 1999.

01:19:13.051 --> 01:19:15.198
Oh, look at that Wow.

01:19:15.951 --> 01:19:17.899
So we're going to fast forward to 2018.

01:19:18.350 --> 01:19:19.917
That's a lot of fast forwarding yeah.

01:19:23.572 --> 01:19:26.920
They discovered the Juno Rack in 2018.

01:19:26.939 --> 01:19:27.600
Did they really, oh shit.

01:19:27.801 --> 01:19:43.737
Yes, so philanthropist and Microsoft co-founder, paul Allen, funded a research vessel, the RV Petrel, specifically designed for shipwreck exploration.

01:19:43.737 --> 01:19:47.850
So this vessel was responsible for locating the genome Gotcha.

01:19:47.850 --> 01:20:02.600
So the wreckage was identified on March 17th 2018, resting on its side on the ocean floor about 2.6 miles deep off the coast of the Solomon Islands, which is the Guadalupe Canal in the South Pacific, oh.

01:20:02.801 --> 01:20:03.422
St Patrick's Day.

01:20:05.733 --> 01:20:14.246
This unmanned submersible utilized side-scanned sonar to map the seabed and identify potential wreckage.

01:20:14.246 --> 01:20:26.078
After identifying a target area, a remotely operated vehicle with cameras was sent down to confirm the identity of the wreck through visual inspection, including the ship's nameplate.

01:20:26.649 --> 01:20:29.898
So did they know what they were finding when they found something?

01:20:30.470 --> 01:20:31.314
Yeah, I would imagine.

01:20:31.333 --> 01:20:33.255
So they knew they were searching for the Juno.

01:20:33.274 --> 01:20:34.118
They were searching for it.

01:20:34.118 --> 01:20:34.819
Oh, okay, gotcha.

01:20:34.819 --> 01:20:42.198
So the loss of life on the USS Juno was immense, with over 680 crew members perishing.

01:20:42.198 --> 01:20:50.038
The discovery provided a sense of closure for families who had lost loved ones on that ship by that ship being found Right.

01:20:50.038 --> 01:20:57.983
So, to end, george Sullivan, who was a runner's mate, second class, died at 27.

01:20:57.983 --> 01:20:58.703
Wow.

01:20:59.369 --> 01:21:06.542
Francis Frank Sullivan, who was a coxswain, which is a person in charge of the boat's navigation and steering.

01:21:06.542 --> 01:21:08.005
He was 26.

01:21:08.005 --> 01:21:12.800
Joseph Red Sullivan was a seaman second class.

01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:14.516
He was 24.

01:21:14.516 --> 01:21:19.438
Madison Matt Sullivan, seaman second class, was 23.

01:21:19.438 --> 01:21:23.934
And Albert Al Sullivan, seaman second class, was 20.

01:21:23.934 --> 01:21:30.470
That's crazy, 20 years old so that's the story of the Sullivan brothers.

01:21:30.551 --> 01:21:38.692
My dad was in the Navy, so he's a big Navy guy, so he loves reading about and his one of his favorite topics is topics is world war two as well.

01:21:38.692 --> 01:21:44.002
Um, he likes to read a lot of the Navy stuff from that time and whatever.

01:21:44.002 --> 01:21:48.277
So I would imagine he would probably get a kick out of this one to be honest.

01:21:48.997 --> 01:22:07.943
So, um, I did reach out from a email I found I have no idea if it was to the right person, but I did send an email because I wanted again, I love the song by Caroline Spine called Sullivan to see if we could play some of it.

01:22:07.943 --> 01:22:19.070
I never heard back, which I did not expect at all, which is fine, um, which is fine um.

01:22:19.070 --> 01:22:20.033
But, uh, I wanted to play a clip of the song.

01:22:20.033 --> 01:22:21.878
I'm not going to do it because I don't want to get myself in trouble.

01:22:21.878 --> 01:22:28.881
So, and I'm up, I'm gonna just read a couple snippets of the lyrics just to kind of reiterate what you kind of went over.

01:22:28.881 --> 01:22:38.662
Um, but definitely, if you're listening to this, go give uh sullivan by caroline spine, off of the album monsoon, a listen.

01:22:38.903 --> 01:22:51.184
It's a very good song, it's a rock song and we can put that in our yeah we could always do that, but like so, for example, um, so he like, in the song they talk about waterloo, which is where they're from, of course, um.

01:22:51.184 --> 01:22:58.144
And it makes more sense to me when, uh, the says looking for the Sullivan's train to come.

01:22:58.144 --> 01:23:05.099
I did not know that the dad worked on trains, so that makes so much more sense now to me.

01:23:05.099 --> 01:23:09.855
But they, you know the five boys.

01:23:09.855 --> 01:23:15.800
They mention five boys a lot, and so on, and I always like this verse.

01:23:16.310 --> 01:23:19.456
It's not hard to reach back to the days after the attack on Pearl.

01:23:19.456 --> 01:23:42.756
Overnight my buddies turned into men running out of time for games and girls, and the Sullivan boys were not overlooked, uncle Sam, calling each by name, which we find out, they're the ones who kind of said hey, uncle Sam, but the very next day they left on a mystery train to go and obviously get their orders, and so on.

01:23:42.756 --> 01:23:46.363
So it does talk about you know, mrs sullivan, don't cry.

01:23:46.363 --> 01:23:52.970
And you know we, we regret to inform you that all of your sons have been taken away, so on, so forth.

01:23:53.090 --> 01:23:59.114
Anyways, I don't want to read too much because I don't know, I don't want to get in trouble for something stupid, but it's a really good song.

01:23:59.114 --> 01:23:59.975
I really like it.

01:23:59.975 --> 01:24:00.856
I've played it for Kate.

01:24:00.856 --> 01:24:08.271
She didn't know it, she's not a huge music buff, but she enjoyed it and it's a really good song.

01:24:08.271 --> 01:24:16.048
But yeah, caroline Spine Sullivan on their album Monsoon from 1995.

01:24:16.048 --> 01:24:28.118
And if for some reason someone from Caroline Spine listens to this, please produce a vinyl record of that album so I can buy it, because I would love to.

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I do collect certain vinyls, bands I really like, and my brother, who is big into vinyl too and big music guy.

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I said, hey, if brother who is big into vinyl too and big music guy, um, I said hey, if you ever come across a Caroline spine monsoon vinyl, get it for me.

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He looked and said I cannot find one anywhere.

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So I don't know if they were ever produced.

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I'm not sure that is beyond my pay grade.

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So, um, anyways, jokingly, but I would take one.

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But yeah, um, I really I enjoyed it more learning a bit more about him because obviously, um, I didn't know some of those things.

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Of course I knew some, but most of my information grew from this song, which is, I think, kind of cool, you know, makes I like history stuff as we're doing this, of course.

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Uh, but to get like my main information, like I knew they were from Waterloo because of the song, yeah, and there also is a Waterloo in Wisconsin, but not that one, the one from Iowa.

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And she rolled her eyes.

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Oh, let's see how it is, let's go to Nebraska and have fun.

01:25:37.296 --> 01:25:38.217
Nebraska's great.

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To leave Kidding.

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Illinois is worse, at least Nebraska's next to Iowa.

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But we're rivals.

01:25:52.671 --> 01:25:54.692
In college or just in general College?

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Football.

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Who the fuck cares?

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Everyone's a rival in football.

01:25:58.657 --> 01:26:00.161
I did I did?

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Oh, that's right, because you had to adopt NFL, because all you had was college football.

01:26:05.460 --> 01:26:05.940
That's right.

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Yeah, yeah, my bad Must suck to grow up in Nebraska.

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It wasn't Shit, your trap.

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I don't have a trap to be shit.

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Torpedo tubes, torpedo tubes, torpedo tubes.

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How did you say, george?

01:26:20.811 --> 01:26:23.377
again, I don't even know, george, I don't even know.

01:26:23.377 --> 01:26:25.042
I'm going to have to listen to that again.

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That was fantastic.

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But anyways, yeah, so more historic things to come in the future, wouldn't you say?

01:26:36.201 --> 01:26:36.582
Yeah.

01:26:36.943 --> 01:26:37.162
Well.

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I suppose, All right, buffoons.

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