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Nov. 19, 2024

Land Ho! In About Nine Days: Roanoke

Land Ho! In About Nine Days: Roanoke
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Season 1

What if you returned home after three years to find everything you loved vanished into thin air? Join us as we sip on a Rugged North Lager and a peanut butter-flavored milk stout, spinning whimsical tales about the possible culprits—from zombies to tornadoes. Our playful banter sets the stage for a journey into the past, where we unravel the historical intrigue of the Roanoke Colony, fueled by ambition, exploration, and the ever-persistent question: what really happened to the vanished settlers?

Embark with us on a time-traveling adventure to the late 16th century, where explorers like Amadis, Barlow, and Sir Richard Grenville braved the unknown to establish an English foothold on Roanoke Island. With Sir Walter Raleigh's grand vision as a backdrop, we talk family ties, daring expeditions, and John White’s personal struggle as he led a new wave of settlers including his daughter Eleanor and son-in-law Ananias Dare. The tale is rife with challenges, from hostile encounters to nature’s wrath, setting the scene for one of history's enduring enigmas.

The mystery of the Lost Colony beckons with whispers of cryptic carvings and tantalizing theories. Could the colonists have assimilated with nearby tribes, or were they swept away by forces unknown? Our discussion takes on the theories, from plausible to peculiar, and reflects on new archaeological finds and DNA projects that hint at answers hidden for centuries. As we ponder the significance of swords, pottery, and copper rings unearthed on Hatteras Island, we also explore the cultural traces left behind, contemplating the legacy of the Lost Colony's potential descendants today. Join our exploration as we parse through the evidence and indulge in the allure of one of history’s greatest mysteries.



https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/lost-colony-ydna/dna-results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjmXzYdxuTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BErfr9hkNdk

https://www.roanokeisland.com/plan-your-visit/history-roanoke-voyages

https://allthatsinteresting.com/what-happened-to-roanoke-colony

https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/amerbegin/exploration/text6/white.pdf

https://www.proxi.co/blog/john-whites-explorations All of John White’s voyages

https://encyclopediavirginia.org/primary-documents/john-white-returns-to-roanoke-an-excerpt-from-the-fift-voyage-of-master-john-white-into-the-west-indies-and-parts-of-america-called-virginia-in-the-yeere-1590-1600/ - White’s jour

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Chapters

00:00 - New Podcast Companion Launch Announcement

16:03 - Founding the Roanoke Colony

23:47 - Roanoke Colony Mystery Theories

30:09 - Roanoke Colony Theories Discussed

41:18 - Descendants of the Lost Colony

46:52 - Roanoke Colony DNA and Descendants

Transcript
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Yeah, oh, hey there.

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Oh, hey there.

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How's it going, Kate?

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Good.

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Good, that was short, and sweet All right, I fed the cats early.

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I mean it's not that early, but I fed the cats early because Amos was starting to get a little talkative.

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Do you know what I find funny?

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You typically, at the beginning of every episode, we go oh hey, there All that.

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And we go, oh, hey, there all that.

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And I go how's it going, kate, I'm good.

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You never fucking ask me how I am.

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I'm good too.

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Thanks for asking.

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How are you?

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Doesn't matter.

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Clearly it doesn't matter.

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Clearly it doesn't matter we are history, buffoons yeah, we're definitely buffoons and bradley, tell me how are you today?

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Really I am doing well, kate.

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Thank you for for finally, finally asking me.

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It's been many episodes, we've recorded a plethora of them and I'm doing well.

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Yeah, funny thing is it's probably doing well the other ones, but you wouldn't know.

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But either way, oh dear, oh dear okay we are history buff.

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Thank you for joining us on this episode.

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Yes, I have a beer that I did not think I was going to try tonight, but I am Well, let's hear about it.

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Okay, so this is the Copper State Brewing Company.

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Okay, and it is brewed in Green Bay which is where I work.

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Which is where I work.

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And it's called Rugged North Lager.

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Rugged North.

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I can't tell where mine's from, so I have a beer from belching beaver brewery belching, belching like what do you think a belching beaver sounds like?

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Well, you'll probably find out a little bit after I drink this.

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Um, it's peanut butter flavored milk stout, stout with natural flavor.

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It also contains lactose.

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Good thing I'm not intolerant.

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So, normally you heard Kate's beer open.

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Normally we both open ours at the same time.

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However, mine being a peanut butter milk stout, I poured mine into a pint glass.

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I just feel like it was warranted, so cheers cheers.

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I like mine it's.

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It's a little heavier that is pretty fucking good the peanut butter yeah, so it's not like overly peanut buttery, but it certainly has that flavor to it, and I am not much of a stout drinker normally.

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Actually, the only one I normally drink is narwhal from, uh, sierra nevada, and I don't would actually probably like that, because he likes peanut butter, he likes stout, he likes dark just all the time I?

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I would be shocked if nathan didn't like this yeah, so we'll have to text him the name of this one.

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Yeah For sure.

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Yeah.

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Because, yeah, I think you would enjoy this.

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Yeah, for sure Cool.

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It's really really good.

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The peanut butter is not too strong, it's nice and subtle, but certainly there's some good flavor there.

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So what do you think of yours?

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I like it.

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It's a little heavier than what I'm used to.

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I thought it might be um.

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It is a lager which you do, like your lagers, and that's why I thought, yeah, it's good, I like it.

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Yeah, excellent, I would drink it again.

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Yeah five stars drink again so picture this picture this you go to college.

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Oh, I know that was a stretch, but wow, shots fired early on, jesus you go to college for three years oh and then you come back and you're on vacation.

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You come back after three years, okay, and everyone that you've ever loved oh dear, including your house I don't love my house is gone oh, thank that.

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House is finally gone.

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Fuck About time.

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Okay, picture this.

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Yes, got it, grasp it.

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Everything's gone.

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What do you think would have happened?

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Tornado.

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Oh, okay, that's good Apocalypse.

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What kind of apocalypse?

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A zombie.

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Okay, anything else Brains.

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Even your house is gone.

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Zombies don't care about homes.

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Well, they need to live somewhere.

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So I guess tornadoes.

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Probably.

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Because I mean you're gone for three years.

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It could have happened after month one.

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It could have happened after day one, as far as we know.

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Yeah.

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And then everything is cleaned up.

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By the time you get back, and you're like where the heck my house goes.

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I feel like there'd be correspondence before then, though, but would there be I?

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mean, yeah, I'd be like.

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I haven't heard from my parents in months.

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Uh, something's wrong.

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I'm pretty sure I wouldn't just be gone for three years.

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I probably would have but what if it was really difficult to communicate with them?

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Like pre-cell phone yeah um, yeah, I suppose I mean but I'm talking like pre, pre cell phone so are you talking like pre-phone?

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I mean, I guess if I didn't get a letter in correspondence?

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By pigeon yeah, pigeon carrier, fucking pigeon.

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Did you know they're extinct?

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no, I'm pretty sure they are I thought carrier pigeon was just a pigeon who carried shit and again, I'm a buffoon, so don't quote me on this sure, sure sure, sure thanks for the confirmation on that.

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I think it was a.

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It's a pigeon, but I think it was a specific species of pigeon.

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Could be Pigeon.

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Like a blue-footed booby.

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You even got to snort in that one.

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Folks, that's fucking fantastic.

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We are going to talk about Okay, okay, fucking fantastic we are going to talk about.

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Okay.

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Okay, so normally I'm going to like head this off, as I don't typically like to mix a ton of true crime with our podcast, because there's enough fantastic true crime ones out there.

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There's plenty.

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You got your favorites.

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Yeah, and so I don't want to like step on those toes at all.

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Of course not.

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But we are going to talk about the oldest missing persons case in America.

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Oh, really yes.

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What year are we talking about?

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We're going to go into the 1500s here.

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Holy shit, really.

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Yes, we are going to talk about the story of the lost colony of Roanoke.

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Hey, hey-o.

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Do you know who gave you that?

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idea.

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I don't know Me.

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Cool Thanks, bradley, you're welcome.

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I didn't really know who it was from.

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Yeah, what was written on the tree Krakatoa or whatever?

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No, that's the other one we're going to get to that.

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Yeah, okay, so European.

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That happened in the 1600s.

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No, it happened in the 1500s, but the 16th century.

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Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking.

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Yeah, my bad.

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So European exploration to the outer banks of modern-day North Carolina began in the 16th century 1500s.

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Okay.

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Maybe that's what I was thinking so yeah, so North Carolina has these string of um islands.

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Yeah, and it looks phenomenal and I want to go, so let's go oh let's pack up the kids, pack up Sarah, pack up Neith, let's go.

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Have you ever been to North Carolina?

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Yes, no, no, yes, I don't know.

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Was I there?

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I don't know.

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I've been to South Carolina for sure, I know.

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I'm not talking about.

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South but okay.

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My best friend, Hi Leona my best friend lives in North Carolina.

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I know you told me that.

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And yeah, I don't remember if I've ever been.

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So I've only been there once, unfortunately.

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I've been to Asheville, which shout out to the Asheville folk because they're going through some shit with that hurricane and everything I believe they're still cleaning up from that, if I'm not mistaken, is at this recording.

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I've been there, uh, once I won a trip for through work out there to go to the Sierra Nevada brewery.

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That they built because they're originally from California, but they built one in Asheville, oh dear five, six, seven years ago, give or somewhere in that vicinity, I believe, to help with supply, if you will, throughout the country.

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And a big shout out to Sierra Nevada because of that hurricane.

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If I remember the post properly, they were shut down, obviously, but they opened up their restaurant, basically, basically, and if you were an ashville resident, you could go there and get a free meal awesome and just kind of like it was in order to bring like community together, to be like hey how you doing such and such, whatever it was.

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Basically the gist was that.

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So shout out to sierra for doing that, because that's awesome.

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Yeah, I hope someday that we can do something like that maybe not such a scale, but like at least donate something.

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Yeah, yeah, because I would.

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I'd love to help out with stuff like that if I could, but it was really cool that they did that for those people because obviously that's a super hard time with what they're dealing with and I couldn't even imagine.

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I mean, we're in wisconsin, so we don't have anything like that to worry about.

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We have tornadoes here and there, but nothing to that scale.

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So that's got to be tough, so well done, sierra Nevada.

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Well, there was this Florentine explorer named Giovanni de Verrazzano.

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Yes.

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He sailed for the French king Francis I, okay, and he, like, skirted the Outer Banks in 1924.

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So he never actually landed In 1924?

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Sorry, why do I keep saying 19?

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, I don't know, 15, 24.

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That's fantastic, he like sailed right by the outer banks but, never like like touch land okay, he never landed, yeah, gotcha the following year, in 1525, not 1925 the spanish explorer, pedro de cuejo, passed by on his voyage to the chesapeake bay, which is just north by a little bit and just inland, okay, of the outer banks, gotcha, yeah, um.

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So, despite these early encounters, neither the french nor the spanish attempted to establish a settlement in that region.

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Interesting okay, why so Interesting I?

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wonder why.

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So jump to 1584.

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Okay, okay, during this time the Spanish Empire continued its expansion in the Americas, with ongoing colonization efforts and explorations in new territories.

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So they were in Central America, the Caribbean Islands and even Florida in 1513.

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Sure, and then there was the Anglo--spanish war, okay, and that was ongoing naval battles and squirmishes between england and spain.

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Squirmishes, squirmishes.

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What you've said that word before I know squirmishes I love that you call it.

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Keep calling it.

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I don't even know I'm sorry folks, the new word it squirmish Scrimps.

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Scrimps.

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I don't even know.

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I'm sorry folks, the new word is squirmishes.

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Squirmishes between England and Spain.

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Okay, I love that.

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So England had undergone a Protestant Reformation, while Spain remained a staunch Catholic nation.

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So religious differences led to political and military clashes between the two countries, makes sense.

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So both England and Spain were expanding their colonial empires into the Americas, sure, and competition for resources and territory often led to conflict, yep.

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So Spain was a major economic power in Europe, yep, while England was seeking to expand its own economic influence.

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The competition led to trade disputes and naval battles.

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So the English and Spanish governments frequently engaged in political maneuvering and alliances which often contributed to the outbreak of hostilities.

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Wasn't King Henry's first wife, the Catherine of Aragorn, aragorn Aragorn.

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Aragog.

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Aragog.

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I know we always say that, wasn't she Spanish?

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Am I thinking right?

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Yeah.

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So English Spanish like what the fuck man?

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Yeah maybe, but maybe they're still pissed that they got divorced.

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Could be.

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So that's the year 1858, 15, 1584 I don't do numbers.

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Well, folks okay I'm listexic yes, okay, so the year is 1584, okay, okay.

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So sir walter raleigh, who is a wealthy courtier and a favorite is of elizabeth the first, sought the queen's permission to establish a colony in north america.

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Right, okay, be gone, colonizer.

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Wow, just kidding, he was just a sponsor be gone never mind, that was pretty great, just giving us money okay, pretty much so he was given exclusive rights to possess and exploit the resources of the whole of the continent under sovereign authority of the crown, excluding only those parts already inhabited by Christians, aka Europeans.

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Correct, isn't that funny.

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It's like, yeah, you can do what you want with that, I give you that authority.

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It's like who the fuck are you to give authority over that?

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You don't live there, you don't have a rule over that, but all right, it's yours.

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yep, but again conquest and all that expansion so raleigh quickly organized two ships, and in april 1584 captains amadas and barlow set sail westward to explore new lands.

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I don't recall, so maybe you have this.

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Maybe I should get my tally sheet out.

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Oh shit.

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Oh dear.

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That's a new part of the podcast.

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How many days did it take them weeks to get to the new land.

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I don't have the information on this particular voyage, but you have in a future voyage it was 76 days, oh damn wow 70, so two and a half months yes it

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took to get to the new world, as they referred to it as okay, so the cats have eaten and oliver wants to play now oliver, oliver, oliver wants to play now oliver oliver, oliver, my cord, do you think I beg to differ?

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Okay all right on july 4th, oh 1584 a couple years before the english sailor spotted north america.

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Okay, they landed on july 13th.

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I don't know why they waited so long nine days.

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They spotted it nine days prior.

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Yeah, so I mean, were they still?

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That far away I mean maybe I guess, do you think you're like land ho in nine days, in nine?

00:16:02.745 --> 00:16:02.905
days.

00:16:02.905 --> 00:16:08.994
So they landed um at an inlet near what is known as the oregon inlet.

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It's part of the outer banks, okay, so the men explored the region and discovered the eight mile long island of roanoke yep and that is located between the outer banks and the mainland of what is now North Carolina.

00:16:25.371 --> 00:16:26.453
So it's basically in the middle.

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Yes.

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Okay, yes.

00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:35.456
So they believed that this secluded island could serve as a military and pirate base and eventually a permanent English colony.

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Okay.

00:16:36.201 --> 00:16:40.510
So their ultimate goal was to challenge the Spanish dominance in the New World.

00:16:40.510 --> 00:16:48.423
Sure, so this is going to be like their starting point, gotcha, new world, so this is going to be like their starting point, gotcha.

00:16:48.423 --> 00:16:55.903
So amadis and barlow returned to europe with more than just tales of, like, fruitful island paradise, like, oh, the trees and all the salt water.

00:16:55.903 --> 00:16:57.846
How'd that go?

00:16:57.846 --> 00:17:01.234
Oh the trees and all the salt water.

00:17:01.234 --> 00:17:03.846
What is wrong with us?

00:17:03.846 --> 00:17:06.472
We're buffoons, we're buffoons.

00:17:06.472 --> 00:17:13.608
So they actually brought back two Algonquin natives, oh really, manteo and Wenchies.

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Now did they go willingly.

00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.827
Yes, they did, okay, they did.

00:17:18.060 --> 00:17:19.859
Making sure they didn't kidnap some natives.

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I'm actually going to talk about Manteo a little bit later, but back in England the explorers, with the help of Sir Walter Raleigh, the sponsor, promoted the New World as a land of endless possibilities.

00:17:32.271 --> 00:17:36.615
And we're like hey we've got some friendly natives here.

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Well supposedly Supposedly Stay tuned.

00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:51.682
No-transcript oh please, I gotta laugh why do I?

00:17:51.982 --> 00:17:52.765
why do I?

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Am I so dyslexic with numbers?

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Years it's years.

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It's years and it's funny because you've done that over the last, I think, couple episodes really.

00:18:01.394 --> 00:18:07.154
So it's pretty fantastic that or irritating or or irritating that you're that consistent.

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So 1585, sir walter raleigh sent a fleet of seven ships led by his cousin, sir Richard Grenville.

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Okay, and he was to establish a colony on Roanoke.

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Yes, so after exploring the area, grenville returned to England for more settlers and supplies, leaving a garrison of about 108 men under Ralph Lane's command's command.

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Ralph lane okay and he'll come up again, sure?

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So during the winter and spring of 1585 and 1586 15.

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She had to make that known, make that no lane's men explored the surrounding region, discovering the chesapeake bay and hearing stories of gold mines inland oh, how did he hear stories of gold mines inland?

00:19:01.636 --> 00:19:12.549
all the natives speak english, apparently well, no, they don't, but I mean so lane believed that the colony should be relocated to the Chesapeake Bay.

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Instead of Roanoke.

00:19:14.032 --> 00:19:19.023
Yes, okay, which is just north, like it's not very far away when you look at a map.

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Sure yeah, you said it was pretty close yeah.

00:19:22.556 --> 00:19:26.185
And it harbors like more potential for exploration right Sure.

00:19:26.394 --> 00:19:27.519
Well, I mean mainland, yeah.

00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:28.997
Yeah, you're not stuck to an island.

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Yeah, does that make sense?

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However, hostilities with the local secotans forced him to abandon Roanoke in late June of 1586.

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Okay.

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Okay, Then Sir Francis Droyke, who was a naval commander and explorer, arrived on the scene.

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Oh dear.

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And offered to transport the colonists to the Chesapeake Bay, but a hurricane prevented them from doing so.

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Did they name them back then like they do today?

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I don't know.

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No, no, no.

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Was it Hurricane Roanoke?

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I mean that'd be clever, but no.

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It wouldn't be that clever.

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Lane returned to England and reported his findings to Raleigh, emphasizing the advantages of the Chesapeake Bay as a location for a new settlement.

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Determined to make another attempt, Raleigh sponsored one final expedition.

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Don't you find it crazy?

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Like oh, hey, wait, I got to go back to England.

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Two and a half months later I get to tell him.

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It's like yeah because obviously it takes a while.

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They had journals.

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They had journals.

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They had journals.

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Um no, it's just like crazy.

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It's like hold on, hold that question.

00:20:39.965 --> 00:20:50.087
I'll see you in five months, and that's worth spending a day in england because I gotta turn around the next day and come back.

00:20:50.087 --> 00:20:51.890
It's like fucking A man, yeah.

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So in 1587, sir Walter Raleigh proposed a new approach to colonization yeah, focusing on families rather than soldiers.

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And that's why it's Raleigh, north Carolina, right yes, named after him.

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Yes, yeah.

00:21:07.015 --> 00:21:12.386
Now, this expedition was led by John White, who had become the governor of Roanoke.

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Okay.

00:21:13.067 --> 00:21:22.709
Okay, john White also were on the previous two expeditions to North America Gotcha, he was just one of the explorers.

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He was part of the crew.

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Yeah, part of the crew.

00:21:24.838 --> 00:21:25.982
Exactly, sure.

00:21:26.755 --> 00:21:31.813
So a group of approximately 115 men, and I've heard this as 118, 117, blah, blah, blah.

00:21:31.813 --> 00:21:44.730
Give or take, so a group of approximately 150 men, women and children sailed to North America with the goal of establishing a permanent settlement north of Roanoke Island in the Chesapeake Bay region of Virginia, oh really.

00:21:44.730 --> 00:21:45.671
Yeah, that was the goal.

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So what is now known as Virginia?

00:21:48.923 --> 00:21:49.605
Yes, okay.

00:21:49.644 --> 00:21:53.663
Yes, so there were no military men on this expedition.

00:21:54.003 --> 00:21:54.304
Really.

00:21:54.786 --> 00:21:54.925
No.

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Why it was families, so John.

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White Because they can protect themselves.

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I know.

00:22:01.415 --> 00:22:07.795
So John White well, I'm wondering if it's because of the quote unquote hostile natives.

00:22:07.795 --> 00:22:19.218
He's like, well, we don't have any weapons, but you said they were friendly, the original expedition.

00:22:19.218 --> 00:22:20.260
They're like we're gonna get them.

00:22:20.260 --> 00:22:21.103
Yeah, so we'll pretend we're friendly.

00:22:21.103 --> 00:22:24.571
John white brought his pregnant daughter eleanor, oh dear, and her husband ananias.

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Say that again, ananias can you spell?

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That a-n-a-n a n I a s that is a unique name.

00:22:34.513 --> 00:22:44.181
I've never heard that name before and his last name is dare d-a-r-e wow eleanor and ananias dare that's crazy, okay, okay, that's a unique.

00:22:44.221 --> 00:22:47.191
So it took them 76 days to cross the atlantic right?

00:22:47.191 --> 00:22:54.527
Sure did, and because of their earlier hostilities with the natives and the men with ralph lane, they wanted to settle in the bay.

00:22:54.527 --> 00:22:59.076
But for oh none reasons the captain unknown reasons what I say.

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Oh none, oh, I know we're never known, I am wisconsin.

00:23:03.385 --> 00:23:11.967
You don't you know so, for unknown reasons, the captain of the ship didn't want to go inland.

00:23:12.267 --> 00:23:12.508
Why.

00:23:12.634 --> 00:23:14.382
They said he ran out of time.

00:23:14.382 --> 00:23:19.375
I didn't know there was a time frame on this, but that's what he said he ran out of time.

00:23:19.476 --> 00:23:20.671
The timer ran out.

00:23:20.671 --> 00:23:20.993
What the fuck?

00:23:21.035 --> 00:23:23.765
Yeah, so they literally settled on Roanoke Island instead.

00:23:24.214 --> 00:23:26.039
So not where they wanted to go.

00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:28.507
No, it's like you know what, fuck it, we're going here.

00:23:32.575 --> 00:23:33.442
Even though we don't want to Pretty much.

00:23:33.442 --> 00:23:33.986
No, it was just the captain.

00:23:33.986 --> 00:23:38.121
Everybody else was like no, we're supposed to go to Chesapeake Bay and he's like I'm not going to go there, I'm out of time, so I gotta go.

00:23:38.415 --> 00:23:40.674
Dude, I got a date in two and a half months in England.

00:23:40.674 --> 00:23:44.780
I gotta go man, what the fuck?

00:23:44.780 --> 00:23:46.320
What a piece of shit.

00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:52.240
So, governor John White, John White.

00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.766
He has an extensive diary, oh really.

00:23:54.766 --> 00:23:58.559
And it has been preserved, oh really yes that's exciting.

00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:18.280
Yes, so he is the only surviving account of where the colony's location is, on roanoke okay okay, sure, he says they built their houses on a hilled embankment surrounding them with a wooden palisade for protection.

00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:33.130
Sure, okay, so that summer went by successfully okay on august 18th 1587, eleanor dare gave birth to a daughter christened Virginia Dare.

00:24:34.238 --> 00:24:35.321
Is that why it's named Virginia?

00:24:35.795 --> 00:24:39.385
In honor of being the first Christian born in Virginia.

00:24:39.385 --> 00:24:41.820
So they must have had Virginia already.

00:24:42.343 --> 00:24:43.085
But why would they have?

00:24:43.085 --> 00:24:45.163
They didn't name that back in then.

00:24:45.823 --> 00:24:50.979
then their days so I read something that they named her after the Virgin Queen.

00:24:51.038 --> 00:24:52.261
Yeah, Virgin, yeah.

00:24:52.261 --> 00:24:52.762
Virgin Queen, yeah.

00:24:52.762 --> 00:24:55.228
Virgin, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:55.454 --> 00:24:58.404
Anyway, her name is Virginia Dare Okay.

00:25:00.136 --> 00:25:01.804
I dare you to say otherwise.

00:25:03.355 --> 00:25:07.247
So in order to make the colony last, they need more people, more supplies.

00:25:07.247 --> 00:25:10.836
So six weeks after arriving in Roanoke, yeah, more supplies.

00:25:10.836 --> 00:25:21.036
So six weeks after arriving in roanoke, yeah, just days after his granddaughter's birth, john white sailed back to england, leaving his family behind what a dick they needed him to go.

00:25:21.036 --> 00:25:21.718
I get that.

00:25:21.718 --> 00:25:24.125
Bring reinforcements, would you please.

00:25:24.125 --> 00:25:25.711
You brought no military.

00:25:25.851 --> 00:25:30.580
We need military I still can't believe they didn't have any type of military presence.

00:25:30.580 --> 00:25:36.256
They're like you know what, take the weakest of the week and they're just family members and, like you're good what?

00:25:36.615 --> 00:25:37.938
and yeah, and why.

00:25:37.938 --> 00:25:39.340
Why no military?

00:25:39.340 --> 00:25:39.721
Why?

00:25:39.721 --> 00:25:43.166
Why only 115 slash 818?

00:25:44.127 --> 00:25:48.059
people that were just farmers, whatever.

00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:48.840
Blah, blah, blah.

00:25:48.840 --> 00:25:57.242
Yeah, just families they had more than one ship well, yeah, but the fucker didn't want to even go where you're supposed to go that was the captain.

00:25:57.864 --> 00:25:59.347
Okay, okay.

00:25:59.347 --> 00:26:17.949
So white returned to england on november 5th 1587 and by this time reports of the spanish armada mobilizing for an attack had reached London, oh wow, and Queen Elizabeth had prohibited any ship from leaving England so that they might participate in the upcoming battle.

00:26:18.355 --> 00:26:21.304
And that's why there was the delay to get back there.

00:26:21.304 --> 00:26:23.461
Yes, which when they got back there?

00:26:23.721 --> 00:26:43.826
Yes, so John White was granted permission to resupply the Roanoke colony in 1588, okay, but his ships were delayed by unfavorable weather, yes, and then attacked by pirates oh, those pesky pirates resulting in the loss of all of his supplies and his, and then, of course, he had to return to england.

00:26:43.925 --> 00:27:01.788
Oh shit, so he tried, okay, following with her permission, with the queen's permission, like, of course yeah so, following the defeat of the spanish armadaada in August, england maintained the ban on shipping in order to focus efforts on organizing a counter-armada, of course To attack Spain in 1589.

00:27:01.788 --> 00:27:08.106
White would not gain permission to make another resupply attempt until 1590.

00:27:08.126 --> 00:27:08.468
Holy shit.

00:27:08.494 --> 00:27:10.122
Three years after he left them.

00:27:10.516 --> 00:27:13.983
And then, yeah, not good stuff happens when he gets back there.

00:27:13.983 --> 00:27:15.228
Yeah, three years.

00:27:15.434 --> 00:27:24.048
So White managed to return to Roanoke on August 18th 1590, the day of his granddaughter's third birthday.

00:27:24.048 --> 00:27:28.662
Oh, dear the very day he discovered poof Nothing.

00:27:28.662 --> 00:27:30.446
Everyone was gone.

00:27:30.875 --> 00:27:33.885
So what was written on the tree?

00:27:34.654 --> 00:27:36.102
I won't get to that Okay.

00:27:37.915 --> 00:27:38.898
So you accused me.

00:27:38.898 --> 00:27:40.845
Like you're busy, you're on your phone.

00:27:40.845 --> 00:27:48.914
I was trying to look up that fucking word because it's been bugging me, because I can't fucking remember it and I know it and as soon as you say it I'm like fuck, that's right.

00:27:48.914 --> 00:27:52.061
I'm going to say it in my next sentence and I know it, and as soon as you say it, I'm like fuck, that's right.

00:27:52.061 --> 00:27:53.684
I'm literally going to say it in my next sentence.

00:27:53.684 --> 00:27:54.867
Oh my God, I'm sorry.

00:27:54.887 --> 00:27:55.209
I jumped again.

00:27:55.209 --> 00:27:55.869
You usually do.

00:27:56.451 --> 00:27:57.173
Oh, what does that mean?

00:27:58.256 --> 00:28:00.983
He discovered everyone was gone.

00:28:01.164 --> 00:28:01.506
Correct.

00:28:02.154 --> 00:28:04.303
So house is dismantled.

00:28:04.703 --> 00:28:05.125
Everything.

00:28:05.295 --> 00:28:08.144
Except for the wooden palisade.

00:28:09.296 --> 00:28:11.924
Yeah, the outer perimeter or whatever yeah.

00:28:12.275 --> 00:28:14.201
So I've heard conflicting reports.

00:28:14.604 --> 00:28:14.784
Right.

00:28:15.678 --> 00:28:17.171
So I'm going to just say them all.

00:28:17.352 --> 00:28:17.654
That's fine.

00:28:17.996 --> 00:28:24.568
White discovered a tree with bark missing with the carved letters C-R-O etched in it.

00:28:24.568 --> 00:28:36.398
Now there was another article that I read that had the C-R-O, but then there was another post right that said croatoan that's it.

00:28:36.479 --> 00:28:38.301
Yes, what's that look for?

00:28:38.301 --> 00:28:40.526
You just gotta, let me talk, dude.

00:28:41.227 --> 00:28:48.885
I'm asking questions then there's another report that says they both existed, right.

00:28:48.885 --> 00:28:51.557
So it was one or the other, or both, I don't know.

00:28:51.557 --> 00:28:56.303
But I'm just going to talk about the cro because that's the one that comes up the most, okay.

00:28:56.303 --> 00:29:03.247
Okay, so no one knows what happened to the colony for 400 years, right?

00:29:03.247 --> 00:29:04.329
No idea.

00:29:04.329 --> 00:29:06.414
So what the bloody hell happened?

00:29:07.036 --> 00:29:19.295
well, there's a lot of theories that, since they felt like they were abandoned, supplies were out such and such and whatever that they melded into the local populace, if you will, the natives.

00:29:19.295 --> 00:29:33.047
There's another theory that they were all killed because, well, they're outsiders chop, kill, destroy whatever chop, kill, destroy but there's a lot.

00:29:33.047 --> 00:29:33.488
Obviously.

00:29:33.488 --> 00:29:41.048
There's thousands of theories of what might have happened to these people, but nobody fucking knows.

00:29:41.048 --> 00:29:51.468
So I'm gonna give you some theories I like the theories number one cannibalism yeah, well, because I mean they ran out of supplies.

00:29:51.587 --> 00:30:09.045
People are dying, uh, like hunger so harvard archaeologist lawrence stager okay, claims he actually discovered evidence that would suggest mass cannibalism on roanoke can you elaborate on his evidence?

00:30:09.045 --> 00:30:09.666
No.

00:30:10.688 --> 00:30:11.348
Tally one up.

00:30:11.569 --> 00:30:11.750
No.

00:30:12.996 --> 00:30:13.176
No.

00:30:13.638 --> 00:30:14.221
There is none.

00:30:14.994 --> 00:30:16.978
But then where the fuck did he just make it up?

00:30:18.041 --> 00:30:18.837
Let me continue.

00:30:18.837 --> 00:30:19.058
Oh my god.

00:30:20.555 --> 00:30:20.997
I'm sorry.

00:30:21.538 --> 00:30:31.424
In the years on Roanoke there was an extreme drought in the area and it had been going on for like 800 years supposedly 800 years.

00:30:31.424 --> 00:30:52.508
So some would say that the evidence points to the fact that colonists turned to plain old cannibalism to get through well I tried to find lawrence stager and his magazine article from the harvard alum magazine okay all I could find were citations I could literally not find anything Really.

00:30:52.508 --> 00:30:57.877
No article, no evidence, no idea, and Steger died in 2017.

00:30:57.877 --> 00:30:59.820
Of course, that's crap.

00:31:00.863 --> 00:31:01.403
That's too bad.

00:31:01.884 --> 00:31:02.605
Second theory.

00:31:02.905 --> 00:31:07.219
Okay, aliens, what Is that an actual theory?

00:31:07.219 --> 00:31:09.423
Yes, oh, for fuck's sake.

00:31:10.125 --> 00:31:15.638
Third theory we're not even going to stay there no, let's not, because that's just that, that is.

00:31:15.638 --> 00:31:35.250
That's a fucking weak ass theory third theory okay, the settlers were murdered by local native american tribe yep and in fact a previous attempt had been made by the English to colonize Roanoke between the years 1585 and 1586, which we talked about.

00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:39.923
But they soon returned to England after attacks of some of the Native Americans.

00:31:39.923 --> 00:31:42.469
They encountered as well as the shortage of food.

00:31:43.095 --> 00:31:45.220
Even though they brought some back and said look at the friendly natives.

00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:46.844
That was before I know.

00:31:47.526 --> 00:31:52.903
I'm just saying Ralph Lane, the governor of the first colony, killed the king of the local tribe.

00:31:53.525 --> 00:31:54.125
What a dick.

00:31:54.125 --> 00:31:55.449
Yeah, why would he do that?

00:31:56.275 --> 00:31:57.801
To prevent an uprising.

00:31:58.035 --> 00:32:00.202
Did they really have kings of tribes back then?

00:32:01.195 --> 00:32:02.540
Well, that's what I read.

00:32:02.560 --> 00:32:03.636
I know I just find that odd.

00:32:05.115 --> 00:32:08.486
But it was to prevent from them rising up against the colonists.

00:32:08.615 --> 00:32:12.266
Well, I mean, apparently that didn't work, if that theory is correct.

00:32:12.414 --> 00:32:13.513
There were no mass graves.

00:32:13.513 --> 00:32:17.026
No evidence of bodies skeletons have ever been found.

00:32:17.634 --> 00:32:22.383
Yeah, but I mean they're on an island, there's an ocean right there.

00:32:22.383 --> 00:32:35.096
You can dispose of bodies in an ocean, and especially in late 1500s, they're not going to be like.

00:32:35.096 --> 00:32:36.578
They don't have the forensics we do today, and shit like that.

00:32:36.598 --> 00:32:43.460
I watched a video of two guys talking about the story and one of them was like did they rake the ocean?

00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:44.622
How would you know?

00:32:45.463 --> 00:32:51.263
exactly and that's my point is like, oh, skull must be a local native, though it can't be one of our guys.

00:32:51.263 --> 00:32:54.176
But no, it's like what the fuck?

00:32:54.617 --> 00:33:05.467
all right anyways okay, so the fourth theory oh dear it has been speculated that the tree cro that was carved into it was where the colonists lived on roanoke, like.

00:33:05.467 --> 00:33:10.222
Where that tree was is where the settlement was right, that's what we all think right.

00:33:10.222 --> 00:33:12.796
And it's at the very north end of the island.

00:33:12.796 --> 00:33:18.446
Yeah, in john white's diary he mentions that they were atop a hilled embankment.

00:33:18.446 --> 00:33:25.684
Yeah, but he also mentions the site had a large growth of gosh.

00:33:25.684 --> 00:33:26.086
Darn it.

00:33:26.086 --> 00:33:29.936
I reread this word over and over and over to try to remember it.

00:33:29.936 --> 00:33:30.037
Now.

00:33:30.037 --> 00:33:31.700
I now I don't remember, I love it.

00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:37.470
Scoopernog, scoopernog, scoopernog, scoopernog.

00:33:37.470 --> 00:33:40.980
They are grapevines Like they're massive grapes.

00:33:41.382 --> 00:33:41.643
Okay.

00:33:41.734 --> 00:33:44.763
Okay, so this location had these grapevines.

00:33:44.763 --> 00:33:46.621
Yes, along with the Hildenbankment.

00:33:46.621 --> 00:33:52.455
Sure Now there's only one part of the island that had, sure.

00:33:52.455 --> 00:33:55.805
Now there's only one part of the island that had this, that has the great vines that old like they're still there, like even today.

00:33:55.805 --> 00:34:15.657
Yes, really yes, that's impressive but it sits three miles away from the currently accepted location of the colony that seems weird yes, so the new theory is they settled about three miles southeast, which has now been completely eroded away oh really so the ocean.

00:34:15.737 --> 00:34:26.643
Reclaimed the land yes yes, up to a half a mile has been eroded away since the late 1500s I mean that's a lot I mean it's a lot grand scheme of time.

00:34:26.684 --> 00:34:40.443
Maybe not, but that seems like a lot to me yeah okay so in this new site, a group called the lost colony research group has spent years sifting through the underwater sand oh really, hoping to find evidence that the colony once lived in that area.

00:34:40.443 --> 00:34:41.847
So they are raking the ocean.

00:34:41.847 --> 00:34:53.527
They are they have actually discovered a piece of pottery that was a style and type of material that was used in the late 1500s by english English settlers and all that Okay.

00:34:53.527 --> 00:34:57.666
So it's possible they discovered a potential location for where the lost colony was from.

00:34:58.496 --> 00:35:06.565
So I'm sure I'm jumping the gun and you're going to be mad at me for this, but like the CRO, croatoa right Croatoan.

00:35:06.565 --> 00:35:07.288
Croatoan.

00:35:07.288 --> 00:35:15.981
Again, I don't know all of this and a lot of it's speculation, but isn't wasn't that also like a place where they thought they went?

00:35:16.181 --> 00:35:18.126
yes, that is my next theory look at me go.

00:35:19.197 --> 00:35:19.677
You're welcome.

00:35:19.677 --> 00:35:23.608
I'm glad I could introduce that next theory except for I'm not done oh fuck.

00:35:23.648 --> 00:35:29.965
so in this case, why was the tree with cro carved into it three miles north?

00:35:30.045 --> 00:35:31.429
Yeah, that seems really weird.

00:35:31.509 --> 00:35:34.704
Yes, so could it be the colonists were on the move?

00:35:35.436 --> 00:35:38.385
I mean, that would be a very good assumption.

00:35:38.775 --> 00:35:39.780
Croatoan is south.

00:35:40.615 --> 00:35:41.900
Oh, and that was north.

00:35:42.041 --> 00:35:43.385
And this was north Interesting.

00:35:43.385 --> 00:35:49.318
So, apart from John White being the governor of the colony that he didn't live in, and barely was there.

00:35:49.338 --> 00:35:52.043
Yeah, because he was, I don't know, 76 days to England.

00:35:53.126 --> 00:35:58.199
And he was the one that we got all this information from from his diaries Right but he was also an artist.

00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.784
Oh yes, did he draw?

00:35:59.844 --> 00:36:00.105
pictures.

00:36:00.615 --> 00:36:03.965
He drew, he painted a map of the Outer.

00:36:03.965 --> 00:36:04.686
Banks yes.

00:36:04.894 --> 00:36:06.036
Does that map still exist?

00:36:06.036 --> 00:36:07.016
Yes, nice.

00:36:07.177 --> 00:36:13.382
So there's Roanoke, there's Croatoan, there's bodies of water, mainland and then even the names of local tribes.

00:36:13.382 --> 00:36:15.704
So he was a cartographer, yeah.

00:36:16.425 --> 00:36:16.726
Awesome.

00:36:17.085 --> 00:36:17.286
Yeah.

00:36:17.306 --> 00:36:18.387
You know what that means, right?

00:36:18.387 --> 00:36:19.489
Yes, map maker.

00:36:19.489 --> 00:36:19.889
Thank you.

00:36:19.889 --> 00:36:23.032
Okay, just making sure so we've had this map.

00:36:24.235 --> 00:36:32.369
Yes, so it wasn't until 2012 that non-invasive testing discovered something.

00:36:32.688 --> 00:36:33.510
What did they discover?

00:36:34.235 --> 00:36:38.865
There is a patch of paper covering a part of the mainland.

00:36:39.887 --> 00:36:40.128
What.

00:36:41.936 --> 00:36:42.721
So you've got the map.

00:36:42.721 --> 00:36:47.780
There's this little tiny parchment of paper, maybe the size of a half dollar, covering a portion of the mainland.

00:36:47.780 --> 00:36:49.983
Why the size of a half dollar, covering a portion of the mainland.

00:36:50.304 --> 00:36:50.684
Why.

00:36:51.786 --> 00:36:59.175
Well, this pasture paper has underneath so non-invasive investigation right Right, right right.

00:36:59.175 --> 00:37:05.728
So there is a four-pointed blue star with red ink in the middle.

00:37:07.076 --> 00:37:12.523
And are they saying like, that's where it is, and then he covered it up Potentially?

00:37:12.943 --> 00:37:13.224
Really.

00:37:13.224 --> 00:37:16.644
So the maps take too much time to create, right?

00:37:16.644 --> 00:37:20.322
Yeah, so if there's ever a mistake or something that changes, they just cover it up.

00:37:20.864 --> 00:37:21.646
Which sure?

00:37:22.007 --> 00:37:22.188
Yes.

00:37:22.188 --> 00:37:25.644
So, could this be the location of the new colonists?

00:37:26.275 --> 00:37:28.282
I never heard of this before.

00:37:28.594 --> 00:37:31.224
But remember, John White had been here before.

00:37:31.295 --> 00:37:33.179
Okay, yeah, because I mean never heard that of this before, but remember john white had been here before.

00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:35.827
Okay, yeah, because I mean it's not like he was new to this exactly.

00:37:35.827 --> 00:37:48.215
He was there when he dropped people off, yes, so he had accompanied ralph lane's expedition to the new world yeah where they established a fort in the abel marley mount sound abel marley ab.

00:37:48.235 --> 00:37:54.025
Ab alblo god damn it, abel marley, yep Ab ab elbow, god damn it Abel Marley sound.

00:37:54.226 --> 00:38:00.706
Yes, let's go with that and that leads into the mainland off the Chesapeake Bay.

00:38:00.706 --> 00:38:01.128
Sure.

00:38:01.394 --> 00:38:02.797
Where this star was covered.

00:38:03.197 --> 00:38:03.538
Okay so.

00:38:05.222 --> 00:38:12.748
The English quickly clashed with the natives, accusing them of stealing, of course, and their retaliation, lane's meant, burnt their village.

00:38:12.969 --> 00:38:14.192
How nice Jesus Christ.

00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:17.990
And it resulted in the deaths of several natives.

00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:20.327
I'm surprised there's only several.

00:38:20.347 --> 00:38:23.690
Uh-huh, and the English were forced to abandon the fort and return to England.

00:38:23.690 --> 00:38:30.329
So, the site of Lane's fort, marked on John John's map, coincided with that current location.

00:38:30.329 --> 00:38:33.373
Oh really, yes, interesting yes.

00:38:33.715 --> 00:38:33.994
Okay.

00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:43.134
So, given this knowledge, it's possible that the Roanoke colonists, led by John White, may have sought refuge at this abandoned fort after abandoning their own colony.

00:38:43.134 --> 00:38:53.748
Sure, okay, now today they have discovered pottery from that era, but this type of pottery was also used in england all the way up to like the 19th century so it's not really definitive.

00:38:53.807 --> 00:38:54.250
No, it's.

00:38:54.369 --> 00:39:11.550
It's just like that's pure speculation at that point and also ralph lane documented that in that particular area of the mainland the tribes were hostile oh really yeah okay so why would john tell his colonists that this is a place of potential refuge?

00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:14.735
When there's hostility in the area?

00:39:14.735 --> 00:39:16.585
Yeah, exactly, that makes no sense at all.

00:39:16.585 --> 00:39:18.708
So that brings me to the fifth theory.

00:39:19.181 --> 00:39:19.965
Oh, there's another one.

00:39:21.139 --> 00:39:24.409
CRO means Croatoan Island.

00:39:24.771 --> 00:39:27.186
Right, yeah, that's the one I was saying.

00:39:27.186 --> 00:39:31.706
I don't know, I know, sorry, so the Croatoans are actually friendly, right?

00:39:31.726 --> 00:39:32.773
Yeah, that's the one I was saying.

00:39:32.773 --> 00:39:33.275
I don't know, I know.

00:39:33.275 --> 00:39:34.239
So the Croatoans are actually friendly Right.

00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:39.838
Yes, so remember Mateo, who traveled with John White back to England.

00:39:39.838 --> 00:39:43.487
Yeah, okay, so he was a Croatan.

00:39:44.230 --> 00:39:44.510
Okay.

00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:54.114
Okay, so they think Mateo took the colonists to Croatoan where there would be more food and supplies and help and everything like that.

00:39:54.213 --> 00:39:55.400
Better living basically so.

00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.931
John describes in his journal that CRO means Croatoan.

00:39:58.931 --> 00:40:02.688
So he gets back into his vessel to sail south.

00:40:03.530 --> 00:40:04.552
To the island.

00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.346
Yes, which is now called Hatteras.

00:40:06.346 --> 00:40:13.465
Hatteras yes, the island is now called Hatteras and it's approximately 50 to 60 miles away, which is now called Hatteras.

00:40:13.485 --> 00:40:18.891
Hatteras, yes, okay, that island is now called Hatteras, huh, and it's approximately 50 to 60 miles away, oh, okay, so to the south, it's still Outer Banks, yeah, but still back in those times, 56 miles.

00:40:18.911 --> 00:40:28.262
That's a good jaunt so a very large storm, perhaps hurricane oh dear, continued to push him out to sea.

00:40:28.262 --> 00:40:30.572
Okay, and he eventually was so far.

00:40:31.496 --> 00:40:39.956
he just returned to england oh good, I mean you got to be pretty fucking far out like you know what I see?

00:40:39.956 --> 00:40:47.965
I see the new land, but I'm just gonna go back the other 72 days pushing you that way I get that, but it's like they don't have engines.

00:40:47.965 --> 00:40:53.784
Maybe put your sails down, fucking wow, that seems ridiculous, so get.

00:40:53.784 --> 00:40:56.009
So he just abandoned everybody again.

00:40:56.009 --> 00:40:57.271
Yeah, without any word.

00:40:57.371 --> 00:41:03.612
Okay so he actually died three years later, in 1593, at 54 years old did he die in england?

00:41:03.612 --> 00:41:06.262
He did okay he never knew what happened to his family.

00:41:06.262 --> 00:41:10.809
Well, his daughter and granddaughter probably because he abandoned I'd say abandoned ship.

00:41:10.849 --> 00:41:12.213
But abandoned country.

00:41:12.213 --> 00:41:18.744
I don't know, maybe that's the title episode so today.

00:41:18.925 --> 00:41:27.344
In the remote, remote northern part of hatteras island, archaeologists have been conducting annual excavations for the past decade.

00:41:27.344 --> 00:41:39.653
Sure, after each dig they have to recover their site for preservation, but every time they return they literally uncover more and more and more items.

00:41:39.653 --> 00:41:42.686
That's crazy, and they're all from the 16th century.

00:41:42.686 --> 00:41:49.027
So I mean that that tracks they have discovered a sword really a gun, oh gun.

00:41:49.047 --> 00:41:49.166
Oh.

00:41:49.829 --> 00:41:51.172
German stoneware.

00:41:51.652 --> 00:41:52.173
Germans.

00:41:52.173 --> 00:41:54.204
Where did the Germans come into this?

00:41:54.204 --> 00:41:56.311
What the hell.

00:41:56.860 --> 00:41:58.545
Maybe they got it from the Germans.

00:41:59.268 --> 00:42:02.840
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean trade was a big thing back then, but god damn.

00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:08.592
But then they also found a copper ring and a Nuremberg token which they claimed was like a coin.

00:42:08.972 --> 00:42:09.233
Okay.

00:42:10.181 --> 00:42:16.527
So natives didn't have glass, they didn't have iron, they didn't have guns, they didn't have swords, anything like that.

00:42:16.527 --> 00:42:18.730
So these were all literally European origin.

00:42:19.012 --> 00:42:20.579
Correct, yeah, wow.

00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:29.014
So, with 10 years of evidence supporting this theory, archaeologists firmly believe that this is the precise location where the lost colony sought safety.

00:42:29.193 --> 00:42:31.019
Yeah, okay, yeah.

00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:32.423
That this is the precise location where the lost colony um safety.

00:42:32.423 --> 00:42:32.724
Yeah, okay, yeah.

00:42:32.724 --> 00:42:34.188
I mean everything I've ever heard was I didn't.

00:42:34.188 --> 00:42:36.114
I never heard that, it was just cro.

00:42:36.355 --> 00:42:41.648
I always heard it was just, and I read both, sure, so it's hard to say who knows?

00:42:42.668 --> 00:42:43.550
obviously no one knows.

00:42:43.550 --> 00:42:54.474
But um, but yeah, I mean that that always made the most sense to me that they would have fled to this other island because of hostility on Roanoke and whatever.

00:42:54.474 --> 00:42:56.824
But yeah, that's just, that's wild.

00:42:56.824 --> 00:42:58.349
Yeah, oh, okay.

00:42:59.260 --> 00:43:02.150
So did the lost colonists survive.

00:43:02.900 --> 00:43:03.822
That's I mean.

00:43:03.822 --> 00:43:06.251
That's the question they've always been asking.

00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:23.777
So in the 1700s the first person from England to document his excursion to the Outer Banks his name was John Lawson met with a local tribe and he noticed their fair eyes English clothing and they even knew some English words.

00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:34.715
So they think, like that was that one thing I said, where they kind of commingled and basically assimilated to the natives, right, yes, okay.

00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:36.623
Living in the area today.

00:43:36.623 --> 00:43:48.911
There are common surnames from that period Dare, barry and Bishop Okay, and many of them are mixed with Native American ancestry Really Mm-hmm.

00:43:48.911 --> 00:43:51.028
So guess what they're going to do.

00:43:52.036 --> 00:43:52.559
DNA testing.

00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:54.909
They're going to be all 23 and me Just kidding.

00:43:54.909 --> 00:44:00.664
It's a little more scientific than that, that's fantastic.

00:44:00.726 --> 00:44:01.347
Well done there.

00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:04.146
So they do undergo.

00:44:04.146 --> 00:44:07.679
One person in particular does undergo a DNA analysis.

00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:18.755
Sure, so this organization called the Lost Colony DNA Project is searching for definitive biological proof that the colonists survived after joining a tribe.

00:44:19.096 --> 00:44:19.295
Yeah.

00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.009
And that their descendants are still living in the area.

00:44:22.009 --> 00:44:38.460
Sure, so if the colonists did join the Croatoan tribe, many would have taken native wives in order to continue their family lines right if that's the case, we can still identify their offspring through male y chromosome dna.

00:44:38.460 --> 00:44:43.072
Okay, so the y dna is inherited by sons and their fathers?

00:44:43.072 --> 00:44:48.487
Yeah, and possible dna mutations is how we can match ancestors.

00:44:48.487 --> 00:44:48.987
Okay, okay.

00:44:48.987 --> 00:44:49.951
Or like better match.

00:44:50.271 --> 00:44:50.512
Sure.

00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:57.914
So a recent DNA sample from a North Carolina man with the surname of Brown, was tested.

00:44:57.914 --> 00:45:04.793
They're looking for evidence that this man could be related to lost colonist William or Henry Brown.

00:45:05.213 --> 00:45:05.594
Gotcha.

00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.190
And they both spell it with Brown with an E on the end.

00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.635
Oh sure, yeah, yeah, gotcha, and they both spell it with brown with an e on the end.

00:45:12.655 --> 00:45:12.998
Oh sure, yeah, yeah.

00:45:12.998 --> 00:45:29.590
So once the dna is isolated, mr brown's genetic markers will be compared with a pool of potential english and native american ancestors to determine his ethnic makeup and also his haplogroup, which is like an isotope a specific isot isotope Sure Okay.

00:45:29.590 --> 00:45:41.311
So Mr Brown is known to be European and Native American, like he knew that about himself, sure, okay, so the only part scientists are interested in is that Y DNA.

00:45:41.311 --> 00:45:44.447
Yeah, and that is heritant from the males in the family line.

00:45:45.090 --> 00:45:45.250
Okay.

00:45:45.380 --> 00:45:53.514
His Y DNA must bear European lines, European traits, to match the European colonists.

00:45:53.514 --> 00:45:58.152
If it's Native Americans, then he cannot be a match.

00:45:58.152 --> 00:46:03.992
Conclusively, Mr Brown is European.

00:46:03.992 --> 00:46:09.512
He is a good candidate to be an ancestor of the lost colonists.

00:46:10.021 --> 00:46:24.346
I mean it just makes sense, though I mean, you're basically abandoned there for three years or longer really, if you think about it in a different way and it's like well, shit, we're out of supplies, we're out of this food, whatever.

00:46:24.346 --> 00:46:24.887
Blah, blah, blah.

00:46:24.887 --> 00:46:33.012
I mean I get the whole cannibalism theory, but I feel like people aren't going to just jump to that.

00:46:33.954 --> 00:46:34.135
No.

00:46:34.460 --> 00:46:38.371
They're going to look for alternative solutions.

00:46:38.371 --> 00:46:40.987
Otherwise, oh man, they're not coming back.

00:46:40.987 --> 00:46:41.769
I'm going to eat you.

00:46:41.769 --> 00:46:43.422
It's like what?

00:46:43.422 --> 00:46:44.706
I'm hungry.

00:46:44.706 --> 00:46:46.532
Give me a leg, you know?

00:46:46.532 --> 00:46:49.581
Do you have any thigh left, isn't?

00:46:49.601 --> 00:46:52.168
that amazing though yeah I mean.

00:46:52.168 --> 00:47:15.813
So the dna, the lost colony, dnh project is obviously like trying to find all of the ancestors, but this is just like one step towards like no, that there's they, they survived and they no, that's that's they lived with the native americans on croatoan and that's a huge step, because I mean, literally, you've been looking for this for 440 years roughly.

00:47:16.474 --> 00:47:25.922
And it's like, hey, we might actually have an answer for you or for anyone at this point, because anyone who cared back then is obviously long gone.

00:47:25.922 --> 00:47:28.567
But um, no, that's, that's wild.

00:47:28.567 --> 00:47:30.110
Did you ever?

00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:31.251
Um?

00:47:31.932 --> 00:47:42.266
I know you like scary stuff and whatever you watch american horror story I have did you watch the roanoke one I did and I liked it a lot yeah I think that was I like that show.

00:47:43.349 --> 00:47:47.143
I I get on shows and then sometimes yeah, I haven't seen like the latest seasons.

00:47:47.143 --> 00:47:52.824
Yeah, I think that was probably the last season I watched, but I enjoyed it.

00:47:52.824 --> 00:48:07.365
It was different it was weird yeah but I mean, yeah, this has been a a mystery, and that's why it's cool that they're like holy shit, this guy could literally be a descendant of the native and the europeans.

00:48:07.365 --> 00:48:09.990
That well, hey, I want to live together.

00:48:09.990 --> 00:48:16.398
I mean, let's do this want to survive yeah, it's like hey, I'm cold it gets cold in the winter you want to?

00:48:16.418 --> 00:48:18.304
you want to maybe come snuggle?

00:48:18.304 --> 00:48:20.168
Yeah, you look all right.

00:48:20.168 --> 00:48:23.657
And then old billy boy come.

00:48:23.657 --> 00:48:24.661
Why do we keep saying billy boy?

00:48:24.661 --> 00:48:29.228
Um, you know, I mean it makes sense, though it does.

00:48:29.228 --> 00:48:32.693
It just like jumping to, like fucking aliens.

00:48:32.693 --> 00:48:35.885
Come on that is such a fucking cop out.

00:48:35.885 --> 00:48:42.474
Yeah, aliens came down in 1580, whatever, and said you know what?

00:48:42.474 --> 00:48:44.003
No one's gonna know where they went.

00:48:44.003 --> 00:48:45.286
We're taking them.

00:48:45.286 --> 00:48:46.449
What are they on?

00:48:46.449 --> 00:48:47.411
Fucking mars, I mean?

00:48:47.610 --> 00:48:59.983
yeah, fuck's sake I think it's, I think it's obvious that if they were on the island, it had eroded away I think that is pretty obvious I mean even back then.

00:49:00.083 --> 00:49:02.471
Three years in the grand scheme of things isn't much.

00:49:02.471 --> 00:49:12.481
But I mean, hey man, this tide keeps getting a little higher I suppose so, but we didn't know it eroded until decades later and that's my point.

00:49:12.481 --> 00:49:20.469
So it's not like it was eroded that way, but it's just like it just makes sense that, hey, they're not coming back.

00:49:21.090 --> 00:49:25.722
We need to figure some shit out yeah, because he was gone for three years yeah and that back then.

00:49:25.762 --> 00:49:27.367
that's a long fucking.

00:49:27.367 --> 00:49:34.619
Took him two and a half months just to even get there, so it's like Like would you expect him back in six months?

00:49:34.619 --> 00:49:36.608
It's like he told me he'd pick me up at eight.

00:49:36.608 --> 00:49:41.751
But it's like you know, it's like what is happening here.

00:49:41.751 --> 00:49:47.925
So I mean, they had to like alternative things to do and it's like all right.

00:49:47.925 --> 00:49:50.351
Well, these people seem okay.

00:49:50.351 --> 00:49:52.043
Those people are dicks.

00:49:52.043 --> 00:49:52.806
Let's go south.

00:49:52.806 --> 00:49:56.730
And hey, man, we know how to make some tools.

00:49:56.730 --> 00:49:58.646
You know how to hunt for food for us.

00:49:58.646 --> 00:50:00.460
Let's get together.

00:50:00.860 --> 00:50:06.449
So they think that the colony in the part that has eroded.

00:50:06.449 --> 00:50:09.414
They walked up to the tip top north.

00:50:09.619 --> 00:50:09.840
Sure.

00:50:10.422 --> 00:50:17.349
Carved Croatoan or CRO and then, once on the vessel, they just went south.

00:50:17.710 --> 00:50:18.713
Right, right, right yeah.

00:50:19.521 --> 00:50:21.628
So they would go west-south.

00:50:21.947 --> 00:50:22.811
Okay, sure.

00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.409
Instead of going west-west to the mainland.

00:50:28.572 --> 00:50:57.913
Yeah, I mean west to right, the mainland, where, yeah, I mean, and I'll have that map on our, in our, our, um social media so you can see the map and where it's covered and everything for sure because yeah, that still exists no, and that's because, because it's still called roanoke, right, because the other one you said yes proton is now hatteras, but it's still called Roanoke this day and age, right, yes, okay, but yeah, I mean it's been literally a mystery for over 400 years, and where people are like where the fuck do these people go?

00:50:59.233 --> 00:51:02.056
We have this diary, we have this evidence that they existed.

00:51:02.175 --> 00:51:07.186
Yeah, we know we dropped them off here, said it'd be right back.

00:51:07.206 --> 00:51:07.927
Why didn't they wait?

00:51:11.219 --> 00:51:11.922
Storm wars, whatever it, right back.

00:51:11.922 --> 00:51:12.344
Why didn't they wait?

00:51:12.344 --> 00:51:12.746
Storm wars, whatever.

00:51:12.746 --> 00:51:13.489
It's like, dude, you could have waited.

00:51:13.489 --> 00:51:14.253
I mean, I told you to be right back.

00:51:14.253 --> 00:51:32.155
Three years later is right back in those days, but uh no, it's just wild, because you'll you'll never fully know, even if they link this guy to be a descendant of the, the tribe or natives, whatever you want to call it that they commingled with the Europeans.

00:51:32.155 --> 00:51:34.324
Did you never know what?

00:51:34.324 --> 00:51:35.791
You're never going to know what happened?

00:51:36.032 --> 00:51:36.192
Yeah.

00:51:36.481 --> 00:51:40.782
And that's just wild too, because obviously there's these English people they knew.

00:51:40.782 --> 00:51:51.588
At least some of them knew how to write, not all of them maybe, but it's like it's just crazy that there is no besides CRO or Croatoan in a tree tree.

00:51:51.588 --> 00:51:54.653
There's no history, no writing nothing.

00:51:54.653 --> 00:51:57.349
It's just like did they forget?

00:51:58.001 --> 00:52:03.351
And you can visit things at Roanoke and you can visit things at Hatteras.

00:52:03.351 --> 00:52:18.431
It's all replicas, Of course, and I think at Hatteras there's also a museum that you can like, because they're still finding artifacts to this day on Hatteras and clearly I mean that's wild, because you said they had German origin, english origin.

00:52:18.452 --> 00:52:19.813
I mean swords and shit.

00:52:19.813 --> 00:52:23.048
Yeah, the Native Americans didn't have swords.

00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:27.409
One guy found on Hatteras a piece of copper.

00:52:27.831 --> 00:52:28.072
Okay.

00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:34.503
And we had copper in America, yeah, on hatteras um a piece of copper, okay, and we had copper in america.

00:52:34.503 --> 00:52:42.471
Yeah, however, this copper he, they did some testing on it to trace it back to yeah, they wanted to see if there was arsenic in it, which is what the europeans did, which we weird we've talked about that before and it did.

00:52:42.592 --> 00:52:46.885
It had arsenic in it wow, yeah, that's see, that's yeah.

00:52:46.885 --> 00:52:48.025
It's just crazy.

00:52:48.025 --> 00:52:57.076
They can like piece that shit together and like those little things you know and link it back to a certain geological area, if you will.

00:53:03.485 --> 00:53:05.067
But no, that's that's crazy.

00:53:05.067 --> 00:53:15.177
Okay, as well, as there is a lost colony research project as well.

00:53:15.396 --> 00:53:15.717
Okay.

00:53:16.181 --> 00:53:17.666
I think they're mostly volunteers.

00:53:17.666 --> 00:53:22.710
Oh nice, but they are the ones who are sifting through the water, are they really?

00:53:22.791 --> 00:53:24.867
Mm-hmm, doing what do they say?

00:53:24.867 --> 00:53:27.067
Raking yeah, raking yeah.

00:53:28.081 --> 00:53:44.041
There's an All that, all that's interesting article, and then um, there's also I will have linked as well some of john white's articles, like his, his diary, so they they have images of that and everything you said that still exists, right, is that like in a museum somewhere?

00:53:44.581 --> 00:53:55.786
I'm gonna tell you real quick it's probably in some archive sure, no, I mean that would make sense because they want to preserve it, but I mean I'm not.

00:53:55.786 --> 00:53:57.952
It's not like in the library you can't check it out.

00:53:57.952 --> 00:54:03.391
Obviously, right, it'd be pretty badass though, but uh, no, that's, that's just crazy, that.

00:54:04.313 --> 00:54:12.722
How many 118, 115, 118 yes, yes, um just poof, they think right, yes, yes Just poof and Virginia Dare.

00:54:12.722 --> 00:54:15.849
The baby was the first child born in America.

00:54:16.992 --> 00:54:17.554
Not native.

00:54:18.217 --> 00:54:18.496
Mm-hmm.

00:54:18.496 --> 00:54:19.559
Correct First European.

00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:20.684
Yes, thank you.

00:54:20.684 --> 00:54:22.447
Yes, first European born.

00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:24.708
Did I ever tell you I'm part Native American?

00:54:24.708 --> 00:54:25.532
I think you have.

00:54:25.592 --> 00:54:27.079
Yeah, I think I have yeah.

00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:34.643
It's very minimal, I don't remember the percent, but chippewa Really.

00:54:34.903 --> 00:54:37.708
Yeah, awesome, yeah, but I always mix it up.

00:54:37.708 --> 00:54:40.172
I always have to ask my mom and she's like blah, blah, blah.

00:54:40.172 --> 00:54:42.474
I don't know why I can't remember it.

00:54:42.474 --> 00:54:43.155
I'm 45.

00:54:43.155 --> 00:54:46.170
I should remember this, but I've been literally asking my whole life.

00:54:46.170 --> 00:54:48.023
But either way.

00:54:48.023 --> 00:54:53.190
But yeah, I'm part native american, technically, so so what do you think about your beer?

00:54:53.190 --> 00:54:59.088
It's completely empty I thought it was delicious awesome and again, I am not a big stout person.

00:54:59.710 --> 00:55:02.460
Um, I'm typically not a big dark beer person.

00:55:02.460 --> 00:55:05.469
I don't mind them, I just don't go out on my way to drink them.

00:55:05.469 --> 00:55:06.875
This was really good.

00:55:06.875 --> 00:55:15.871
I rather enjoyed the belching beaver brewery peanut butter, milk stout, peanut butter flavored milk stout, but no, the logo is pretty funny too.

00:55:15.871 --> 00:55:20.530
It's a beaver with nuts all over his face and holding a nut in a beer.

00:55:20.530 --> 00:55:21.773
It's pretty great.

00:55:21.773 --> 00:55:22.836
No, this was.

00:55:22.836 --> 00:55:23.699
This was really good.

00:55:23.699 --> 00:55:24.521
I really enjoyed it.

00:55:24.521 --> 00:55:25.322
How did you like yours?

00:55:25.764 --> 00:55:29.811
it was good I had the um copper state brewery rugged north lager.

00:55:29.811 --> 00:55:34.568
Yeah, it's got a deer on it it does, yes, yeah um, yeah, it was very good.

00:55:34.568 --> 00:55:40.887
Um, I probably wouldn't go out of my way to purchase it, but if I had it at a party I would drink it I wouldn't say no.

00:55:43.251 --> 00:55:45.523
Well, I mean, at least you enjoyed it though yeah again.

00:55:45.523 --> 00:55:51.873
We like to try different beers and beverages just to expand our horizons.

00:55:51.873 --> 00:55:58.454
I mean, they're not going to all be 100% hits, but as long as you enjoyed it, that's all that matters.

00:55:59.061 --> 00:56:06.068
Yeah, if you have a suggestion on a type of beer for us to try, or a specific beer, not even just a type beer like from a certain brewery.

00:56:06.068 --> 00:56:06.990
Yeah, let us know.

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.909
We'll certainly look for it if we can get it in our area.

00:56:09.909 --> 00:56:13.746
Um, Oliver is rubbing his chin on the stand now.

00:56:14.108 --> 00:56:19.971
Yeah, by Kate it's there's lots of like noises coming from him because he's on the cords.

00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.161
And I guess that's a good time to say uh well.

00:56:23.161 --> 00:56:27.005
I suppose All right, buffoons, that's it for today's episode.

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