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Michael Myers Has A Baby: The Warrens

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Season 1

Ever wondered what it feels like to sip on Halloween in a can? We kick off our episode by giving Down East's unfiltered craft cider a whirl, complete with a blend of apples, pumpkin, and chai spices that demands a good shake before opening. The cider's strong apple notes and subtle pumpkin flavor make for a curious concoction that even pumpkin skeptics might enjoy. As we indulge in this festive flavor, we share our undying passion for Halloween, from the spine-tingling movies to the eerie books that haunt our shelves. Kate is on the prowl for a truly terrifying read and invites listeners to help fill her bookshelves with twisty, unpredictable tales.

Haunted houses, paranormal investigations, and the world of Ed and Lorraine Warren take center stage as we journey into the supernatural. With stories like the notorious Annabelle doll and the ghostly escapades of the Perrin family, we explore how Ed's childhood fascination turned into a lifelong pursuit of uncovering the unknown alongside Lorraine. Their adventures include painting their way into haunted homes to capture the spirits within. We recount some of their most infamous cases, sharing the chilling narratives that continue to intrigue anyone with a taste for the supernatural.

Our exploration doesn’t stop at haunted houses; we also recount the infamous Amityville Horror and the chilling experiences of the Lutz family. This thriller of a tale is juxtaposed with an examination of the Warrens' legacy, exploring both their impact on pop culture and the movies inspired by their exploits. We wrap things up by sharing our varied horror movie preferences and discussing the importance of standalone films. For those who are skeptics or believers, or just love a good scare, this episode is your ticket to a world where reality and the supernatural collide. Join us for a thrilling ride through tales that are stranger than fiction, as we celebrate all things Halloween!




The Demonologist: The Extraordinary Career of Ed and Lorraine Warren 

by Gerald Brittle (Author), Lorraine Warren (Author), Ed Warren (Author) 

https://amzn.to/47v1n0T

HBO Max Devils Road

https://www.max.com/movies/devils-road-the-true-story-of-ed-and-lorraine-warren/ef0155fa-e05e-4a2c-a76f-3ea5415ec777

https://tonyspera.com/

https://allthatsinteresting.com/ed-and-lorraine-warren

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Chapters

00:09 - Halloween-Themed Ciders and Scary Books

04:46 - Haunted Houses and Famous Cases

20:50 - The Haunting of the Perrin Family

36:41 - The Amityville Horror and Paranormal Investigations

51:17 - Legacy of Ed and Lorraine Warren

59:02 - Horror Movie Preferences and Remakes

Transcript
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oh, hey there, hey there.

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How are you kate?

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I'm good, I'm excited because we have a hi oliver, we have a pumpkin cider, which I'm not a huge pumpkin fan, so this is going to be interesting you do.

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You are a fan of ciders, so that's why we picked this one.

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We actually picked potentially two for this episode.

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We're going to start with um the cider, because that kate likes ciders.

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I mean, I like ciders too, don't get me wrong.

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But this is from uh down east, unfiltered craft cider.

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Um, and it's a wow that's hard to read an unfiltered blend of apples, pumpkin and delicious chai spices and I can't tell where it's from oh shit okay.

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So their bottle or their can says we know it's upside down.

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Literally, the writing is upside down.

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We know it's upside down why?

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Because the best way to drink our unfiltered cider is to shake it up first, and by turning the can over to read this, you're halfway there.

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Give it a shake, wait 10 seconds and enjoy unfiltered, the way it should be oh, I did not realize that yeah, okay that's kind of.

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That's kind of cool, unique way to do it shake, shake, shake shake your booty shake, shake your pumpkin I don't know if I'm gonna leave that in.

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That was terrible, all right.

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So I, I shook it, I uh let it settle but it doesn't say where they can it.

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I'm drawing a blank and I've known I've seen their stuff before.

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Oh, here Boston Massachusetts.

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Boston Mass Get Pocked Cod Havid Yad.

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No, okay, I'm scared to open this can now that we shook it and I've got my computer right here.

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Well then, maybe turn to the side.

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Okay, here we go.

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Oh, okay, that wasn't bad.

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No, it shouldn't be with a cider.

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Now, if you shook a beer, different story.

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Oh, why don't I hear that from mine?

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It fizzes, it fizzes.

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I do like ciders.

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I don't drink ciders.

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There's one cider that I drink.

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Well, you drink ciders.

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You just don't go out of your way to drink ciders.

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Like at all I know.

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So okay, bottoms up, here we go.

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Cheers, it tastes like a cider.

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Yeah, very little pumpkin.

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Yeah, I don't taste any pumpkin.

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Maybe a hint at the very end.

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It's definitely apple.

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It's definitely cider forward A very small hint of pumpkin at the very end so I don't hate it, cool, cool well, maybe you'll hate the next one, yeah, so hey, this is our halloween episode, hazzah halloween.

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It's an extra episode for you this week.

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Yeah, because we thought it would be cool to do something specific for halloween, because we are both big fans of Halloween.

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Yeah.

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We like the whole I don't know witches and whatever spookiness that goes with Halloween.

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I am a fan of scary movies.

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She is.

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I'm not, because they're very predictable.

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And I like scary books.

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I like.

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Well, as I've stated in a previous episode, my favorite author is ann rice, and so I like vampires and her witch series and blah, blah, blah.

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Not just that, I like other ones as well, but she's my favorite.

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So I like all that spookiness, werewolves, all that good stuff, you know and I prefer, like serial killer books.

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Well, I'm not a fan of like, I don't mind vampires and stuff, but I I'd rather do more realistic rather than fantasy okay um, but there has not been a scary book that I have found that I have been scared about.

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So and I please tell me if you have a scary book, because I would love to read it.

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It has to capture my attention, otherwise I won't read it.

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I want it to be scary, I want it to be unpredictable, I want there to be like a big twist at the end.

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Are you out there?

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please find me please find me in my inbox so if anyone has a suggestion for kate a scary book to read, please email us at historybuffoonspodcasts at gmailcom.

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Go to our website, that would be great, because you can get to that there as well.

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That will send us an email or leave us a voicemail and tell us about it in your own words, because you can click the little voicemail button on our website and be like hey, kate, try this.

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Yeah, we would love that.

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There is an author called ja conrath I've heard, yeah, I've heard of him I've got many of his books yeah, I have many, many of his books and he's got several that are kind of freaky, deaky, but, um, again, they're just, they're not quite scary enough okay not quite scary enough I find I find books um.

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I find it very hard for books to be scary yeah, that's probably my problem and like obviously a movie, they do the whole jump out at you, whatever kind of loud jumping music and stuff like that for sure whereas a book it's like you're just reading words, and not that I'm not saying they're good, it just I can't see how that's gonna be like.

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Oh my god, that freaked me out yeah, you know yeah but, but that's me, I am willing.

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You want to be, I want to be, that would be, great, um.

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So I have a question for you, oh what's your question?

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Since we're kind of talking about spooky things.

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I like spooky things have you ever been to a haunted house?

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yes, I have tell me about it oh dear, the last haunted house I went to was probably eight, no, 20 years ago you want to know something funny?

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what?

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What?

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I love scary books.

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Yeah, I love scary movies.

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You hate haunted?

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houses.

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I hate haunted houses.

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Is it because of the people jumping out at you and stuff like that?

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I don't want it to actually happen to me, I just want to see it or hear about it or whatever.

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Wow, that's kind of funny.

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I don't remember a lot about it.

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It was okay.

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Milwaukee, I think it was.

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That one was in Milwaukee.

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There was what was it called Rainbow Springs?

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It sounds very scary, trust me, in this day and age it is.

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I joke.

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No, it used to be a golf course and they had a lot of these buildings and it wasn't obviously used that way anymore.

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I think that closed down a long time ago.

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This is a different one than 20 years ago.

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This one was prior to that.

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It was okay.

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Yeah, nothing.

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Do you remember who you went with?

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I wish I didn't.

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Noted, noted.

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Kate's like answered that question question.

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I know who he's talking about, yeah, but so I'm gonna talk to you about a couple different haunted houses, oh, and they were all investigated by a couple oh is by the oh shit oh yeah, yeah, bring it on.

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You got this oh, I just lost their names.

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Shit man and wife, right.

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Yes, their last name is Warren.

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Yep, mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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Ed and Lorraine.

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Yep.

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Ed and Lorraine Warren.

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Yep, okay.

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So they spent their lives working on thousands of cases.

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What?

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Poltergeist demons, guys, demons devils, all of the above.

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Do you know what the male version of a succubus is?

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Incubus, not a girl.

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So ed is a self-taught demonologist.

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Well, yeah, because you don't go to fucking school for demonology I think there is something like that.

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is there, though?

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I think so.

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Well, the scary movies say there are Well then it has to be correct.

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Lorraine is a clairvoyant.

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Or so she says I mean.

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I'll get back to that later, actually, oh okay, yeah, so Lorraine had visions as a child, but she never told any of her family about it.

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I have visions all the time I look around.

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I mean Not that time I look around, I mean Not that kind.

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So the two met at 16 years old at a movie theater.

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He was an usher and she went to see movies and apparently she went, like every Wednesday, with her mom and he was just always there.

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You gotta work.

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Yeah, so they ended up talking and getting together Right when he turned 17, he went into the army what movie did they meet at?

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Um, it was a james cagney movie really nice yeah, um.

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So he went into the army um at 17 yeah, and when he got back they married and then he went back into the army oh, wow yeah, so he was like on leave or Sure.

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So he officially returned in 1945, and they had a daughter named Judy.

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Judy.

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Mm-hmm and to help support his family, Ed would paint.

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Okay, so he was a painter, he was a painter Interesting, so he would actually sell his paintings for about $3 to $5 each, which in today's money, um back in 1945 ish era I'm glad you finally learned to, to give you the um, the conversion it's the inflation rate yes yeah, it's crazy, that's pretty funny.

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Um so three to five dollars in 1945 is around 85 today.

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I mean, that's so.

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That's a good chunk of change for just uh just for a painting?

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Yeah, nobody at the time.

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Well, right, yeah I mean, he had no backing to his name and people would buy that stuff.

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That's yeah, that's impressive actually so he was always kind of interested in the paranormal.

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When he was a child he saw a I think it was a woman or some kind of disembodied face in his closet.

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That's weird.

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And so he was always kind of interested in the paranormal and haunted houses and he would research haunted houses in the area, go and paint the haunted house, okay, and then knock on their door with Lorraine right there and he would offer them the painting saying, hey, I painted your house.

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Would you like this?

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Yes, and then they would start talking about how their house is haunted and they would be invited inside and they would share stories.

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That's crazy.

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So that's kind of how they got into investigating haunted houses.

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That's pretty creative.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, wow.

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So how would he and you probably don't even know this, but how would he like that house just looks haunted and so he picked that.

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Or I mean, did he hear stories?

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No, I think it was probably more along the lines of he heard rumors that this person was encountering something, but this was all typically in kind of the New England area.

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Rarely did he actually like travel outside of the area.

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Okay, well, it's the oldest part of America, so it makes sense why there'd be a lot of haunted stuff that way.

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I'm going to tell you a couple stories of their more famous cases.

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I think I've got three here.

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They have thousands, right, right, and some of them really small, some of them really large, right.

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Because they're the one who did.

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They're the one about the.

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Was it annabelle doll or yes?

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Is that the right one?

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yes, yes so just for future reference here, they have never charged for their investigations well, yeah, because that'd be like a scam, because yeah seriously right and they could easily say well, like, we're going to pretend that there's a ghost here so we can get paid, even though we know that it's.

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Not right, right, like there's a bat in the attic or something.

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A bat in the attic.

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So they never did charge for their work.

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However, they got plenty of book deals and interviews and they taught lectures, so they did get their income eventually Right, of course.

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Yeah, they taught lectures.

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So they did get their income eventually, right, of course, yeah, through their career.

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But as far as investigating families' homes, they never asked for a cent.

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That's wild, yeah, so we are going to talk about little Miss Annabelle.

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Oh, there we go Right away.

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I know, I just wanted to make sure I thought that was.

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I was yeah.

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Anyway, sorry.

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Yes, wanted to make sure I thought that was.

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I was yeah, anyway sorry, yes and um so um annabelle was actually a raggedy ann doll, correct?

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Do you remember what raggedy ann was a doll, correct?

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Do you know where their doll came from?

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A factory downtown it was a cartoon correct.

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Yeah, it was a cartoon, because it's raggedy ann and raggedy andy yeah, so they were cartoons and they ended up um developing dolls, essentially to sell merchandise.

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Yeah, exactly, they're selling merchandise yeah, so there were three roommates, donna, and then her friend, angie, angie, and angie was, uh, fiance to lou fiance I've never, I never.

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I never actually heard that like fiance.

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It's like take your fiance to france so I heard conflicting dates.

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It was either 1968 or around 1970.

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Okay, that donna, who was a nurse, ended up receiving a gift from her mother, and it was a raggedy ann doll.

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And it was like a three-foot doll.

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It was fairly large.

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Those were big, yeah yeah, so she looked she enjoyed the doll.

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So donna would have the doll on her bed or on the chair, something like that.

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It was always in her room or somewhere thereabouts, because she actually did enjoy the doll.

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And it moved.

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Yeah, so there would be times when she would leave it sitting on a chair and when she got back it was off the chair.

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Right.

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And she would put it on the bed and then all of a sudden it would be on the chair.

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Like hours later she would come back home and it was on the chair and at first she was like, oh, I must have just forgot that I moved her there or something.

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And then eventually it was like this is happening a lot.

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And then at one point they started to witness notes around their apartment written on parchment paper where'd the parchment paper come from?

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they don't know.

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That's weird.

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They never they never had parchment paper in their apartment who the fuck does a raggedy and seven.

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Why would raggedy and have parchment?

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ask her.

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I don't know, raggedy, and so in the notes there this doll asked for help, supposedly supposedly asked for help.

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Okay, in the notes and it was written in like a child's, like handwriting weird yeah, at one point donna, who is again a nurse, witnessed a red oozing coming out of Raggedy Ann so and she was like that's blood.

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Can I ask a question so I can differentiate this in my brain?

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Yeah.

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Annabelle is just a name they made for the movie.

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No, it is actually associated with this doll.

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Yes, I just haven't gotten there yet.

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That's fine, I just cause I wasn't sure, so I just kind of wanted to.

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At this point she is rackety-yam.

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Okay yeah, all right, sorry.

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So blood is literally oozing from this doll.

00:15:33.147 --> 00:15:36.514
Ooh and Scandalous.

00:15:36.514 --> 00:15:38.287
Scared they called a medium.

00:15:38.287 --> 00:15:43.404
I'm sorry, like this is the 70s.

00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:43.034
I get that.

00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:43.363
I'm sorry, like this is the 70s.

00:15:43.363 --> 00:15:44.485
I get that.

00:15:44.485 --> 00:15:56.315
So the medium comes in and they hold a seance and they find out that there was a girl who had died on the land that the apartment complex was built on.

00:15:56.315 --> 00:16:00.950
Okay, she was seven years old and her name was Annabelle Higgins.

00:16:00.950 --> 00:16:01.892
There it is.

00:16:01.892 --> 00:16:04.726
So at this point they started calling the doll Annabelle higgins.

00:16:04.726 --> 00:16:05.529
There it is.

00:16:05.529 --> 00:16:05.931
So at this point.

00:16:05.931 --> 00:16:08.320
They started calling the doll annabelle that's.

00:16:08.980 --> 00:16:26.287
I feel like they almost kind of fucking brought this upon themselves well, exactly because they made this doll more of an object of sympathy as opposed to an object of fear right so, like it switched in their mind like, oh, this is a seven-year-old girl that's somehow latched on to this doll.

00:16:26.287 --> 00:16:28.149
Sure she's sweet.

00:16:28.149 --> 00:16:31.075
She asked for help, maybe she needs a friend, etc.

00:16:31.075 --> 00:16:38.412
So they she created more of a sympathetic so what help was she asking for?

00:16:39.634 --> 00:16:48.707
it doesn't say but I'm I'm imagining like a little girl is stuck inside this doll and asking to be released so where was she stuck before the doll came in?

00:16:48.707 --> 00:16:52.837
I don't know, that was not part of my research.

00:16:52.837 --> 00:17:01.734
Okay, so at this point, um, they decided to keep the doll in the apartment.

00:17:01.734 --> 00:17:02.934
Seems like a terrible idea.

00:17:02.934 --> 00:17:07.948
Well, the incidents did keep growing and at one point, annabelle attacked Lou.

00:17:09.130 --> 00:17:09.871
Like physically.

00:17:10.412 --> 00:17:11.693
Yes, how so.

00:17:11.693 --> 00:17:15.544
Lou was in bed.

00:17:15.564 --> 00:17:17.527
All right, folks, this is not a cider.

00:17:18.067 --> 00:17:20.673
We are taking a pause for another drink.

00:17:22.259 --> 00:17:22.682
I finished the cider.

00:17:22.682 --> 00:17:23.365
It was quite good.

00:17:23.365 --> 00:17:25.406
Very, very subtle pumpkin.

00:17:25.406 --> 00:17:27.708
This one's called Snakes and Spiders.

00:17:27.708 --> 00:17:34.583
It's a barrel-aged pumpkin ale aged in bullet bourbon barrels from raised grain close to home.

00:17:35.163 --> 00:17:35.726
Where's it from?

00:17:37.431 --> 00:17:40.087
Um, waukesha, am I mixing my shit up?

00:17:40.087 --> 00:17:43.064
Yeah, waukesha, look at me, go, I remember shit.

00:17:43.064 --> 00:17:43.886
How does it taste?

00:17:43.886 --> 00:17:45.805
It's really good.

00:17:45.805 --> 00:17:49.388
Good, you can taste the bourbon, I like it.

00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:51.766
So may I continue.

00:17:52.568 --> 00:17:52.669
No.

00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:56.028
So Annabelle attacked Lou.

00:17:57.005 --> 00:17:57.834
In his sleep.

00:17:58.278 --> 00:17:58.420
Yeah.

00:17:58.420 --> 00:18:03.989
So Lou woke up and is paralyzed like sleep paralysis, Weird yeah.

00:18:03.989 --> 00:18:11.901
And he looked down and he literally creepy heebie, jeebie, Literally.

00:18:11.921 --> 00:18:14.042
Annabelle was sliding up his leg.

00:18:14.083 --> 00:18:15.684
That's fucking weird and that's so creepy.

00:18:15.684 --> 00:18:18.667
And it wasn't a dream, no, well, hold on.

00:18:18.667 --> 00:18:24.554
So Annabelle slid up his leg, ended up on his chest and tried to strangle him.

00:18:25.335 --> 00:18:27.237
With her little doll hands With her little doll hands.

00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:29.664
So he didn't know was that a dream?

00:18:29.664 --> 00:18:30.406
Was that real?

00:18:30.487 --> 00:18:31.449
I've got no idea.

00:18:31.449 --> 00:18:32.692
He's got no idea.

00:18:32.692 --> 00:18:40.209
I like to believe in the paranormal because it's interesting to me, but so he passed out and woke up, not knowing the truth.

00:18:40.339 --> 00:18:47.284
However, he woke up with claw marks on his chest, which he probably gave himself, it's very possible.

00:18:47.304 --> 00:18:57.203
so the warrens, through this medium, heard about the doll and so the medium they contacted, those people contacted the warrens heard through them.

00:18:57.324 --> 00:19:03.430
Okay, yes, and they actually came over to talk to donna and investigate.

00:19:03.490 --> 00:19:07.054
Yeah, exactly, okay and um.

00:19:07.775 --> 00:19:18.303
They said that there was a damn, a demon, attached to the doll, but it was not possessed, as inanimate objects cannot be possessed according to only humans?

00:19:19.023 --> 00:19:27.734
yes, or I guess yes, maybe not humans per se, inanimate meaning a stuffed animal, right, but a human animal, something or other.

00:19:28.096 --> 00:19:32.130
Right, so this doll is somehow attached but not possessed.

00:19:32.130 --> 00:19:33.132
Interesting, yeah.

00:19:33.132 --> 00:19:37.630
So Ed agreed to remove it from the apartment.

00:19:37.630 --> 00:19:52.807
And when they're driving back to their museum, which is not their home, which is a common misconception because of some of the movies that are out there, but they had a lot of like artifacts that they've collected over the years from all their investigations.

00:19:52.886 --> 00:20:13.285
Right, okay so, on their way back to the museum, the doll attacked them the brakes in their car and the steering continued to fail, like off and on would continue to fail maybe they needed to take it to a mechanic and so they were transporting her to the museum at the center for paranormal research okay, which is what they?

00:20:13.365 --> 00:20:15.513
that's, their museum, yes what's it called?

00:20:15.534 --> 00:20:18.843
again sorry, center for paranormal research, okay, okay.

00:20:18.843 --> 00:20:24.193
So they stopped the car and they doused the doll in holy water, water, jesus.

00:20:24.193 --> 00:20:26.944
And then they made it back to the, to the museum on her.

00:20:26.964 --> 00:20:32.503
They just have like a squirt gun I don't know what they do or like a spray bottle, like a windex bottle full of holy water.

00:20:32.503 --> 00:20:33.707
Yeah, pretty much.

00:20:33.707 --> 00:20:36.051
Oh, that's great, jerry.

00:20:36.051 --> 00:20:36.539
What's that?

00:20:36.539 --> 00:20:47.756
One movie where he like it's a spoof movie and he's like they're spoofing my big fat Greek wedding and the dude's just got hummus in a fucking speck of.

00:20:47.756 --> 00:20:48.676
Anyway, sorry.

00:20:50.318 --> 00:20:55.308
So, so originally Ed placed the doll next to his desk at the research center.

00:20:55.308 --> 00:20:56.832
Why would he do that On a chair?

00:20:56.852 --> 00:20:59.685
Okay, okay, and did it wake up scratching him?

00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.588
Supposedly she would move around in the chair and was even seen levitating.

00:21:03.588 --> 00:21:04.692
Who saw that?

00:21:04.692 --> 00:21:07.526
How they didn't put that doll through a shredder, I don't know.

00:21:08.509 --> 00:21:09.250
Yeah, burn it.

00:21:09.250 --> 00:21:10.452
I mean Something.

00:21:16.700 --> 00:21:18.464
Just put a stake in the ground, put the doll next to it, bring it to stake.

00:21:18.464 --> 00:21:19.688
So a priest came by, he, they got lots of visitors, right.

00:21:19.688 --> 00:21:31.631
So a priest came by to visit, right, he picked up annabelle from this chair and called it a harmless doll and supposedly like threw it on the ground like rude I mean you're a guest here, but whatever but that probably pissed annabelle off it pissed annabelle off.

00:21:32.142 --> 00:21:37.561
So when he left, his brakes failed and he nearly died in the middle of a busy intersection.

00:21:37.561 --> 00:21:38.846
But he didn't.

00:21:38.846 --> 00:21:39.428
He didn't.

00:21:39.528 --> 00:21:46.728
However, the warrens did blame the doll of course they did, because that's their mo another came.

00:21:46.828 --> 00:21:48.873
Couple came to visit and mocked the doll as well.

00:21:48.873 --> 00:22:04.087
On their way home they got into a major car accident and the man of the couple was killed wow, because that's can be totally just tracked back to that the warrens again blame the doll and they had her locked up behind a glass case, where she still remains to this day right.

00:22:04.689 --> 00:22:05.792
Are the warrens still alive?

00:22:05.792 --> 00:22:08.559
No, okay, are you going to get to that?

00:22:08.760 --> 00:22:22.213
yes, okay, sorry in 1971 they encountered the Perrin family Perrin yes, okay Roger and Carolyn and their five daughters.

00:22:22.213 --> 00:22:23.035
They had five girls.

00:22:23.035 --> 00:22:24.096
Her name was Carolyn.

00:22:24.135 --> 00:22:26.281
Perrin, carolyn Perrin.

00:22:26.281 --> 00:22:27.887
Yeah, I feel like that would be a tongue twister for me.

00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:34.373
I feel like Carolyn Perrin would be like a sitcom mom Right, yeah, no kidding.

00:22:35.300 --> 00:22:43.294
Sorry, carolyn Perrin, we're not making fun of you, we're just we like your name we like your name so seven family members.

00:22:43.294 --> 00:22:58.153
Right they move into five daughters yeah, they were all daughters damn, that's a lot of daughters yeah, so they moved into a 14 room farmhouse holy shit 14 rooms in harrisville, rhode island, did the master bedroom.

00:22:58.173 --> 00:23:02.670
Have an ensuite anyways that's not part of my research, I'm just joking.

00:23:02.670 --> 00:23:19.222
From the very first day, carolyn, who was bringing in boxes into their new house okay, saw a shadow of a man through the kitchen or it could just have been a shadow her sister coming up behind carolyn, also with a box.

00:23:19.222 --> 00:23:23.270
Well, because they were moving, also saw this shadow of a man.

00:23:23.270 --> 00:23:25.520
Okay, a third sister.

00:23:25.520 --> 00:23:29.209
You said this was in rhode island, right, yes, okay, a third sister.

00:23:29.829 --> 00:23:40.284
Saw the man as he was vanishing oh, so the other two never got the pleasure no, so carolyn, her sister, saw the man right.

00:23:40.384 --> 00:23:46.604
The third sister saw the man as he was disappearing right, basically he was evaporating at that point.

00:23:46.604 --> 00:23:49.953
Yes, so more activity starts to happen, right?

00:23:49.953 --> 00:23:51.700
Oh, dear items go missing.

00:23:51.700 --> 00:23:58.988
Scratching sounds, random piles of dirt, like maybe their five-year-old is like wanting to practice her sweeping skills.

00:23:58.988 --> 00:24:01.488
I don't know, but there were random piles of dirt.

00:24:01.488 --> 00:24:03.141
Sweeping skills, yes.

00:24:03.924 --> 00:24:06.047
Is that a common practice in 71?

00:24:06.621 --> 00:24:10.326
No, but little kids like to pretend vacuum and pretend sweep.

00:24:10.326 --> 00:24:13.261
Does Vesper not do any of that?

00:24:13.261 --> 00:24:14.307
She goes to the trash, can.

00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.548
She's been able to throw stuff at the trash can forever.

00:24:18.688 --> 00:24:19.711
I know exactly.

00:24:19.891 --> 00:24:24.029
It's fantastic and the way she discovered it was like we discovered it.

00:24:24.029 --> 00:24:25.727
She's like how do you even know to do that?

00:24:25.727 --> 00:24:29.286
I mean, xavier likes to help, yeah.

00:24:32.260 --> 00:24:34.869
So Carolyn started seeing an older woman.

00:24:34.869 --> 00:24:39.971
She saw objects moving, and then the children eventually began seeing spirits.

00:24:39.971 --> 00:24:42.107
Alright, carolyn is the mom, the mother.

00:24:42.107 --> 00:24:47.349
Okay, for some reason I fucked up A lot of the activity was centered around the mom.

00:24:48.342 --> 00:24:48.964
Oh really.

00:24:48.986 --> 00:24:49.125
Okay.

00:24:49.125 --> 00:25:05.410
So Carolyn started investigating the history of the house, and it turns out there were eight generations of the same family that lived in this house over time you know damn well, some of those people died exactly eight generations many, many deaths right, that's, that's so.

00:25:05.450 --> 00:25:10.542
like again, I've mentioned this, I believe, right in previous podcasts.

00:25:10.542 --> 00:25:12.105
I have a very old house.

00:25:12.105 --> 00:25:15.268
Yes, my house is 10 years older than Wisconsin.

00:25:15.268 --> 00:25:18.872
Yes, I guarantee someone has died in my house.

00:25:19.053 --> 00:25:19.252
Yeah.

00:25:19.993 --> 00:25:21.836
Because that's a long time.

00:25:22.135 --> 00:25:30.631
Yeah, let's not talk about that because, I babysit your kids.

00:25:30.691 --> 00:25:32.093
Okay, I'm going to get a Raggedy Ann doll.

00:25:32.614 --> 00:25:33.234
Oh, my God.

00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:37.323
If you do, you're like I'm never babysitting your kids again, I'm going to get a Raggedy Ann doll.

00:25:37.323 --> 00:25:37.544
Oh my God.

00:25:37.544 --> 00:25:39.085
If you do, you're like I'm never babysitting your kids again.

00:25:39.085 --> 00:25:39.625
I'm never.

00:25:39.625 --> 00:25:41.227
All right, fine.

00:25:41.446 --> 00:25:48.674
So there is a nearby lake off this house, okay, and many of the younger family members actually drowned out there.

00:25:49.536 --> 00:25:50.836
Oh, so not even in the house, though.

00:25:51.661 --> 00:25:53.865
Yeah, well, a lot in the house, but many in the lake Right.

00:25:53.865 --> 00:25:55.328
Yeah, some in that.

00:25:55.328 --> 00:25:57.974
Well, a lot in the house, but many in the in the lake Right.

00:25:57.974 --> 00:26:04.224
But the worst entity, oh, dear they believe was a woman named Bathsheba Bathsheba Bath B-A-T-H Mm-hmm.

00:26:04.224 --> 00:26:05.086
Bathsheba.

00:26:05.768 --> 00:26:07.289
Yeah, that sounds like a cat food.

00:26:07.570 --> 00:26:09.594
She lived in the mid 1800s.

00:26:09.713 --> 00:26:14.445
Okay, she was the mistress of the house, if you will.

00:26:14.445 --> 00:26:16.375
So she was flirting with the man of the house.

00:26:17.161 --> 00:26:19.368
No, she was just trying to take control over Carolyn.

00:26:19.368 --> 00:26:28.169
I don't think Roger was really in on anything, but the entity of Bathsheba was trying to possess Carolyn the mother.

00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:32.726
No, I meant like when Bathsheba actually was alive, you said she was the mistress of the house.

00:26:32.726 --> 00:26:35.208
Yes, so she wasn't supposed to be there.

00:26:35.208 --> 00:26:35.872
No, she was mistress of the house.

00:26:35.872 --> 00:26:36.676
Yes, so she wasn't supposed to be there.

00:26:36.676 --> 00:26:36.897
No, she was.

00:26:36.897 --> 00:26:37.220
Oh, I'm confused.

00:26:37.339 --> 00:26:38.344
She was like man of the house.

00:26:38.925 --> 00:26:42.446
Oh, mistress of the house, oh, so you're not doing a scandalous?

00:26:42.446 --> 00:26:44.191
No, oh, no, my bad.

00:26:45.760 --> 00:26:48.070
She was believed to actually be a Satanist.

00:26:48.070 --> 00:27:10.250
A Satanist, yeah, and she would do like seances in her house and everything bath sheba would yep so, needing help, the parent family invited the warrens into the house okay on her first visit, lorraine would walk through the house and try to pick up on anything paranormal and how did they describe how she would do that?

00:27:10.250 --> 00:27:16.451
So she would essentially just kind of quote, unquote, try to be one with the house.

00:27:17.482 --> 00:27:19.509
But, they didn't bring in any equipment.

00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:29.974
It was literally just Lorraine walking through Because she's a clairvoyant, Ed would rely on her to say yes, there's something here, or no, there's nothing here, Gotcha.

00:27:29.974 --> 00:27:34.290
So she picked up on a female spirit Of course.

00:27:34.290 --> 00:27:38.371
And, like I said, ed would follow her intuition.

00:27:38.371 --> 00:27:43.209
So Lorraine suggested a seance, so they left and they came back like a little while later.

00:27:43.700 --> 00:27:50.150
So, this is their second visit of the home Gotcha and Carolyn says that she wants to know what's happening.

00:27:50.150 --> 00:27:53.688
So yes, let's do a seance, Sure because she's the one being affected the most.

00:27:53.688 --> 00:27:55.884
Roger is skeptical.

00:27:55.884 --> 00:27:59.769
Skeptical, but he also agrees because he's no, he knows his wife is suffering.

00:27:59.769 --> 00:28:05.246
Yeah, so during the seance, an unforeseen force takes hold of carolyn.

00:28:05.246 --> 00:28:18.781
The force picks her up from the chair and throws her back down onto the floor that couldn't have felt good and then she started speaking in tongues, like just a language that nobody knew, right?

00:28:19.784 --> 00:28:23.490
roger is downright petrified, right?

00:28:23.490 --> 00:28:31.932
So roger stands up and tries to run to carolyn, but ed stops roger from intervening as he could make carolyn and the situation worse.

00:28:31.932 --> 00:28:34.265
Roger ends up punching ed.

00:28:34.265 --> 00:28:34.965
Oh dear dear.

00:28:34.965 --> 00:28:35.748
And goes to her.

00:28:35.748 --> 00:28:42.319
The seance ends and Roger kicks Ed and Lorraine Warren out and tells them never to come back.

00:28:43.141 --> 00:28:44.646
Well, I feel like that was a mistake.

00:28:45.682 --> 00:28:49.138
The family continued to live in the house until 1980.

00:28:49.138 --> 00:28:49.299
Oh wow.

00:28:49.299 --> 00:28:54.324
And then is when the haunting ceased 1980, it stopped.

00:28:54.241 --> 00:28:55.096
Yeah, I didn't find any information on what happened in between those times.

00:28:55.096 --> 00:28:55.984
Then is when the haunting ceased 1980 it stopped.

00:28:55.903 --> 00:28:59.332
Yeah, I didn't find any information on what happened in between those times.

00:28:59.779 --> 00:29:05.759
That's too bad, because I feel like, especially knowing that in 1980 the haunting stopped.

00:29:06.582 --> 00:29:07.625
Because they moved out of the house.

00:29:07.625 --> 00:29:10.587
They ended up moving in 1980.

00:29:11.088 --> 00:29:13.246
Do you know, did somebody else move in then?

00:29:14.021 --> 00:29:16.230
I did not include that as part of my research.

00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:24.146
She's shaking her head at me because I ask questions that she can't answer and she gets frustrated that she can't answer.

00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.990
I try to anticipate what you're going to ask, and it never works.

00:29:30.121 --> 00:29:31.567
I'm keeping her on her toes, folks.

00:29:32.560 --> 00:29:35.249
So we're going to move on to 1974.

00:29:35.490 --> 00:29:35.730
Okay.

00:29:35.730 --> 00:29:40.742
And we're going to visit to 1974.

00:29:40.742 --> 00:29:41.766
Okay, and we're gonna visit jerry and laura gooden.

00:29:41.766 --> 00:29:42.667
Jerry and laura gooden and where do they?

00:29:42.688 --> 00:29:42.768
live.

00:29:42.768 --> 00:29:54.663
They live in bridgeport, connecticut okay and this is actually the same town that ed grew up in oh nice yeah, okay, so the warrens were actually called by a friend to come over to this house.

00:29:54.663 --> 00:30:00.575
It's on Lynn Lindley street, lynn Lindley, and the woman's like you've got to see this.

00:30:00.575 --> 00:30:03.328
I think she was a psychic medium or a friend of theirs.

00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:04.804
You've got to come see this.

00:30:04.944 --> 00:30:10.911
Sure, when they arrived, the house was surrounded by police officers and firefighters.

00:30:10.911 --> 00:30:19.854
Oh wow, the warrants have recordings of police confirming that in the house they saw TVs move.

00:30:19.854 --> 00:30:28.528
There are three recliners like open and close, like they would lift out their feet Right, the foot rest part yeah.

00:30:29.121 --> 00:30:33.567
It would open and close by itself, and they even saw the refrigerator move.

00:30:33.567 --> 00:30:34.782
What Mm-hmm.

00:30:34.782 --> 00:30:50.532
They also have a recording of city engineers that were called in to see if it was maybe something, something weird, electric, electrical somehow did you ever, when you were a kid, call a place and be like, hey, is your refrigerator running?

00:30:50.901 --> 00:30:57.106
I don't think so you should go catch it then I don't think I ever did sorry, but they would be called to see if it was something electrical.

00:30:57.106 --> 00:31:02.051
And in this recording they said to have also seen the whole refrigerator move.

00:31:02.051 --> 00:31:11.557
They stood in this hallway and they saw the refrigerator move from the right side over like through the hallway and into the left side.

00:31:12.098 --> 00:31:12.559
That's weird.

00:31:12.819 --> 00:31:16.428
It would be like we're in my living room right now and I've got a hallway right here.

00:31:16.428 --> 00:31:20.582
It would be like the refrigerator moving from the living room to the kitchen and I'm standing in the hall.

00:31:20.582 --> 00:31:23.767
That's so, okay, okay.

00:31:23.767 --> 00:31:30.525
So the police were like hey, let's get the fuck out of here, can you?

00:31:30.566 --> 00:31:31.367
can you blame them?

00:31:31.367 --> 00:31:31.909
I wouldn't.

00:31:31.909 --> 00:31:39.266
I wouldn't want to be like what the fuck is happening right now so the good ends also called in a priest to do a blessing.

00:31:39.286 --> 00:31:41.090
They're like please, lord, do something about this.

00:31:41.090 --> 00:31:42.102
Do you bring some holy water?

00:31:42.102 --> 00:31:43.886
With him so he too.

00:31:43.886 --> 00:32:03.400
There's a recording of this priest saying that he saw a black mass in this house a black mass like a black hole type mass, no it's more of like um, not quite like a full body figure okay but just like a clump of black, I don't know just almost like a cloudish type thing or something or other.

00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:19.586
Yeah, okay so while conducting interviews at the table um with the cassette tape recording um of ed and lorraine and the family members right, lorraine randomly gets a blister and she and you can hear it in the recording she's like ow, she's like what is that?

00:32:19.586 --> 00:32:25.048
And other people were like it looks like a blister and she's like it feels like I just got a burn.

00:32:27.803 --> 00:32:29.728
Like someone put a cigarette on her, basically.

00:32:29.848 --> 00:32:30.751
Yeah, exactly.

00:32:30.751 --> 00:32:40.743
And Ed was like okay, you need to leave because you're too sensitive for this as a clairvoyant, we need to get it out of this house to protect you.

00:32:40.743 --> 00:32:45.391
So Okay, they left behind a fellow investigator named Paul Enno.

00:32:45.672 --> 00:32:47.153
This is a person that worked with the Lawrence.

00:32:47.153 --> 00:32:47.974
Yes, okay, yes.

00:32:49.161 --> 00:32:55.940
He stayed behind and he started noticing an ozone smell Interesting, and then he saw a white smoky fog in ozone smell Interesting.

00:32:55.940 --> 00:32:59.656
And then he saw a white, smoky fog in the kitchen.

00:32:59.656 --> 00:33:04.550
Ooh, he went up against it and he couldn't push through it.

00:33:04.550 --> 00:33:13.756
It was solid but it looked like fog, sure, and he said he could feel a bone structure, like how creepy, like the texture just sounds really creepy.

00:33:14.159 --> 00:33:18.403
Yeah, it's a fog, but he said he could literally feel like bone texture underneath.

00:33:18.403 --> 00:33:20.067
That's strange, yeah.

00:33:20.067 --> 00:33:25.284
So the mist went after the goodin's 10 year old daughter, marcy.

00:33:25.284 --> 00:33:29.972
Okay, marcy was picked up and thrown against the wall by this mist.

00:33:29.972 --> 00:33:30.913
What a dick move.

00:33:31.180 --> 00:33:34.282
They left the house immediately you don't say, say Holy shit.

00:33:35.703 --> 00:33:50.396
Marcy, however, was blamed by the police superintendent on air for making these large furniture items move without even touching them, apparently, and blistering Lorraine's hand by not being near her.

00:33:50.396 --> 00:33:51.806
So they just blamed the daughter.

00:33:51.806 --> 00:33:53.085
Yep, they blamed the daughter.

00:33:53.085 --> 00:33:54.363
What, mm-hmm?

00:33:54.363 --> 00:34:08.420
That's some good fucking police investigation work there so the the superintendent claimed that marcy admitted to banging on the walls to make pictures fall off okay, I can see that, but how the fuck did this kid make a fridge?

00:34:09.463 --> 00:34:12.291
yeah, exactly how would she do that seriously?

00:34:12.291 --> 00:34:15.021
And there's also a video of the giant table being moved to.

00:34:15.061 --> 00:34:22.324
I don't know if it's part of this investigation or another I'm a pretty big guy, I can move a fridge, but a little girl yeah, 10 years old?

00:34:22.585 --> 00:34:23.367
no way, yeah.

00:34:23.367 --> 00:34:31.856
So ed was frustrated because he knew there were so many eyewitnesses that would have corroborated the family's story.

00:34:31.856 --> 00:34:45.489
There's police, there's fire officers, there's civil engineers, there's priests all of them corroborated what this family is experiencing but yet they blame the little girl and they continue to say no, this was a hoax, good lord.

00:34:46.070 --> 00:34:55.873
so ed did get some validation because the police, um the police station, did offer the police officers to be recorded, which is what I referred to.

00:34:55.873 --> 00:35:01.625
So there was some validation for Ed a little bit, but the public was still skeptical.

00:35:01.664 --> 00:35:02.186
Well, sure.

00:35:02.728 --> 00:35:02.927
Yeah.

00:35:03.949 --> 00:35:04.833
That's wild yeah.

00:35:05.481 --> 00:35:06.465
Isn't that a crazy story?

00:35:06.465 --> 00:35:07.228
Yeah?

00:35:08.342 --> 00:35:09.143
I mean.

00:35:09.143 --> 00:35:26.454
So part of my problem with these stories is the fact that obviously I wasn't there and I understand these people believe what they saw, kind of thing yeah but like, really is that what happened?

00:35:27.036 --> 00:35:39.333
it's, it's really, but at least okay so that compared to the annabelle doll yeah, yeah um, they saw these objects moving.

00:35:39.894 --> 00:35:48.264
That dude who got scratched by annabelle lou probably scratched himself in his sleep yeah, he just doesn't know even if he was just dreaming.

00:35:48.264 --> 00:35:53.829
He dreamt the annabelle doll was climbing up and he was scratching at himself to remove her or something.

00:35:53.829 --> 00:35:57.882
Yeah, exactly okay, that is explainable in real world.

00:35:57.882 --> 00:36:04.001
But if these people saw a fucking fridge move from one room to another, how do you explain that?

00:36:04.222 --> 00:36:17.634
yeah but again, I wasn't there have to be very unlevel, I mean you'd like to think an earthquake shook it to the other room, but I don't know how many earthquakes it get in Rhode Island, but either way I don't know.

00:36:17.634 --> 00:36:23.050
Again, I want to believe, but I'm skeptical Same.

00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:36.768
Yeah, I want to believe that there's something out there, but my logical brain says probably not, because again we're more on the scientific mindset, if you will so we're going to move on to the Warren's more famous case.

00:36:37.110 --> 00:36:37.351
Okay.

00:36:37.740 --> 00:36:41.628
I mean, the last couple were fairly famous and we'll kind of talk a little bit about that later.

00:36:41.628 --> 00:36:44.606
Right, we're going to go to Amityville, New York.

00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:46.181
Yeah, Amityville Horror.

00:36:46.521 --> 00:36:48.804
Mm-hmm, so on Wednesday November.

00:36:49.144 --> 00:36:50.027
I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:36:50.027 --> 00:36:54.777
Are they a part of, like you know, of the movie Amityville, right?

00:36:54.878 --> 00:36:55.038
Yes.

00:36:55.664 --> 00:36:57.331
And the Amityville horror, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:57.331 --> 00:36:58.889
Yes, is that based on them?

00:36:59.570 --> 00:37:03.811
I will tell you oh sweet, so we're going to go to Amityville, new York.

00:37:03.811 --> 00:37:31.990
We are when, on Wednesday November 18th 1974, at just 23 years old, ron DeFeor killed his entire family well, that seems like a six family members all asleep in their bed oh, good lord defao then walked to a nearby bar and claimed that his family had been shot, what like, like he just happened upon them.

00:37:32.050 --> 00:37:32.891
That's a dick move.

00:37:32.891 --> 00:37:41.201
So a few of his friends went back with him to look at the situation when they saw the bodies and they called the police immediately.

00:37:41.201 --> 00:37:42.041
I would hope so.

00:37:42.061 --> 00:37:42.181
Yeah.

00:37:42.644 --> 00:37:48.898
So originally the police thought it was a mob hit because, the DeFeo family had some connections to organized crime.

00:37:48.898 --> 00:38:03.038
Oh really, ronald DeFeo Sr, his uncle, was a captain in the Genovese crime family, really and this connection led police to speculate that the family might have been involved in illegal activities that could have attracted the attention of the mob.

00:38:03.038 --> 00:38:04.079
Sure makes sense.

00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.615
So Ron was actually taken into protective custody.

00:38:08.505 --> 00:38:08.826
Wow.

00:38:08.826 --> 00:38:11.994
So he used his family's kind of.

00:38:12.846 --> 00:38:15.112
I don't know if he did or if the police just assumed.

00:38:15.112 --> 00:38:15.875
Just assumed okay.

00:38:15.875 --> 00:38:28.735
But while in custody Ron Jr's story seemed to change and details weren't adding up and he eventually confessed Sure, and he said that once he started he couldn't stop.

00:38:28.735 --> 00:38:31.152
The voices told him to do it.

00:38:31.152 --> 00:38:32.811
That seems like a cop-out.

00:38:32.811 --> 00:38:38.449
It seems like he's mentally ill, yeah 100% Not possessed.

00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:42.557
not these voices made this entity made me do it.

00:38:42.557 --> 00:38:46.576
He was fucking mentally ill and killed his family because he was a douchebag.

00:38:48.704 --> 00:38:53.431
So Ronald DeFeo Jr was accused of six second-degree murders.

00:38:53.431 --> 00:38:57.639
Second degree, yeah, because it wasn't planned, I guess.

00:39:03.186 --> 00:39:05.106
He was to have six consecutive terms of 25 years to life.

00:39:05.306 --> 00:39:10.612
Okay, so he actually did die in prison at the age of 69 on March 12, 2021.

00:39:10.612 --> 00:39:11.353
Oh, wow, so just three years ago.

00:39:11.353 --> 00:39:12.094
It wasn't that long ago, yeah crazy.

00:39:12.114 --> 00:39:14.074
The cause of death has just three years ago it wasn't that long ago, crazy.

00:39:14.175 --> 00:39:15.797
The cause of death has not been released.

00:39:16.297 --> 00:39:17.798
Maybe the voices did.

00:39:17.898 --> 00:39:20.541
And I know that was a question you were going to ask how did he die?

00:39:20.541 --> 00:39:21.702
It was not released.

00:39:21.702 --> 00:39:25.713
I beat you to that one About time.

00:39:25.713 --> 00:39:30.016
The house in Amityville remained empty for about 13 months.

00:39:30.724 --> 00:39:32.311
Is this what the movie is based off of?

00:39:33.393 --> 00:39:38.686
Yes, about 13 months.

00:39:38.686 --> 00:39:39.608
Is this what the movie is based off of?

00:39:39.608 --> 00:39:39.869
Yes, oh shit.

00:39:39.869 --> 00:39:39.971
Okay.

00:39:39.971 --> 00:39:40.652
So enter the lutz family.

00:39:40.652 --> 00:39:40.893
Lutz, okay.

00:39:40.893 --> 00:39:44.644
George and kathleen and kathleen's three children from a previous marriage okay.

00:39:44.644 --> 00:40:05.347
During this time, new york state law did not require realtors to disclose deaths that occur on the property that's fucked up however, they were told oh really, yes, this woman had morals oh well, good for her so I actually did read in a few different cases that they were told and they weren't told but.

00:40:05.367 --> 00:40:17.601
I think definitively, they were told okay and because and because this house was significantly reduced in price, they went for it.

00:40:17.601 --> 00:40:27.985
So, regardless, the house started around $115,000, but the Lutz got it for $80,000.

00:40:28.385 --> 00:40:29.550
And then you said 81?

00:40:29.550 --> 00:40:31.889
Is that what you said?

00:40:31.889 --> 00:40:32.311
What?

00:40:32.311 --> 00:40:33.094
What year?

00:40:33.094 --> 00:40:39.605
74.

00:40:39.605 --> 00:40:41.128
Oh, I'm sorry, 1974.

00:40:41.128 --> 00:40:47.322
1974, oh, 1974, oh, this one's in 74, yeah, but I mean even 150 000, 115 000 and 81 god why do you keep saying 81 um, so 74?

00:40:47.342 --> 00:41:00.391
that that's 74 was um, with ron defao said this would be 75 when that left moved in okay, but either way mid 70s 115 000 when they paid 80, that's over 500 000 today a lot for a house at that time.

00:41:01.072 --> 00:41:02.255
And even the 80 yeah that's.

00:41:02.255 --> 00:41:09.782
That's still a pricey house at that stage of the yeah, so history if it were today, I'd be over 500 000.

00:41:09.842 --> 00:41:18.527
However, the house because of the history yep is worth 1.4 to 1.9 million dollars if someone will pay that.

00:41:18.527 --> 00:41:26.528
So the let's family called in a priest to bless the house okay and he was supposedly slapped across the face.

00:41:26.528 --> 00:41:29.293
The priest was the priest was by who?

00:41:29.293 --> 00:41:31.556
An unknown entity.

00:41:31.556 --> 00:41:35.420
They would see black ooze drip down the walls.

00:41:36.487 --> 00:41:37.351
That's a mold problem.

00:41:37.864 --> 00:41:43.257
They had foul smells that would permeate throughout the house, despite trying to get rid of them.

00:41:43.538 --> 00:41:43.737
Okay.

00:41:44.465 --> 00:41:50.103
They heard disembodied voices, footsteps and other strange sounds throughout the house.

00:41:50.103 --> 00:42:05.454
Wow, the temperature in the house would suddenly drop or rise without explanation, even in the middle of summer oh geez the letses claim to see have seen ghostly figures, including a woman in a flowing white dress and a demonic face in the attic window.

00:42:05.454 --> 00:42:13.900
Oh nice, and there was a pig-like creature with glowing red eyes, that would appear a pig like creature.

00:42:13.940 --> 00:42:22.644
Yes, wow, yes, okay members of the family experience very vivid nightmares and episodes of sleep paralysis.

00:42:22.644 --> 00:42:26.576
Really, they literally lasted 28 days in this house.

00:42:26.576 --> 00:42:36.172
Holy shit, that's it they left everything they're like we're peace, we're out they didn't take a toothbrush, a pair of underwear, a snack, nothing.

00:42:36.172 --> 00:42:38.360
They literally left the house can you blame them?

00:42:38.380 --> 00:42:39.164
they never went back.

00:42:39.164 --> 00:42:40.047
It would have been possessed.

00:42:40.047 --> 00:42:42.735
I don't want to brush my teeth with a possessed toothbrush they literally.

00:42:42.815 --> 00:42:59.148
It literally looked like they just went to work or run errands and come back like there was nothing gone yeah, they literally went to on their day, their regular day, and said nope yeah wow so after they moved out, um, the let's went to the media.

00:42:59.148 --> 00:43:07.989
Okay, they went to channel five in new york and one of the reporters was actually working on a story about paranormal, paranormal events.

00:43:07.989 --> 00:43:11.634
And she's like, heck, yeah, let's do this, I'll take that story um.

00:43:11.653 --> 00:43:14.356
The reporter's name is laura didio.

00:43:14.356 --> 00:43:28.414
Didio and the reporter is how the warrens found out about this case okay the reporter organized a meeting with george let's and the warrens and he described what happened in the house.

00:43:28.594 --> 00:43:37.219
All right, so the warrens went to investigate sure did the very first time that they went, lorraine took a relic with her that had been blessed by many priests.

00:43:37.219 --> 00:43:46.163
As she climbed the stairs, she was forced to stop on the landing before continuing up, so it was like a 90 degree turn type of stair.

00:43:46.163 --> 00:43:48.572
Okay, so there was a landing right at that corner.

00:43:48.773 --> 00:43:49.014
Right.

00:43:49.014 --> 00:43:55.373
She said it felt like a force was holding her back, almost like a waterfall was holding her back.

00:43:55.373 --> 00:43:56.925
Almost like a waterfall was holding her back.

00:43:56.925 --> 00:44:01.875
The weight of water like on her body was keeping her from moving forward.

00:44:01.875 --> 00:44:08.673
Okay, at the very same time, ed, who's going down into the basement, feels the same force.

00:44:08.673 --> 00:44:10.998
He even described it as water.

00:44:10.998 --> 00:44:19.072
It felt like water was being forced down onto his head and his shoulders and he ended up falling down the stairs.

00:44:19.393 --> 00:44:20.235
At least he made it down.

00:44:21.025 --> 00:44:27.393
And he had a crucifix with him and he got all like, leave me in the name of the Lord, etc.

00:44:27.393 --> 00:44:27.875
Etc.

00:44:27.875 --> 00:44:29.257
Right, oh Lord, okay.

00:44:29.257 --> 00:44:32.494
So they ended up surviving.

00:44:32.494 --> 00:44:35.588
Obviously, they left the house Two weeks later.

00:44:35.588 --> 00:44:38.668
They would return again, this time with the reporter.

00:44:38.668 --> 00:44:41.735
Oh Laura, what did I say, laura Didio?

00:44:42.115 --> 00:44:42.878
Didio yeah.

00:44:42.918 --> 00:44:43.077
Mm-hmm.

00:44:43.077 --> 00:44:57.210
There were other paranormal investigators and psychics with their friend, mary Pascarella, and she was the one that called ed originally out to um the parent household gotcha.

00:44:57.210 --> 00:45:13.675
So she was a part of the seance and the reporter was, as well as a few other people that would work with the warrens okay so they held a seance and, based on what the reporter said, lorraine felt a demonic presence almost immediately once they got into the seance.

00:45:13.916 --> 00:45:15.259
I just want to be like oh, of course you did.

00:45:15.784 --> 00:45:25.661
The other psychic, mary Pasquarella, felt that there was a warlock who was there at the house as it was being built in 1927-28.

00:45:25.661 --> 00:45:28.489
I saw two different dates on this one so side note.

00:45:28.489 --> 00:45:31.829
So just a man who was practicing witchcraft, essentially.

00:45:32.028 --> 00:45:32.610
No, I get that.

00:45:32.610 --> 00:45:41.139
So when we were little, my dad would always go I am the wizard, Because he would get something done or whatever.

00:45:41.139 --> 00:45:46.369
Yeah, and I'm like don't you mean warlock, Sorry.

00:45:46.730 --> 00:45:47.291
That's okay.

00:45:47.291 --> 00:45:55.826
So this warlock, mary said, brought a lot of negative energy and dark energy with him, I would expect.

00:45:55.826 --> 00:46:10.067
However, they said that they did not quote reach the other side like the other like they didn't quite get through through the portal, I guess yeah but many of the witnesses actually felt really sick afterwards well, I mean.

00:46:10.568 --> 00:46:12.851
so maybe they ate some bad shrimp, I don't know.

00:46:13.271 --> 00:46:26.139
Right after the seance a cameraman went up to that same, landing on the stairs that Lorraine was on, okay, and he ended up grasping his chest in an obscene amount of pain and keeled over.

00:46:26.139 --> 00:46:31.733
He survived, but it was such a huge pain in his chest.

00:46:31.733 --> 00:46:41.436
The reporter said she literally saw the blood fall out of his face so maybe he had a heart attack, it's possible or a stroke or something, yeah right.

00:46:42.157 --> 00:46:59.119
So after this experience, mary pasquarello refused to go to any other haunted house you don't say she died in 2011, um, but there were um stories of her helping police officers as a psychic during investigations.

00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:03.215
So she kind of continued that path but never did more haunted house stuff.

00:47:03.215 --> 00:47:04.418
I don't blame her.

00:47:04.418 --> 00:47:14.697
So the Lettses let the bank foreclose on their house and they moved to California and the Warrens stayed in contact because Do tell.

00:47:14.697 --> 00:47:18.791
There ended up being a book about them and a movie about them.

00:47:20.969 --> 00:47:22.755
And payday the Amityville Horror.

00:47:22.976 --> 00:47:23.195
Mm-hmm.

00:47:23.195 --> 00:47:34.699
So the Lutzes provided the author, jay Anson, with over 45 hours of audio recordings and, based off of the audio recordings, he the amityville horror.

00:47:34.699 --> 00:47:35.483
That's crazy.

00:47:35.483 --> 00:47:56.869
Yeah, so they didn't necessarily speak directly to each other, but they handed off all of their recordings, gotcha okay so the warrens were actually not mentioned in either of the book or the movie sure but they still catapulted to stardom because of it, yes, because they were associated with it, even not in those avenues.

00:47:57.030 --> 00:48:01.987
Yes, gotcha so they were asked for interviews, speaking engagements and college lectures.

00:48:01.987 --> 00:48:13.059
Wow, and that's where they would play audio clips and video clips and pictures, like they would have all sorts of proof in their minds proof yeah, proof is very loosely used there.

00:48:13.059 --> 00:48:16.445
Yeah, in my opinion of of like what they have encountered right.

00:48:16.445 --> 00:48:36.280
So, of course come, the fans come, but also the critics come, of course as they should, because very suspect, very like, really did this happen yeah so to appease them, Lorraine actually went to UCLA and was tested for her clairvoyance.

00:48:36.724 --> 00:48:38.251
How do you test for clairvoyance?

00:48:38.271 --> 00:48:38.914
I don't know.

00:48:38.914 --> 00:48:46.099
However, she went to a Dr, thelma Moss, who became a parapsychologist.

00:48:46.525 --> 00:48:49.052
Is that like the Thelma from Thelma and Louise?

00:48:49.052 --> 00:48:53.534
Anyways, I like derailing Kate's flow.

00:48:53.534 --> 00:48:55.146
Anyways, I like derailing.

00:48:55.226 --> 00:48:55.746
Kate's flow.

00:48:55.746 --> 00:49:04.795
So with these tests, Lorraine is known as a light trance medium, light, trance medium, and what does that all entail?

00:49:04.795 --> 00:49:12.101
So it is a medium where you can be in a psychic trance, but you are partially aware of what's going on around you.

00:49:12.101 --> 00:49:27.644
So that's what they labeled Lorraine, as as there is also a deep trance medium okay and those are where a spirit guy comes through and that person has no idea what's being said basically, the spirit is controlling you yes, you don't know what's going on.

00:49:27.664 --> 00:49:31.913
Yes, okay so she's the light version of that, where she has some control.

00:49:31.913 --> 00:49:40.313
Control, yes exactly so she is said to have had a, but well above average abilities again.

00:49:40.313 --> 00:49:43.679
So quote-unquote proof of her clairvoyance.

00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:52.239
Is it though, so by the 1990s they were the world's most sought-after paranormal investigators?

00:49:52.318 --> 00:49:54.610
so because no one else was doing it so get this.

00:49:54.650 --> 00:49:59.641
They create a ghost school ghost school yeah, and they.

00:49:59.641 --> 00:50:07.847
They would have people come in and learn their ways, essentially, and continue on with their investigations how do you teach clairvoyance?

00:50:07.847 --> 00:50:10.331
I don't think it's so much that it.

00:50:10.331 --> 00:50:13.356
It's like here's the equipment and here's how you investigate.

00:50:13.978 --> 00:50:20.657
I know I just have to say it's like well, if you don't have that, what's the fucking point?

00:50:21.164 --> 00:50:23.052
There are other ways, jesus.

00:50:23.505 --> 00:50:25.072
Okay, I'm going to bring this up then real quick.

00:50:25.072 --> 00:50:33.056
I'm sure you've at least seen or for sure have heard of all those TV shows, right?

00:50:33.237 --> 00:50:35.690
Yes, where it's like they're blown out of proportion.

00:50:36.344 --> 00:50:38.431
Paranormal investigations, blah, blah, blah.

00:50:38.431 --> 00:50:39.735
Did you hear that?

00:50:39.735 --> 00:50:44.012
And they'll play something that they heard and they literally say it sounded like.

00:50:44.012 --> 00:50:48.572
But they're saying that, so that's what you think it said.

00:50:48.572 --> 00:50:52.474
Yeah, they don't ever let you make your own fucking decision on it.

00:50:52.474 --> 00:50:55.853
And do you know how many ghosts they found on all of those shows?

00:50:55.853 --> 00:50:56.494
Probably none.

00:50:56.494 --> 00:50:58.070
Literally fucking zero.

00:50:58.070 --> 00:51:03.077
Yeah, because it's all just spooky.

00:51:03.077 --> 00:51:05.913
Let's play with their mind.

00:51:06.166 --> 00:51:07.349
I still find it entertaining.

00:51:07.469 --> 00:51:14.036
I understand that, and that's all it is, though, and my point is it's entertainment, that's all it's there for.

00:51:14.036 --> 00:51:16.719
And my point is it's entertainment, that's all it's there for, it's not for actuality.

00:51:17.505 --> 00:51:25.179
So the purpose of these students in ghost school were to go into homes and buildings and observe and report back to the Warrens.

00:51:25.179 --> 00:51:28.585
They weren't to really do any investigative work yeah.

00:51:28.585 --> 00:51:39.065
They would just go in, observe and talk to the family and like, okay, here are warrants, here's the evidence that we found, and the warrants would decide whether or not they would take the case.

00:51:39.284 --> 00:51:48.090
So basically, they're seeing the relevance of their findings and be like no, throw that one out, throw that one out, yeah, possibility.

00:51:48.090 --> 00:51:50.664
Yeah exactly that's kind of lame.

00:51:51.025 --> 00:51:54.835
So in 2001, ed suffers a massive stroke.

00:51:54.835 --> 00:52:00.257
Oh, his heart stopped and they had to use the AUD paddles to restart his heart.

00:52:00.257 --> 00:52:05.556
He ended up in a coma for about 11 weeks and he never really was the same.

00:52:05.556 --> 00:52:13.117
Oh wow, lorraine cared for Ed, moved his arms and his body to avoid bed sores.

00:52:13.237 --> 00:52:14.079
Keep him moving, yeah.

00:52:14.806 --> 00:52:16.172
He would change his catheter.

00:52:16.172 --> 00:52:18.510
He would or she would.

00:52:18.510 --> 00:52:18.871
She would.

00:52:18.985 --> 00:52:20.050
She would change his catheter.

00:52:20.050 --> 00:52:21.451
Why didn't the fucking doctors do that?

00:52:22.644 --> 00:52:24.652
I'm assuming that she was at home with him.

00:52:24.652 --> 00:52:25.213
I don't know.

00:52:25.213 --> 00:52:32.974
Got her again, folks Five years after his stroke on August 23, 2006, Ed passed away.

00:52:33.474 --> 00:52:34.878
Oh wow, 18 years ago.

00:52:35.137 --> 00:52:40.896
Then Warner Brothers called Knock, knock, knock.

00:52:40.896 --> 00:52:43.887
Hey, we want the rights to your lives and your stories.

00:52:43.887 --> 00:52:44.971
We want to produce a movie.

00:52:45.572 --> 00:52:46.275
Oh, look at you.

00:52:47.505 --> 00:52:48.670
In 2003,.

00:52:48.670 --> 00:53:00.876
The movie the Conjuring on the Perrin family case makes it to the box office and they earned $300 million from the box office.

00:53:01.244 --> 00:53:03.574
Well, the movie did, the movie did yeah.

00:53:04.224 --> 00:53:06.414
Lorraine actually was a consultant on the movie.

00:53:06.764 --> 00:53:08.371
Well, I mean, it's about her life.

00:53:09.248 --> 00:53:14.565
So on April 18th 2019, at 92 years old, lorraine passes away.

00:53:14.625 --> 00:53:16.112
Wow, she made it to 92.

00:53:16.112 --> 00:53:18.210
She made it 13 years after Ed huh.

00:53:18.451 --> 00:53:18.670
Yeah.

00:53:18.831 --> 00:53:19.452
That's crazy.

00:53:20.034 --> 00:53:20.836
Supposedly.

00:53:21.565 --> 00:53:22.550
That's just five years ago.

00:53:22.550 --> 00:53:24.289
Holy shit, I didn't realize she lived that long.

00:53:24.349 --> 00:53:33.168
Yeah, Supposedly seen on a security camera, Of course At the Undertaker's oh she floated away.

00:53:33.168 --> 00:53:36.456
You can see small orbs around Lorraine's coffin.

00:53:39.353 --> 00:53:42.527
No, you can't, or it's dust in front of the camera.

00:53:42.527 --> 00:53:43.007
I mean, come on.

00:53:43.710 --> 00:53:46.795
The Warren's son-in-law, who's married to Judy.

00:53:46.795 --> 00:53:48.518
His name is Tony Spira.

00:53:51.784 --> 00:53:52.907
He keeps up with the paranormal investigations.

00:53:52.927 --> 00:53:54.630
Oh, family work, he keeps up with the paranormal investigations oh family work.

00:53:54.630 --> 00:53:59.298
He has a YouTube channel dedicated to Ed and Lorraine Warren called Official Ed and Lorraine Warren Channel.

00:53:59.298 --> 00:54:04.449
I'm sorry, but I feel like he's just cashing in on their fucking name.

00:54:04.449 --> 00:54:09.858
He also heads up the original New England Society for Psychic Research, which was founded by the Warrens.

00:54:10.887 --> 00:54:12.673
I have the old England one.

00:54:14.731 --> 00:54:17.467
And that site can be found at tony spiracom.

00:54:17.467 --> 00:54:20.851
I adore the conjuring movies.

00:54:20.851 --> 00:54:22.715
I watch them a lot.

00:54:23.014 --> 00:54:32.387
I think I've seen one of them I think it was the first one because there's multiple right okay the first conjuring us off the parent family.

00:54:32.467 --> 00:54:36.923
The second one is off of um, a family in england.

00:54:36.923 --> 00:54:57.567
I did not talk about this case, but it's called the enfield poltergeist, and then they created the annabelle series yes, that's right correct oh, and there's a third, the conjuring movie, and it is based off of a man named arnie johnson who becomes possessed and he ends up killing someone and he actually goes to trial.

00:54:57.567 --> 00:55:04.577
Oh, um, and his um defense is he was possessed.

00:55:04.757 --> 00:55:13.606
Well, that's not a good defense obviously didn't get weird, I wonder why yeah, so that was like one of the more famous cases because it went to trial.

00:55:13.847 --> 00:55:24.277
Sure, no, that makes sense, but I don't know, I just I find it hard to get behind like okay, but I also haven't experienced anything, yeah, Of that nature.

00:55:24.277 --> 00:55:27.260
So that's what makes me skeptical.

00:55:28.605 --> 00:55:29.487
Knock on wood?

00:55:29.487 --> 00:55:31.373
I'm okay, not, but you know what I mean.

00:55:39.965 --> 00:55:40.686
Annabelle, don't come after us, please.

00:55:40.686 --> 00:55:41.148
You know what I mean.

00:55:41.148 --> 00:55:41.690
Don't come after us, please.

00:55:41.690 --> 00:55:53.467
You know what I mean by that, though it's just I haven't experienced it personally, so it's like really did that happen yeah, but again I know, the mind is a funny thing and the mind plays tricks on people and there are illnesses and other things throughout the world that affect people differently yeah that have fucked with people's minds.

00:55:54.570 --> 00:55:56.615
Like, literally, what was the serial killer?

00:55:56.615 --> 00:55:59.891
He said that the neighbor's dog told him to kill these people.

00:55:59.891 --> 00:56:02.688
It's like really, did that really happen, or are you just psychotic?

00:56:02.949 --> 00:56:03.170
Yeah.

00:56:03.411 --> 00:56:04.173
You know kind of thing.

00:56:04.173 --> 00:56:10.597
But again, well, all right, knock on wood, see Superstition.

00:56:10.597 --> 00:56:13.449
But I don't know.

00:56:13.449 --> 00:56:18.414
Interesting though, I mean, they spawned a franchise or a couple.

00:56:18.494 --> 00:56:24.838
Actually, yeah, but I found it really interesting that they didn't ask for any compensation.

00:56:24.838 --> 00:56:27.532
But they got a hell of a lot with those book deals.

00:56:27.853 --> 00:56:33.097
Well right, they clearly made a living doing this because of other avenues of revenue.

00:56:33.097 --> 00:56:42.092
Yeah, exactly, yeah exactly yeah, and well, so she was alive when the first movie came out, right?

00:56:42.092 --> 00:56:44.297
Yes that's do you?

00:56:44.297 --> 00:56:46.987
How wild do you think that was to her to see that?

00:56:48.170 --> 00:57:04.106
I'm sure it was wild, but they took liberties um it's hollywood so the enfield case the second conjuring, they had very, very, very little to do with it, but the movie made it seem like they were involved the entire time.

00:57:04.407 --> 00:57:10.367
Well, yeah, because that's what's gonna sell it yeah, but they were not right so I mean they need to.

00:57:10.588 --> 00:57:15.117
Uh, I don't know and like said the parent family, like, kick the Warrens out.

00:57:15.418 --> 00:57:15.639
Right.

00:57:16.784 --> 00:57:17.666
Never to come back again.

00:57:17.686 --> 00:57:18.949
Yeah, it's like get the fuck out, man.

00:57:19.130 --> 00:57:28.721
Yeah, and in the country, don't come back here no more no more yeah, so so, and then um, in the conjuring movie.

00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:31.501
Besides Scream, you can't use that.

00:57:32.782 --> 00:57:34.083
I love Scream franchise.

00:57:34.702 --> 00:57:36.463
Hence why I said what I just said.

00:57:36.463 --> 00:57:40.034
Yes, what is your favorite horror movie?

00:57:40.425 --> 00:57:43.844
I do really like the Conjuring, however, I will also.

00:57:43.864 --> 00:57:44.849
I feel like that was an easy answer.

00:57:44.909 --> 00:57:45.811
I know Cop out.

00:57:45.811 --> 00:57:47.610
I know which is why I said however Thank you.

00:57:47.610 --> 00:57:50.715
I will also include the movie Sinister.

00:57:51.826 --> 00:57:53.472
You had recently mentioned that to me.

00:57:53.664 --> 00:57:54.230
Yes movie sinister you would.

00:57:54.230 --> 00:57:55.038
You would recently mention that to me.

00:57:55.038 --> 00:58:05.219
Yes, it is with ethan hawke okay and he is an author who moves into the house of a murdered family to investigate.

00:58:05.219 --> 00:58:13.889
But he's writing a book about it, okay, and his family doesn't know that that's the house that they're investigating, any uh, other notable people besides ethan hawke?

00:58:14.050 --> 00:58:19.297
no, okay, fair enough, no, um, but it's a really great movie.

00:58:19.418 --> 00:58:20.378
I really enjoy it.

00:58:20.378 --> 00:58:29.746
I'll have to watch it, I have I think I've seen the second one, but there's more than one yeah, there's two, but I don't remember much about it so, but I really enjoy the first one all right.

00:58:29.786 --> 00:58:40.554
So this is what I ask of hopefully, more than just Al Please send us an email, a voicemail, or send us a text Link on our website.

00:58:40.554 --> 00:58:46.557
I would like someone to send Kate a horror movie suggestion.

00:58:47.298 --> 00:58:48.920
And a book, and a book.

00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:49.739
I need a book.

00:58:50.780 --> 00:58:51.862
A book that will scare her.

00:58:51.862 --> 00:58:52.501
Yes.

00:58:52.521 --> 00:58:52.862
Preferably.

00:58:53.182 --> 00:58:57.507
Preferably need a book, a book that will scare her.

00:58:57.507 --> 00:59:01.554
Yes, um, preferably, but someone please send a book recommendation and or a movie recommendation, because she does love that.

00:59:01.554 --> 00:59:02.998
I am not a big.

00:59:02.998 --> 00:59:06.329
I'm not as big into the horror movies as you are.

00:59:06.329 --> 00:59:19.952
To me they're very predictable and I don't like knowing and I'm not saying all of them are and I haven't seen obviously all of them the ones I've seen are very predictable and I don't like that.

00:59:19.952 --> 00:59:22.077
I want to be surprised, if you will.

00:59:22.077 --> 00:59:33.014
Yeah, like when I saw the Blair Witch in the theater all those years ago, that was pretty cool, but that was before the internet really was big yeah it was in its infancy.

00:59:33.894 --> 00:59:34.697
So they're, and they.

00:59:34.697 --> 00:59:41.481
They did a really good marketing campaign online of making it seem like, hey, this was a real thing.

00:59:41.481 --> 00:59:47.967
Yeah, nobody fucking knew at the time because you didn't have as much information as you do now with how the internet is.

00:59:47.967 --> 00:59:57.572
So that was really cool, although I did go to see it once with somebody and someone was just laughing the whole time so it really took away from the movie, but it was kind of funny at the same time.

00:59:57.945 --> 01:00:01.335
There is another movie I'm thinking of that I really enjoy, which is that.

01:00:01.335 --> 01:00:03.153
It's called the fourth kind.

01:00:03.695 --> 01:00:05.224
the fourth kind I'm not familiar.

01:00:05.365 --> 01:00:09.987
And it's with Mila Jake Jake Jake Jake Jake Jake Jake jankovic.

01:00:09.987 --> 01:00:12.231
She's in some like stargate or something.

01:00:12.231 --> 01:00:15.958
Uh, the fifth element orange head a chick?

01:00:16.746 --> 01:00:23.958
no, um, oh my god, yes, it's mila or something yes, I'm just, I'm losing.

01:00:23.958 --> 01:00:25.867
She also was in days confused.

01:00:25.867 --> 01:00:29.539
We've talked about that before too so this movie is?

01:00:29.721 --> 01:00:35.536
she is a psychiatrist and all of her clients are sharing the same dream.

01:00:35.536 --> 01:00:36.887
Wait, am I mixing?

01:00:36.949 --> 01:00:38.512
up people Shit.

01:00:38.512 --> 01:00:39.396
Okay, go on.

01:00:39.824 --> 01:00:42.771
They all share with this psychiatrist the same dream.

01:00:43.693 --> 01:00:44.233
How many people?

01:00:44.233 --> 01:00:46.177
Five, there's a bunch.

01:00:46.177 --> 01:00:46.998
Okay, gotcha Sorry.

01:00:48.025 --> 01:00:52.356
It's a small town in Alaska and they all know each other, but they don't know what they talk about in session.

01:00:52.356 --> 01:00:56.655
Well, you're not supposed to Exactly, so they all know each other, but they don't know what they talk about in, you know, in session, exactly.

01:00:56.655 --> 01:00:57.699
So they all have the same dream.

01:00:57.699 --> 01:00:57.960
That's weird.

01:00:57.960 --> 01:00:58.443
And what's it called?

01:00:58.463 --> 01:01:07.018
again, I'm sorry, the fourth kind, the fourth kind and it is posed like um blair witch, oh really, and that it's like.

01:01:07.018 --> 01:01:11.416
This is a real story, sure, and here's our here's, here's what it is.

01:01:11.416 --> 01:01:16.208
That's kind of cool, though and it's yeah, it's creepy and I love it fair enough.

01:01:16.429 --> 01:01:19.099
Yeah, that is, that's your jam, though you like.

01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:38.443
You like those creepy, scary, scary-ish movies, but like I also like harry potter and I like kate winslet's um the holiday and I like queen leticia's the last holiday, and I like pride and prejudice and hunger games, and I've got a wide variety of likes.

01:01:38.463 --> 01:01:40.251
Well, I have a wide variety of likes too.

01:01:40.251 --> 01:01:41.153
I just horror.

01:01:41.195 --> 01:02:05.730
Never was really my jam, because yeah, I don't know how I got into it that's okay yeah, because I remember the first time I was gonna watch the original scream I was in like late middle school, early high school, something like that, and I was at a sleepover, oh dear, and her name was sammy um hi sammy um, she put it on like we agreed, let's put it on.

01:02:05.730 --> 01:02:09.789
And before even the first character was killed, I was like shut it off, shut it off.

01:02:09.869 --> 01:02:10.572
I can't handle it.

01:02:10.572 --> 01:02:13.340
She's like okayookie, wookie, that's funny.

01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.690
So I definitely remember that, but I don't know how I actually Got into that series.

01:02:17.690 --> 01:02:19.284
But it's, scream is my favorite.

01:02:19.585 --> 01:02:21.672
And I like a wide variety Of movies as well.

01:02:21.672 --> 01:02:24.413
As you know, I've suggested Quite a few to you.

01:02:24.413 --> 01:02:34.414
It just I never really got Into the horror, and I've seen plenty, yeah, over my life, but they just seem too predictable to me have you seen hereditary?

01:02:35.277 --> 01:02:41.219
I don't think so with tony collette no, I have not that is a freaky, freaky, freaky movie.

01:02:41.219 --> 01:02:49.501
Yeah, the first time I watched it I was like damn, that was good, that was good and scary and okay.

01:02:49.501 --> 01:02:52.088
And I've seen it a couple more times and it's still just freaky.

01:02:52.088 --> 01:02:53.030
Every time is Is there?

01:02:53.070 --> 01:02:53.954
more than one or just the?

01:02:54.094 --> 01:02:54.896
one, just the one.

01:02:55.056 --> 01:02:59.355
Okay, I also really like when horror movies can be a standalone.

01:02:59.835 --> 01:03:00.016
Yeah.

01:03:00.304 --> 01:03:01.610
And not like Halloween.

01:03:01.610 --> 01:03:02.172
23.

01:03:02.172 --> 01:03:04.251
Jason has a baby.

01:03:04.251 --> 01:03:05.320
You know it's like.

01:03:05.766 --> 01:03:06.728
Wrong franchise, but yes.

01:03:07.230 --> 01:03:08.373
You know what I mean, though, michael.

01:03:08.393 --> 01:03:08.693
Myers.

01:03:08.693 --> 01:03:11.751
Thank you, michael Myers has a baby.

01:03:14.726 --> 01:03:23.317
Right, you know what I mean, though it's like, really, and he comes out with a fucking kitchen knife or something whatever.

01:03:23.317 --> 01:03:25.831
Cleaver yeah, a cleaver kind of thing.

01:03:25.831 --> 01:03:32.114
Michael Myers has a baby and he pokes his cheeks in the picture.

01:03:32.114 --> 01:03:35.380
It's like's like come on man.

01:03:35.380 --> 01:03:40.512
Yeah, who did I first say jason?

01:03:40.572 --> 01:03:53.228
yeah, I meant that that's the um uh, that is, uh, you got this oh my god, oh my god, never mind we're being yelled at we're being yelled at uh, friday the 13th is freddie.

01:03:53.228 --> 01:03:53.911
Um, that's nightmare on elm street.

01:03:53.931 --> 01:03:54.938
Okay, then it's friday, the 13th is freddie.

01:03:54.938 --> 01:03:59.253
No, that's nightmare on elm street okay, then it's friday the 13th yeah, that's what it is nightmare on elm street.

01:03:59.253 --> 01:04:07.965
You're right, is friday, the 13th is jason because, like I, remember one, I'm it's, it's the fred, it's like jason in space, space.

01:04:07.965 --> 01:04:08.768
It's like jesus.

01:04:08.768 --> 01:04:16.340
It's like what, what, the fuck I mean they're literally just using the franchise to make any type of money it's like come on, man.

01:04:16.844 --> 01:04:23.152
I really enjoy when horror movies can be a standalone movie.

01:04:23.152 --> 01:04:28.972
They don't need, they aren't bastardized by let's create three or four more.

01:04:28.972 --> 01:04:30.110
Or 20 more.

01:04:30.110 --> 01:04:33.356
Michael Myers has a baby, I'm glad you enjoy that.

01:04:33.356 --> 01:04:34.561
Or 20 more.

01:04:34.561 --> 01:04:37.827
Michael Myers has a baby, I'm glad you enjoy that.

01:04:37.827 --> 01:04:39.168
I feel like it takes away from it.

01:04:39.168 --> 01:04:40.289
Yeah, you know what I mean.

01:04:40.429 --> 01:04:40.849
For sure.

01:04:41.371 --> 01:04:46.655
And, like you know, have you watched any of the Rob Zombie remakes of Halloween?

01:04:47.416 --> 01:04:48.217
Which ones are those?

01:04:48.217 --> 01:04:50.438
Because I've seen quite a few, but not all.

01:04:50.458 --> 01:04:55.847
Well, they're not the original, they're the remakes, I mean.

01:04:55.867 --> 01:04:57.612
I don't know how else to really differentiate that.

01:04:57.632 --> 01:05:05.974
Are they still with jamie lee curtis new, then probably not okay, um, because rob zombie house of a thousand corpses and a couple other movies he's made.

01:05:06.394 --> 01:05:14.458
He also redid the halloween movies because there's newer halloween movies with jamie lee Curtis, correct, and those are not Rob Zombie ones.

01:05:16.146 --> 01:05:19.110
There's a pocket in the middle of all those where he did some.

01:05:19.885 --> 01:05:21.632
Like Halloween 3, Halloween 4.

01:05:21.632 --> 01:05:23.431
I don't think I've ever seen any of those.

01:05:23.746 --> 01:05:26.394
He redid a movie called Halloween.

01:05:26.394 --> 01:05:30.849
It was a remaking of that movie.

01:05:31.264 --> 01:05:36.170
I'm going to have to look this up because I don't want to misspeak and say, no, I haven't, because I've seen a lot of them.

01:05:36.170 --> 01:05:42.925
So okay, rob, what other like horror movies have you seen?

01:05:42.925 --> 01:05:43.907
Have?

01:05:44.208 --> 01:05:44.668
I seen.

01:05:44.668 --> 01:05:49.438
I I don't even know because, again, I don't watch a lot of them.

01:05:49.438 --> 01:06:00.753
I mean, I remember growing up on like the friday, the 13th nightmare on elm street, um all that shit, but I I don't really blair witch.

01:06:00.753 --> 01:06:05.949
Yeah, you know, I don't go out of my way to watch them I don't think I have seen.

01:06:06.751 --> 01:06:07.713
Maybe you should give them a try.

01:06:07.713 --> 01:06:09.356
Yeah, the rob zombie one.

01:06:09.376 --> 01:06:18.012
Yeah I mean I I haven't seen them either myself, but I did try to play so Rob Zombie, hence his name.

01:06:18.012 --> 01:06:20.277
Zombie was in a band called White Zombie.

01:06:20.277 --> 01:06:20.697
Weird.

01:06:20.697 --> 01:06:43.755
I did play Kate, just a remake by White Zombie of I'm your Boogeyman, and I mentioned he used a sample from I think it was from the original Halloween movie, if I'm not mistaken, in the beginning of it where the kids are saying blah, blah, blah, and it's a remake of a KC and the Sunshine Band song I'm your Boogeyman.

01:06:43.755 --> 01:06:45.699
It's pretty funny.

01:06:45.699 --> 01:06:53.137
I like the white zombie version better, but anyways, the original, the KC and the Sunshine Band one is pretty fucking fantastic too.

01:06:53.824 --> 01:06:54.789
You can dance to it.

01:06:54.789 --> 01:06:57.231
Well, I think we need a scary movie-thon now.

01:06:57.713 --> 01:07:03.795
Well, all right, I think I'm going to have Kate try the raised grain one.

01:07:03.795 --> 01:07:07.132
Snakes and Spiders barrel-aged pumpkin it was pretty good.

01:07:07.132 --> 01:07:08.195
Okay, we'll try that.

01:07:08.195 --> 01:07:09.250
I think I need another one too.

01:07:09.250 --> 01:07:17.864
Well, yeah, so cheers to the Warrens RIP.

01:07:17.864 --> 01:07:19.208
Hopefully they're not, I don't know spooking people right now.

01:07:19.248 --> 01:07:21.735
I mean that would be fantastic full circle moment.

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I mean it would be kind of fitting yeah but well, anyways, I suppose all right, buffoons, that's it for today's episode buckle up, because we've got another historical adventure waiting for you.

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