March 4, 2025

Mongel or Mogul?: Annie Oakley

Mongel or Mogul?: Annie Oakley
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Annie Oakley, the legendary sharpshooter, defied all odds to become one of the most recognized figures in American history. This episode reveals how the young girl from Ohio, burdened by personal tragedy, transformed her life through skill, tenacity, and a refusal to be confined by societal norms. Discover her rise to fame in Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show, where she showcased her extraordinary talent while simultaneously paving the way for future generations of women in shooting sports.

We explore the rivalry that defined her career and her fight to clear her name amidst scandal. Annie's journey is not just about marksmanship; it’s a powerful narrative of women’s empowerment, as she taught countless others the importance of self-defense and independence. Join us for an exciting discussion of her life, her challenges, and her substantial impact on history. Don’t forget to send us your feedback—what historical figure inspires you the most? Subscribe and leave a review to support the continued exploration of stories like hers!


https://centerofthewest.org/explore/buffalo-bill/research/annie-oakley/

https://www.historynet.com/annie-oakley/

https://www.herstoryproj.com/post/annie-oakley-a-feminine-force-in-the-masculine-world-of-sharpshooting

https://www.loc.gov/item/00694108/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSTSNq5dOM

https://annieoakleycenterfoundation.com/faq.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1H6lEct6o



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Chapters

13:29 - Legacy and Life Beyond Fame

16:06 - Intro: Oh hey there

38:54 - Anticipating a Graduation in Louisville

48:22 - Craft Beer Adventures in Indiana

02:06:10 - Introducing Phoebe Ann Moses: Annie Oakley

09:50:31 - Annie’s Early Life and Hardships

12:42:19 - Annie's Rise in Buffalo Bill's Wild West

13:09:08 - Transition to Fame as Annie Oakley

19:19:18 - The Rivalry with Lillian Smith

Transcript
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Oh, hey there.

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Oh, hey there.

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Welcome to History, buffoons.

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I'm Bradley.

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I'm Kate and we are on location for the first time.

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This is weird.

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My phone, when you said oh hey there, apparently thought it said oh Siri.

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So let's turn that off because that's not necessary.

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My best friend is graduating tomorrow in Louisville, kentucky yeah, from her doctorate program.

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Yeah, and we needed to podcast at the same time, so we figured let's do it all at once.

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Yeah, I'm so, so, so excited to see her tomorrow.

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Yeah, for sure, and she has been on this academic journey for quite some time.

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Well, most academic journeys take a while.

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Yes, so super proud of her Super proud.

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It's nice that it's coming to an end and she can utilize what she's done and everything.

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Yeah, she's a very nice person, excited to see her again as well.

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Yeah, yeah, very nice person, excited to see her again as well.

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Yeah, yeah, so because we're actually in, very we're over the border Technically, yes, technically in Indiana.

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Yeah.

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And just over the river is Louisville.

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That's how Kate apparently likes to say it.

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And she's been saying it that the whole time.

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Okay, so I'm Nebraskan, I say Louisville, that's how Kate apparently likes to say it and she's been saying it that the whole time.

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Okay so.

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I'm Nebraskan, I say Louisville.

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Well, most people say Louisville.

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Yeah, but the locals, they say Louisville.

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Louisville Mm-hmm, it's like they're having a stroke while they say it.

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Yeah, or they got marbles in their mouth.

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I mean Louisville.

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Tomato, tomato but either way.

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So we went to a liquor store to see what local craft beers they had.

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We did.

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And you did pick one, and then I picked something completely different.

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Well, I picked the one for you because I've had it before.

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You've never had it before.

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No, and it's not.

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It's not available near where we live.

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It's not available in Wisconsin.

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And you're going to have to pronounce it for me, because I still don't.

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You're going to pronounce it first and then I will correct you.

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Yungling, what is?

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it Yungling, yingling, yingling, there it is.

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How is Y-U-E-N-G-L-I-N-G Yuling?

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It's not Yuling, it's Yingling.

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Yingling.

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When I think it's Yingling, it would be Y-I-N-G, not Y-U-E-N.

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But it's not, it's.

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Y-U-E-N.

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Yingling, what Yingling?

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Yes.

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Yingling traditional lager, and I believe it was from Pennsylvania.

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Yes, that sounds right, Hershey Pennsylvania.

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Pottsville, pottsville, that's right.

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Pennsylvania, yeah, they have a.

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I don't remember if it's a porter or what it is, but they have one in collaboration with Hershey.

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It's a chocolate something.

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I don't remember exactly what it is because, again, we don't get it out by us.

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They were supposed to partner up with Molson, coors, miller and Coors and then COVID hit and that all kind of went to shit basically.

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So I don't know if that's still in the works or not, but they were supposed to expand their distribution because they've been mainly East Coast, up and down North South East Coast, whatever, because I think you can get it in Florida, not sure you can get it further north.

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Not exactly sure how far, but it's been trickling its way west over the last few years.

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I believe it might be available in Illinois now.

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I'm not sure Again, I don't know.

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I've been out of the business for a little bit.

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So apparently it is America's oldest brewery.

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I believe that's correct Oldest family run or something like that it says since 1829.

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Yeah, which is older than Miller, which is older than Budweiser, all that.

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So it's been around for a long time.

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I believe it's still within that family as well.

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It's been through generations, if I'm not mistaken.

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I could be wrong, but you like lagers?

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It's a traditional lager, so I said you should try this one.

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All right, what do you got?

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I have a Cold Hammer Highball.

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So the brewery, or distillery brewery, is a Cold Hammer, it's called a Highball.

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It's a bourbon whiskey with soda water and natural lemon flavor 7%.

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But this one is from what did I say?

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Yeah, this is from Indianapolis, produced by West Fork Whiskey Company in Indianapolis, indiana.

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Very nice.

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So very local to the area there we go.

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Mine is a bottle, so it is already open.

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I already opened it for her, but cheers to you.

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Cheers.

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Tastes like a traditional lager.

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Tastes like weird.

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Yeah, you can taste a little bit of bourbon in it, but I feel like I taste more of the soda water than I want to.

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I don't taste a ton of lemon, but yeah, so just a little too much soda.

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It's weird because you get an initial flavor and then it bottoms out and then it finishes with maybe a hint of lemon.

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Not very much, so it's really quite strange.

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But again, maybe, like the beatbox, it'll get better by the third one.

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Hey, speaking of beatbox, I was told never to have carbless again.

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Speaking of beatbox, no, you've been banned from having carbless ever again.

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I was going to try a third time because my colleague I told her the situation she's like no, no, no, you have to try the pineapple.

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And I was like why didn't you tell me this from the start?

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I thought you told me to try the situation.

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She's like no, no, no, you have to try the pineapple.

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And I was like why didn't you tell me this from the start?

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I thought you told me to try the traditional.

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So I did, and she's like no, no, no, the pineapple, no.

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Here's what's going to happen You're going to leave all the pineapple to your friend, okay, and you're not going to fucking touch one, because it's been a disaster every single time that you've tried it, and it's only been twice, and that is two times too many for you.

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Yes, so we're not going to do carbless anymore.

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No carbless.

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Sorry to carbless.

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If you sponsor the podcast, we'll change our tune instantly.

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I'm just kidding.

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It's just not for everybody and, like you said, you don't like that fake sugar, sweetener or whatever stuff for it.

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So no, it's just not for you.

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I know it wouldn't be for me, but no more, no more.

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No more.

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So I am also in the middle of a cold Under the weather, so if you hear sniffles or coughing, that is Kate, my apologies.

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Yeah, it happens.

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Yes, so we're in Indiana Tomorrow.

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We're going to go to Kentucky.

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Yep.

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And you've never been to either.

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I've never been this way.

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No, most of the time when my family traveled, we either went west and drove a lot I mean, we flew to many places but drove a lot out to colorado, whatever and we only took one trip, as far as I know really, to the east coast and we flew.

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So I've never driven through this, I've never been to indiana in my life, I've never been to kentucky and you've never been to ohio never been to ohio and that is where our story takes place.

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Oh snap, I know well, look at that, tie it right into life look at that cheers to that so we are going to talk about phoebe and moses phoebe and moses yes, her last name has changed throughout the history books, that seems weird.

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Sometimes it's Mosey M-O-S-E-Y, oh so it might just be a misspelling, or something, yeah, or when people were starting to get married, they changed it to make it less immigrant, kind of a thing did you ever know anyone who got married that took on like?

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I feel like it's more of a south thing, but only because I?

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I'm thinking of one person in particular.

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Where the female gets married, they take them the, their husband's name, but then their, their maiden name, becomes their middle name.

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Have you ever seen that?

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um, no, not quite.

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I have a friend who her maiden name is already a hyphen name from her parents.

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Yeah, because her parents were lawyers and they both had kept their names, which makes sense, so hers was hyphened.

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And did she hyphen it again, and then she hyphened it again.

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So she has three last names.

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Because she is a doctor now, an oral surgeon or something now.

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So she kept her original name as well and hyphened it.

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Last I heard it's been a little bit.

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That's fine.

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It just seems like a lot of names?

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Yeah, it's a lot of names.

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Hey, paging doctor, oh, this is too long, just come here.

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Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of names.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean I have three last names, so this is my first, middle and last name brad is a bradley bradley is a last name yeah I didn't know that alan bradley.

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Yeah, who you're not from wisconsin, so okay, so phoebe and moses, phoebe and moses or Mosey, or whatever iteration you want to come up with.

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Exactly so.

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She was born in August in 1860.

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Okay, okay, she was born to Jacob and Susan Moses, who were Quakers.

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Quakers.

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And they migrated from Pennsylvania and they rented a farm in Drake County, Ohio.

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Okay, it's actually right on the Indiana border.

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Oh well, there you go, I know Fancy.

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So back then, Jacob Moses, and see I wrote Mosey in here.

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So you don't know which one to use.

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So back then, jacob Moses was the only one bringing home the bacon.

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Sure, he was farming in Willow Dell, which is about 14 miles away from where they were living.

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Okay, and he barely made enough money to keep his wife and his seven kids fed.

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Holy Well maybe he shouldn't have had so many kids yeah, seven kids.

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But they were saving up for some land.

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But then Jacob ends up dying when Phoebebe is six years old, oh dear.

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So he was on his way back from farming when a blizzard came through just out of nowhere, just a blizzard, like was it winter no, it was more like wizard of oz and the tornado just kind of showed up so the blizzards showed up?

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yeah, exactly, exactly so the blizzard came through, he had frostbite, his hands were frozen, he couldn't speak and he ended up with pneumonia and just didn't recover yeah, that, that makes sense, especially for 1860 you said yeah.

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So his wife susan was left with absolutely nothing yeah and they had to move to a tiny place.

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And to make things worse, their eldest daughter, mary jane, got sick and died of tuberculosis.

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Oh geez, yeah.

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So susan had to sell everything that they owned, even their milk cow, just to cover their bills, right, sure so phoebe's mother, susan, ended up remarrying and he also died soon, but they had a baby in between, so she's got this other kid.

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She's back to seven.

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Yeah, jesus yeah.

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Okay.

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So, to try to make ends meet, susan worked as a nurse at the Drake County Infirmary in Ohio during 1866 and 1867.

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And it was basically a place for the elderly, orphans, people with mental health issues, and she made about $1.25 a week, which is about $25 a week Today.

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Today.

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That is terrible.

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Yeah.

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So life was tough.

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Well, yeah, Getting out of poverty was tough yeah still is, and yeah, so life was tough Well yeah, getting out of poverty was tough.

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Yeah, still is.

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And little Phoebe decided to take her dad's rifle above the fireplace, loaded it up with so much gunpowder and aimed it outside at a rabbit or a squirrel, unknown, different accounts.

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Fair enough, off in the distance, right Fired, hit it Smack dab in the head.

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Yeah.

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So the gun actually kicked back and she broke her nose.

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Oh Jesus, but she got some food on the table for her family that day.

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Well yeah, she became a hunter, little Miss Phoebe Ann Moses is Annie Oakley.

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I was just gonna say it's gotta be Annie.

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Oakley, it's Annie Oakley.

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Jesus, you're not excited.

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How did you guess that it was Annie Oakley?

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Because Phoebe Ann Moses, Ann Annie Oakley, I just it's really that quite simple.

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I thought it was clever.

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Well, if you think about it, time frame wise.

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If you know of her time frame, I suppose and I do.

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I mean, I don't know much about her.

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I know of the basic time frame and so on, but well, we'll get into this when we learn more.

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But I just put it it together.

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That was my guess, but you beat me to it.

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So maybe I should just ask you next time who am I talking about?

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anyway, it's amy oakley why don't you next time see if you can guess, make me guess.

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So she was actually called annie instead of phoebe right growing up, sure, so so Annie was pretty much always her name, but I wanted to throw you off well.

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I mean, which didn't work.

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If that's her proper name, though, so yes it makes sense to.

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To start with that so yeah, so she went by.

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Annie, moses, okay, okay.

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So it wasn't enough that that Annie would like put some food on the table, susan.

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Susan was still forced to send eight-year-old Annie to live at the infirmary.

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Oh really, she had to actually go live there.

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Yes, she actually took another sister with her.

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Did you say in the order of children.

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Where is she?

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Do you know?

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Because obviously I don't recall, I think she was third or fourth from the end.

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So basically in the middle, yeah, I think she was.

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And which one died?

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The oldest?

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The oldest died.

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Yeah, all right.

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So Annie and one of her sisters ended up at this infirmary so there's left mouths to feed, essentially, which makes sense.

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And she ended up with the superintendent there, named saniel ed eddington, and his wife nancy, and they taught her sewing and decorating and they were pretty good to her, nice um.

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And then in 1870 they essentially, like they called it bound her out.

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But I, I'm pretty sure, like as an orphan yeah.

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Well, well, not quite release, but she was, quote unquote, an orphan.

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So a family came in and asked to like adopt her.

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Adopt her essentially.

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Was her last name Oakley?

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No.

00:15:41.537 --> 00:15:42.000
Just kidding.

00:15:42.442 --> 00:15:44.548
So this local family came in.

00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:50.743
Adoption is a a very, very loose term like especially.

00:15:50.764 --> 00:16:06.597
Yeah, there wasn't really that kind of thing, right, but they promised her 50 cents a week and schooling and she was to come help take care of the mother of this family oh, so the mother had issues not really oh it was all a ruse.

00:16:07.077 --> 00:16:13.033
Oh okay, it was a big fat lie really yeah, I hope you tell us more about that yeah.

00:16:13.113 --> 00:16:21.908
So the family really wanted a bigger girl so that she could pump water and cook, and he was only five foot.

00:16:21.908 --> 00:16:23.109
Wow, really.

00:16:23.288 --> 00:16:30.988
Yeah, she was tiny At that time, or like when she grew up Period, so she was that short even at full growth.

00:16:31.580 --> 00:16:33.846
Yes, she was five foot and like 100 pounds.

00:16:33.886 --> 00:16:35.110
She was tiny Holy balls.

00:16:35.110 --> 00:16:35.611
No, kidding.

00:16:36.299 --> 00:16:41.293
But they took her home and for two years she was basically a slave to them.

00:16:41.293 --> 00:16:46.865
Terrible mental and physical abuse welts on her back.

00:16:48.019 --> 00:16:56.265
So can I ask real quick, and I don't know if you probably don't even have this answer, however, why did they want a female that could pump water and stuff?

00:16:56.265 --> 00:16:57.249
Why wouldn't they get a male?

00:16:58.780 --> 00:17:03.985
I think it was because they actually did want some help with the wife.

00:17:04.326 --> 00:17:04.607
Okay.

00:17:05.121 --> 00:17:09.530
But they just kind of turned it into you're just going to be a slave To do everything, yeah.

00:17:09.691 --> 00:17:10.492
Okay, fair enough.

00:17:13.361 --> 00:17:18.944
Then Annie did talk about them making her a slave, Like she used that terminology.

00:17:18.944 --> 00:17:19.346
Oh wow.

00:17:19.426 --> 00:17:20.068
I was a slave?

00:17:20.108 --> 00:17:28.093
Yeah, sure, and there was even one time the wife threw her outside barefoot in the freezing cold for falling asleep while sewing.

00:17:28.693 --> 00:17:35.652
Oh Jesus, she was 12 years old, yeah, I mean, you fall asleep and you're how old, I mean 39.

00:17:35.692 --> 00:17:35.913
Yeah.

00:17:36.501 --> 00:17:37.105
Some change.

00:17:37.105 --> 00:17:39.046
You're close to the 40s.

00:17:39.468 --> 00:17:39.788
Yeah.

00:17:40.500 --> 00:17:42.226
And you fall asleep all the time.

00:17:42.385 --> 00:17:43.147
Yeah, all the time.

00:17:43.269 --> 00:17:44.010
You need your naps.

00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:48.869
But Annie actually did write her own autobiography.

00:17:48.891 --> 00:17:49.372
She did Okay.

00:17:49.700 --> 00:17:53.070
Although it's kind of a ruse, there's really nothing.

00:17:53.070 --> 00:17:55.727
There's not a whole lot of fact in there.

00:17:55.727 --> 00:18:01.133
No, no, everybody pretty much knows that it was all fake stories or embellished stories.

00:18:01.133 --> 00:18:02.136
It's a work of fiction.

00:18:02.136 --> 00:18:06.832
But Annie only called these two people the wolves.

00:18:06.832 --> 00:18:09.125
She never, ever called them by name.

00:18:09.125 --> 00:18:12.868
So we actually don't know who these two people are.

00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:14.987
Couldn't you trace that back somehow, though?

00:18:15.280 --> 00:18:19.005
So there is speculation on two different families, but it's not clear.

00:18:19.005 --> 00:18:19.989
Okay, fair enough.

00:18:19.989 --> 00:18:21.967
So she just called them the wolves.

00:18:21.967 --> 00:18:23.003
Well, they sounded like it.

00:18:23.003 --> 00:18:29.970
But eventually she was able to run away and she went back to her mother who had married for a third time.

00:18:29.970 --> 00:18:31.192
Oh geez, did she have another kid?

00:18:31.192 --> 00:18:32.534
No, I don't think so.

00:18:32.534 --> 00:18:32.954
Oh, thank God.

00:18:32.954 --> 00:18:43.795
And when she returned she started hunting and selling what she got to hotels and local grocery stores to help pay for the bills.

00:18:44.055 --> 00:18:46.166
Okay, can I ask another question before I forget it?

00:18:46.166 --> 00:18:49.609
Mm-hmm, what happened to her sister that went to the infirmary with her?

00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.946
She ended up getting married, I think eventually, like she came out fine.

00:18:57.121 --> 00:19:02.865
Okay, so like she didn't get adopted or whatever, no, no, okay, no, she came out fine.

00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.306
I think she ended up getting married.

00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:12.083
Okay, I was just curious, because it's like she ran away and it's like what happened to her so well she ran away after she got adopted, whatever.

00:19:12.083 --> 00:19:14.087
Yeah, yeah exactly so.

00:19:15.009 --> 00:19:18.782
annie was paying bills with all these, these animals that she's catching right.

00:19:18.782 --> 00:19:24.231
She was able to pay off their $200 mortgage, oh wow, and she was only 15.

00:19:24.231 --> 00:19:25.073
That's impressive.

00:19:25.073 --> 00:19:31.275
So impressed by her shooting, mr Jack Frost.

00:19:33.888 --> 00:19:35.003
Is this a Christmas story?

00:19:35.084 --> 00:19:42.863
all of a sudden, he happened to own a Cincinnati hotel, and he actually had been one to have purchased her game in the past.

00:19:42.863 --> 00:19:46.066
Sure, he arranged for a shooting contest.

00:19:46.066 --> 00:19:54.010
Oh, mm-hmm, fancy, it was a man's sport and shooting contests were a favorite at this time Right.

00:19:54.010 --> 00:20:00.490
So on Thanksgiving in 1875, she was to face Frank E Butler.

00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.309
And she was 15 in 1875, right, you said.

00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:10.584
Yes, this is 1875.

00:20:10.584 --> 00:20:12.468
Yes, she was 15 and it was 1875.

00:20:12.468 --> 00:20:14.311
Right, you said yes, this is 1875.

00:20:14.311 --> 00:20:14.732
Yes, she is 15.

00:20:14.732 --> 00:20:16.876
Yes, yes, um, and mr butler is an irish immigrant and he is a known marksman.

00:20:16.876 --> 00:20:23.406
He was touring the country doing shows, uh, and he was known to take on like local competitors.

00:20:23.406 --> 00:20:29.096
Okay, so he bet Frost, the hotel manager, a hundred dollars.

00:20:29.339 --> 00:20:32.046
That's a lot of money at that time, a lot of money.

00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:35.410
A hundred dollars that he could beat any local sharpshooter.

00:20:36.082 --> 00:20:37.307
And so he brought out little.

00:20:37.307 --> 00:20:40.388
So, jack, Frost brought out.

00:20:40.509 --> 00:20:48.473
Annie so Butler shows up with hundreds of people watching and out walks this 15-year-old five-foot girl.

00:20:49.021 --> 00:20:50.519
He's probably like are you fucking kidding me?

00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:53.288
Yeah carrying this big rifle Probably as big as her.

00:20:53.368 --> 00:20:53.971
Exactly.

00:20:55.040 --> 00:20:58.708
That's funny because, yeah, I mean that gun couldn't have been much different size.

00:20:58.929 --> 00:20:59.169
No.

00:20:59.169 --> 00:21:08.163
Obviously lengthwise, but so they took turns, shooting like clay pigeons, one after another, shoot one, shoot one, shoot two, shoot two.

00:21:08.163 --> 00:21:10.385
Sure, one after another.

00:21:10.385 --> 00:21:10.946
After another.

00:21:10.946 --> 00:21:13.852
Right 25th pole comes.

00:21:13.852 --> 00:21:24.192
Butler missed, but not annie she got it in the bag, she won the match so I think he was 29 at the time.

00:21:24.192 --> 00:21:26.354
Oh, the guy Butler.

00:21:26.354 --> 00:21:26.554
Wow.

00:21:26.554 --> 00:21:32.932
So Frank Butler always claimed that he had lost the second that he saw her.

00:21:32.932 --> 00:21:37.700
He actually ended up falling in love with her Of course he did.

00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:47.598
He gave her tickets to his next show, and as part of his shooting act he had a French poodle named George, and Annie loved George, imagine that.

00:21:47.598 --> 00:21:55.294
So Frank's way of wooing her was to send flowers and cards pretending they were from George, like signed Love George.

00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:58.648
So this 29-year-old is courting a 15-year-old.

00:21:58.648 --> 00:22:02.423
Yes, that seems a little bit weird, and they got married the next year.

00:22:02.805 --> 00:22:04.229
Oh, I mean, she was 16.

00:22:04.368 --> 00:22:05.251
Age of consent, I guess.

00:22:06.801 --> 00:22:13.413
But I love their story because it was a man's sport.

00:22:13.413 --> 00:22:34.191
He was really good at what he does and she shows him up and he's like bring it, let's do this, I will support you and he was really really sweet to her okay so um annie and frank finally started performing together um in 1882.

00:22:34.951 --> 00:22:55.828
So for the next six years um butler and his then shooting partner john graham performed on a variety circuit, and ann Annie would like stay in the background and just kind of help out when needed so basically since they got married until she turned 22 when she started actually performing with him yeah she was kind of helping out yeah

00:22:55.848 --> 00:23:09.403
gotcha okay so, while in Springfield, ohio, um John Graham, the partner, he ended up falling ill and annie stepped in oh so she would hold up targets for for butler.

00:23:09.403 --> 00:23:10.807
But butler kept missing.

00:23:10.807 --> 00:23:13.070
This day he just kept missing.

00:23:13.070 --> 00:23:26.152
And there was a spectator in the crowd who heckled and heckled him and said just let the girl shoot then and so she did so butler was like be my guest.

00:23:26.152 --> 00:23:26.953
Let's do this.

00:23:26.953 --> 00:23:29.468
Knowing full well what was going to happen.

00:23:29.619 --> 00:23:30.885
He knew she was going to kill it.

00:23:31.006 --> 00:23:39.648
Yeah, and so Annie hits the target every single time, and then it became a Butler and Annie bonanza.

00:23:39.648 --> 00:23:40.550
No more Graham.

00:23:42.192 --> 00:23:44.885
Poor Graham, I know Shouldn't have got sick that day, I guess.

00:23:45.901 --> 00:23:47.407
But Annie needed a stage name.

00:23:49.301 --> 00:23:50.025
Come in Oakley.

00:23:50.780 --> 00:23:56.833
She chose Oakley, supposedly after her paternal grandmother.

00:23:57.173 --> 00:23:57.493
Okay.

00:23:58.121 --> 00:24:02.290
But other sources say it was a town nearby.

00:24:02.290 --> 00:24:07.109
Oh, like the name of a town nearby, and she just kind of pulled it off Either way.

00:24:07.109 --> 00:24:12.667
So when the butlers hit the road, traveling entertainment was a really big thing.

00:24:13.161 --> 00:24:14.246
Oh yeah, especially back then.

00:24:14.246 --> 00:24:17.183
Come on, that was huge, huge entertainment.

00:24:17.525 --> 00:24:18.709
Yeah, there were circuses.

00:24:19.205 --> 00:24:20.159
I was just going to say that.

00:24:20.380 --> 00:24:21.987
Theater companies vaudeville.

00:24:22.361 --> 00:24:24.835
Yeah, all that stuff that toured around because they could make a killing.

00:24:24.835 --> 00:24:32.483
Really yeah, all that stuff that toured around because they could make a killing really because that's that you couldn't netflix and chill or whatever the kids say these days, exactly so.

00:24:32.544 --> 00:24:50.586
They'd play anywhere from huge arena to tiny smoky bars, and for annie and frank, they, they loved the noisy trains and the cheap hotels and moving all the time, and so annie and frank's shooting act could literally between be oh yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:24:51.469 --> 00:24:53.393
Did he have a stage name too, or was?

00:24:53.432 --> 00:24:56.907
it, it was frank butler, okay, yeah because why?

00:24:57.469 --> 00:24:59.512
why did she need a stage name, but he didn't?

00:25:01.121 --> 00:25:01.422
it was.

00:25:01.422 --> 00:25:03.547
I don't think it was really something that I read.

00:25:03.547 --> 00:25:14.023
It was just something that she wanted, so it wasn't a part of your research I was hoping to get away from that that's never going away so their shooting act.

00:25:14.023 --> 00:25:22.546
Yes could literally between be between a singer with dirty jokes right and someone with almost no clothes on.

00:25:22.546 --> 00:25:24.068
Yeah, that's wild.

00:25:24.068 --> 00:25:31.190
These variety shows were a men's thing, so there's lots of innuendo, yep, bit of skin a little ankle but this, exactly but.

00:25:31.670 --> 00:25:40.941
But annie oakley was a quaker girl from ohio in the victorian era were they originally from pennsylvania, or was that just her?

00:25:40.961 --> 00:25:45.951
parents okay, and she was terrified as being seen as improper.

00:25:46.232 --> 00:25:54.636
Sure no, she wanted to do the right thing, Exactly and she decided to make herself different both in how she acted and dressed.

00:25:54.757 --> 00:26:09.487
Presented herself Exactly so she started wearing a full coverage outfit, a calf length skirt, long sleeves and leggings Right and that became her signature look long sleeves and leggings right and that became her signature look.

00:26:09.487 --> 00:26:14.105
She sewed her own costumes, which was important to her because she wanted to control how people saw her, sure, and she could really move freely in them.

00:26:14.105 --> 00:26:26.903
And she looked respectable, even a little bit childlike because of how petite she was well, I mean being only five foot and you know 100 pounds soaking wet yeah you're gonna look young because of that yeah, even if you're in your 20s.

00:26:26.962 --> 00:26:39.201
So and frank found out pretty fast that annie was the main attraction well, I mean, she was different because, like you said, this was a man's thing yeah a lot of men went to these.

00:26:39.201 --> 00:26:51.619
I'm sure women did too right even kids, for that matter, probably, but this was so different for what they were used to seeing, like I want to go see that girl shoot because we don't get to see that it's, yeah, it's different.

00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:53.505
It's completely different shooting.

00:26:53.505 --> 00:26:55.269
It's not a man shooting no.

00:26:55.328 --> 00:27:01.390
So it totally makes sense why she would become the main attraction over uh, what's this for?

00:27:01.390 --> 00:27:01.570
Damn?

00:27:01.570 --> 00:27:08.106
The husband's first name frank frank jesus, I keep forgetting it, frank butler yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean nothing against him.

00:27:08.106 --> 00:27:11.182
No, nothing against him, it's just, this is a new fangled thing.

00:27:11.723 --> 00:27:16.579
Let's look at this and he was so good to her, he became her assistant which is crazy.

00:27:16.579 --> 00:27:25.088
Yeah, isn't it funny how it just flipped around exactly like their, their traditional gender norms were flipped on the ted and they loved it.

00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:28.246
And again for being in the 1880s.

00:27:28.246 --> 00:27:31.092
I mean that's wild, because that just wasn't a normal thing.

00:27:31.413 --> 00:27:31.633
Yeah.

00:27:31.633 --> 00:27:38.673
So he knew that she kind of had that it factor and didn't want to mess with it and he loved her and he was also a very smart individual.

00:27:38.673 --> 00:27:40.345
Well, it's very marketable.

00:27:40.345 --> 00:27:47.731
Exactly, yes, she was pretty classy and he also knew what it took to succeed, because he was already successful.

00:27:47.771 --> 00:27:48.172
He was doing it.

00:27:48.172 --> 00:27:48.573
Yeah, yeah.

00:27:48.753 --> 00:27:49.134
For sure.

00:27:49.134 --> 00:28:00.194
So in 1884, they got a long-term gig with Sells Brothers Circus S-E-L-L-S.

00:28:00.194 --> 00:28:00.816
Sells.

00:28:00.816 --> 00:28:05.191
It was a pretty huge deal and they finally had some like steady income with this gig.

00:28:05.191 --> 00:28:11.214
Sure, um, circus life was a struggle and the money was kind of hit or miss um.

00:28:11.214 --> 00:28:23.111
So when their season wrapped up in new orleans that december they were looking to go back to those like vaudevillian cheap motels and yeah, doing their little sideshows basically.

00:28:23.151 --> 00:28:28.183
And basically dealing with some of these, like rougher sexualized characters.

00:28:28.183 --> 00:28:37.722
Sure, but then, right as that circus gig ended, buffalo Bill's Wild West show rolled into town.

00:28:37.722 --> 00:28:37.943
Yep.

00:28:38.692 --> 00:28:40.178
I knew that she'd do it for that.

00:28:41.550 --> 00:28:43.115
So perfect timing.

00:28:43.115 --> 00:28:44.999
They asked Cody for a job.

00:28:44.999 --> 00:28:46.423
William Cody, yep.

00:28:46.423 --> 00:28:48.636
So Annie was super excited.

00:28:48.636 --> 00:28:51.838
It seemed like a dream to her.

00:28:51.838 --> 00:28:54.999
But Cody already had a big named shooter.

00:28:54.999 --> 00:29:01.830
His name was Captain Bogardus, okay, and he was already a huge, huge star, sure.

00:29:01.830 --> 00:29:06.557
So he did tell Annie no, like it wasn't about her being a woman.

00:29:06.557 --> 00:29:08.717
They had other women in the show.

00:29:09.049 --> 00:29:10.276
They had their thing already.

00:29:10.276 --> 00:29:11.853
Yeah, the position's filled.

00:29:11.893 --> 00:29:13.578
The position's filled Exactly Sure.

00:29:13.578 --> 00:29:20.329
So they did have to go back to their variety circuit then Yep.

00:29:20.329 --> 00:29:27.589
But then luck changed and Buffalo Bill's steamboat sank on the Mississippi.

00:29:27.589 --> 00:29:33.983
It sounds horrible, but Captain Bogardus lost all of his gear and equipment and ended up quitting.

00:29:34.990 --> 00:29:36.394
Man, I can't afford to replace this.

00:29:36.515 --> 00:29:37.137
Probably.

00:29:37.357 --> 00:29:37.598
Wow.

00:29:38.130 --> 00:29:43.320
So Frank and Annie heard about this and immediately wired Cody asking for a tryout.

00:29:43.721 --> 00:29:44.722
Oh sure, why wouldn't you?

00:29:44.864 --> 00:29:45.044
Yeah.

00:29:45.569 --> 00:29:55.834
Can I also ask another question real quick, you being from Nebraska, have you been to the Buffalo Bill Cody blah, blah, blah museum thing that's in?

00:29:55.834 --> 00:29:58.718
I'm thinking of the right thing.

00:29:58.718 --> 00:30:03.992
Maybe not museum, but Fuck, where the hell is it?

00:30:03.992 --> 00:30:04.816
Sarah would know.

00:30:04.816 --> 00:30:08.717
All right, continue, I'll try and think of it while we're going through this.

00:30:09.631 --> 00:30:15.103
I know there was like a pioneer museum that was close to where I lived in Minden, Nebraska.

00:30:15.103 --> 00:30:15.609
How?

00:30:15.631 --> 00:30:16.596
many different places did you live in Nebraska?

00:30:16.596 --> 00:30:17.723
It was close to where I lived in Menden, Nebraska.

00:30:17.723 --> 00:30:18.750
How many different places did you live in Nebraska?

00:30:19.412 --> 00:30:20.616
It was close to where I lived.

00:30:20.616 --> 00:30:24.032
I lived in three places, so that's.

00:30:26.576 --> 00:30:27.179
Okay, anyways.

00:30:28.848 --> 00:30:33.338
Bill was hesitant because Annie actually asked for a bit of money.

00:30:33.338 --> 00:30:38.380
Well, I mean, she should have I don't think this small petite woman could handle nightly shows.

00:30:39.570 --> 00:30:39.832
Why?

00:30:39.832 --> 00:30:40.876
Because she's petite.

00:30:40.876 --> 00:30:42.596
Yeah, I don't know, good lord.

00:30:42.770 --> 00:30:44.086
But he agreed to a test.

00:30:44.247 --> 00:30:44.430
Okay.

00:30:44.911 --> 00:30:51.284
So, while practicing in an empty stadium, Annie noticed a man in a fancy hat watching her.

00:30:51.284 --> 00:30:56.702
Oh, a fancy hat he rushed over shouting about how great she was and asked for photos.

00:30:56.702 --> 00:31:00.933
It was cody's manager, nate salisbury.

00:31:00.933 --> 00:31:20.953
Nope, salisbury, salisbury, I like salisbury oh, that's funny it was cody's manager, nate salisbury, not salisbury, and he hired her right then and there he said no questions asked, pretty much it's like.

00:31:20.994 --> 00:31:28.098
So she didn't even actually get to do the test, he just hired her well, I mean, she was testing, oh, yeah, and he was watching her.

00:31:28.098 --> 00:31:30.791
Yeah, and he's like, oh my god, this is amazing, you're hired.

00:31:31.733 --> 00:31:35.519
so buffalo bill's wild west show was a huge spectacle.

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:47.502
It was part theater, part circus, part rodeo, and it gave people in the rapidly industrializing East a taste of the old frontier in the West.

00:31:47.502 --> 00:31:49.005
And they loved it, oh yeah.

00:31:49.551 --> 00:31:50.777
They ate that shit up yes.

00:31:50.777 --> 00:31:59.973
Because a lot of those people on the East never got to experience that so it's like holy crap, look at this other world that exists out there, but we can't afford to go.

00:31:59.973 --> 00:32:00.777
But it can come to us.

00:32:00.777 --> 00:32:02.509
Yeah, they're going to eat that shit up, yeah, yeah.

00:32:02.509 --> 00:32:05.259
And the funny thing is, it was so not what it was.

00:32:07.890 --> 00:32:22.757
Well, the whole idea of the American ruggedness and the adventure cowboys and Indians were at the time it's okay to say that it was how it was but that whole era was just disappearing.

00:32:22.757 --> 00:32:28.236
So yeah, correct, this buffalo bill wild west show was like a living piece of history.

00:32:28.236 --> 00:32:30.547
Yeah, it was keeping the past and he brought it to life.

00:32:30.646 --> 00:32:47.383
Yeah, basically, exactly so you would see stage coaches and soldiers and Native Americans and cowboys, horses, cattle and even buffalo on his stage and it was crazy lively version of a Wild West show.

00:32:47.383 --> 00:32:52.326
And that's where Annie Oakley, this girl from Ohio, started in April 1885.

00:32:52.326 --> 00:32:56.415
And even though she started small, people loved her.

00:32:56.415 --> 00:33:15.759
So when annie would come onto the stage she wouldn't just walk in, she would practically like skip in blowing kisses and like having this little persona on a show, exactly for sure exactly she was this sweet little girl looking girl with a powerful gun.

00:33:16.318 --> 00:33:21.884
She started with easy targets glass balls that exploded with feathers in it.

00:33:22.306 --> 00:33:25.376
Okay, I don't know so like the feathers would go flying, kind of thing Okay.

00:33:25.396 --> 00:33:26.359
But glass too.

00:33:26.670 --> 00:33:28.196
So that doesn't seem safe, but whatever.

00:33:28.196 --> 00:33:29.769
Well, I mean, it was the 1880s.

00:33:29.809 --> 00:33:31.151
They used glass balls a lot.

00:33:31.230 --> 00:33:32.132
Them times were wild.

00:33:32.251 --> 00:33:36.355
But Frank would toss them up into the air one, two, three at a time.

00:33:36.355 --> 00:33:40.278
She would shoot them and she would shoot all of them.

00:33:40.318 --> 00:33:42.121
Yeah, that seems even more dangerous now.

00:33:42.121 --> 00:33:44.321
Yeah, I know Glasses flowing up in the air.

00:33:44.321 --> 00:33:48.445
Hey everybody, look, Make sure your eyes are open for this glass to fall into it.

00:33:48.445 --> 00:33:49.906
Yeah, this is a brilliant idea.

00:33:51.269 --> 00:33:51.991
Let's market this.

00:33:51.991 --> 00:33:56.142
She would literally hit all these glass bulbs before they hit the ground, right, right.

00:33:56.142 --> 00:34:00.617
She'd go up to four, five, six bulbs at a time.

00:34:00.617 --> 00:34:05.650
Her act got faster and faster targets shattering everywhere.

00:34:05.650 --> 00:34:07.237
She shot with both hands.

00:34:07.237 --> 00:34:12.862
Even she was ambidextrous with her shotgun upside down.

00:34:12.862 --> 00:34:14.737
She would fire sideways.

00:34:14.737 --> 00:34:16.014
She would use a mirror.

00:34:16.014 --> 00:34:21.621
Does she ever hold it like a gangster in the movies sideways.

00:34:21.641 --> 00:34:37.621
I mean that would be like like top heavy kind of a thing like I'm I'm joking but one of her famous tricks was splitting a playing card held sideways or shooting through the heart right, yeah I've actually I think I've seen a picture or something like that.

00:34:37.621 --> 00:34:48.215
Sometimes she would miss on purpose and pout To kind of like play it up Uh-huh, because obviously she'd always hit her target, so that was part of her act.

00:34:48.215 --> 00:34:51.469
So then she would just kind of like quote-unquote, redeem herself.

00:34:51.469 --> 00:34:53.556
But it was all part of the act.

00:34:54.139 --> 00:34:54.599
That's funny.

00:34:55.592 --> 00:35:13.922
As soon as Annie was getting rave reviews, cody moved her up in the show, so that season 150 000 people across america saw something completely new a woman shooting like a man, but with this sweet, innocent vibe.

00:35:13.922 --> 00:35:16.005
That was a little bit sexy too.

00:35:16.065 --> 00:35:20.153
That's a lot of people for back then it was To be able to see her.

00:35:20.153 --> 00:35:21.297
That's crazy yeah.

00:35:22.590 --> 00:35:25.315
And because she was such an incredible shot.

00:35:25.315 --> 00:35:32.148
What made her really interesting was how she blended that with the image of a good American woman.

00:35:32.269 --> 00:35:32.449
Right.

00:35:32.952 --> 00:35:47.235
And she could be all demure and ladylike, even a little girlish, but also really attractive yeah, and then playful and all that yes and her fame exploded when the wild west show was on staten island in 1886 in new york.

00:35:47.235 --> 00:35:49.481
Half a million people went to see the show.

00:35:49.481 --> 00:35:53.697
Holy crap and annie became just as famous as wild bill himself.

00:35:53.697 --> 00:35:55.320
I'm sure Mm-hmm.

00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.893
Buffalo Bill, wild Bill is.

00:35:58.954 --> 00:35:59.396
Hickok.

00:35:59.396 --> 00:36:01.442
My bad Buffalo Bill, that's all right.

00:36:01.442 --> 00:36:03.516
Buffalo Bill Wild West Show.

00:36:03.516 --> 00:36:07.110
Yeah, I think we screwed that up a couple times maybe, but my bad, that's all right.

00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:12.150
Buffalo Bill and Wild Bill are two different Bills and both from the old timey time.

00:36:12.150 --> 00:36:17.474
Yes, so we are talking about Buffalo Bill and his Wild West show.

00:36:17.474 --> 00:36:19.275
Do you know where Wild Bill Hickok died?

00:36:19.275 --> 00:36:20.677
In Deadwood.

00:36:20.757 --> 00:36:21.317
Yeah.

00:36:21.438 --> 00:36:26.141
Yes, so the other one is from Deadwood, south Dakota.

00:36:26.141 --> 00:36:28.521
Yeah, so my bad, my bad, that's all right, that's all right.

00:36:28.521 --> 00:36:40.862
So Frank took over Annie's publicity, playing up the East's obsession with the West Sure, and he called her the Girl of the Western Plains, even though she was from Ohio.

00:36:41.791 --> 00:36:42.735
But they didn't need to know that.

00:36:42.735 --> 00:36:44.514
No, just like her name was in Oakley.

00:36:44.655 --> 00:36:45.458
Yeah, exactly.

00:36:45.911 --> 00:36:48.257
It's a character they built for this show.

00:36:48.478 --> 00:36:49.760
Yeah, exactly, so it makes sense.

00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.717
And then she met Sitting Bull.

00:36:53.717 --> 00:36:55.280
Ooh, yes.

00:36:56.143 --> 00:36:56.483
There you go.

00:36:56.483 --> 00:36:58.715
He was pretty famous.

00:36:59.030 --> 00:37:04.849
Yeah, sitting Bull saw her rifle skills and eyesight and thought that she had some kind of a special gift.

00:37:04.849 --> 00:37:13.818
So he was so impressed with Oakley's skills that he offered her $65 for a photograph of him and her together, and that was about over $2,000 today.

00:37:14.150 --> 00:37:16.137
I mean, that's pretty good for a photograph, yeah.

00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:25.152
Yeah, you probably got weird instagram influencers.

00:37:25.152 --> 00:37:27.757
He got, or he, he gave her the name little sure shot, little sure shot.

00:37:27.838 --> 00:37:34.237
There's a really good uh beastie boy song called sure shot yeah, well, that um nickname.

00:37:34.478 --> 00:37:36.391
Traveled with her wherever she went Sure.

00:37:36.411 --> 00:37:39.173
I'm not surprised at that, Especially when you get it from Sitting Bull.

00:37:39.173 --> 00:37:41.119
That's fantastic, yes.

00:37:41.829 --> 00:37:50.525
So in March 1887, Buffalo Bill's Wild West show took off for London to perform for Queen Victoria's big celebration.

00:37:50.525 --> 00:37:53.858
Their ship was literally a floating zoo.

00:37:53.858 --> 00:37:56.996
I bet it was Animals everywhere.

00:37:56.996 --> 00:37:58.485
It's kind of like Noah's Ark yes, zoo, I bet it was Animals everywhere.

00:37:58.485 --> 00:37:59.110
It's kind of like Noah's Ark.

00:37:59.130 --> 00:38:01.096
Yes, Headed to England.

00:38:02.150 --> 00:38:06.420
So along on this trip is a new girl.

00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:09.016
Oh, lillian Smith.

00:38:09.016 --> 00:38:14.360
She was a 15-year-old sharpshooter from California.

00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:15.983
Oh really, mm-hmm.

00:38:15.983 --> 00:38:24.141
Lillian was good and Bill Cody put out a $10,000 challenge to anyone who could beat her.

00:38:24.141 --> 00:38:25.675
She was that good.

00:38:25.675 --> 00:38:27.153
Did Annie take that challenge?

00:38:27.153 --> 00:38:33.199
Well Well, lillian wasn't exactly shy about her skill.

00:38:33.219 --> 00:38:33.862
Okay.

00:38:35.291 --> 00:38:43.842
And she was basically bragging to everybody that annie was in for really, yeah, so she was a bit of a wild card.

00:38:43.842 --> 00:38:56.164
She liked hanging out with the cowboys and wore flashy tops saying she was the best and it really bugged annie because she's like the demure, she's just lady easy going too.

00:38:56.503 --> 00:39:09.092
At this time annie was 26 old made by those lily was 15 annie, actually started shaving off years of her age to compete with her, to stay competitive.

00:39:09.092 --> 00:39:10.032
Yeah, that's terrible.

00:39:10.032 --> 00:39:18.782
So during research, her age is just a big jumbled mess.

00:39:18.782 --> 00:39:25.454
Nobody knows exactly what year she was, this age or that, because she was born in 1860.

00:39:25.614 --> 00:39:30.269
So I feel like we can, I feel like we can determine how old she was.

00:39:30.269 --> 00:39:35.320
So how would she shave years off like hey, I just turned 25.

00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.072
And then like two months later, hey, I just turned 25.

00:39:38.072 --> 00:39:39.195
I mean what, how did she?

00:39:39.235 --> 00:39:40.297
do basically um.

00:39:40.297 --> 00:39:44.157
So I mean, there wasn't, there were no receipts back then obviously that's.

00:39:44.217 --> 00:39:47.893
That's the point no fact checkers how about you just don't fucking tell your age I?

00:39:47.932 --> 00:39:49.699
mean that works too seriously.

00:39:49.699 --> 00:39:53.550
But she was tiny, she could get away with it well exactly.

00:39:53.650 --> 00:39:57.036
She probably could say she was 15, like what was the other one's name now?

00:39:57.295 --> 00:39:58.717
lillian, lillian, that's right.

00:39:58.717 --> 00:40:12.815
So on may 9th 1887 the wild west show premiered in london and annie and lillian were both billed as stars, right, 10 000 people were in attendance.

00:40:12.815 --> 00:40:14.458
That's a lot of people, for back then.

00:40:14.458 --> 00:40:16.505
Oscar wilde was there.

00:40:16.505 --> 00:40:18.409
What queen victoria?

00:40:18.409 --> 00:40:19.632
That was wild.

00:40:19.632 --> 00:40:23.518
And german kaiser wilhelm ii?

00:40:23.518 --> 00:40:32.481
Oh sure, yes yeah who basically was involved with like the starting and the ending of world war one?

00:40:32.481 --> 00:40:35.932
Yep so how'd that go?

00:40:35.932 --> 00:40:47.543
So the Kaiser actually asked Annie to be in the show and he held out a cigar.

00:40:48.003 --> 00:40:48.284
Yeah.

00:40:48.523 --> 00:40:49.965
Actually I think he held it in his hand.

00:40:49.965 --> 00:40:54.188
He held it in his hand and had Annie like shoot off the ash the tip of it or whatever.

00:40:54.269 --> 00:40:54.449
Yeah.

00:40:54.630 --> 00:40:55.172
Yeah so whatever.

00:40:55.172 --> 00:40:58.228
Yeah so, whatever, whatever.

00:40:58.228 --> 00:41:06.070
So the English loved the idea of America as this place of freedom, quite different.

00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:08.518
The show and Annie kind of represented that.

00:41:08.518 --> 00:41:16.358
And Annie was especially popular because she was this Wild West girl, but she was also a proper Victorian lady, right?

00:41:16.358 --> 00:41:16.639
Yes?

00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:19.036
correct, and that's probably why they liked her a lot.

00:41:19.170 --> 00:41:27.597
Yeah, and Queen Victoria came to see the show and she called Annie and Lillian over and Lillian of course, showed off her rifle, which really ticked off Annie.

00:41:27.597 --> 00:41:30.778
Annie really didn't like Lillian and her bragging.

00:41:32.592 --> 00:41:43.235
She was bragging showing off whatever where Annie's like no, just let my work do the Exactly the talking yeah exactly, exactly, you're right, yeah.

00:41:43.989 --> 00:41:50.539
So then there was a shooting competition in Wimbledon, oh, and all the top American shooters were invited.

00:41:50.539 --> 00:41:57.115
Lillian Smith bombed Really, she was bad.

00:41:57.949 --> 00:42:01.561
Was there any explanation as to why she did so bad?

00:42:02.954 --> 00:42:12.800
No, not that I had read, sure, there was no really explanation, okay, but Annie showed up and killed it of course, because she's annie oakley yeah.

00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:26.083
So she totally showed up, lillian, and became the talk of the town, and some even said she was more popular than buffalo bill, like she was back in america I mean I would say, and bill didn't even complete compete.

00:42:26.083 --> 00:42:29.175
No, he's like no, just let the ladies take it.

00:42:29.356 --> 00:42:32.101
Well I mean ladies first, I guess.

00:42:32.101 --> 00:42:41.451
But that's kind of odd for that time that he wouldn't even try except for things got some things got tense between annie and buffalo bill how come?

00:42:41.911 --> 00:42:43.356
because she was doing better than him.

00:42:44.157 --> 00:42:52.940
Well, she, again newfangled thing, shiny new toy, whatever you want to say, whatever weird phrase.

00:42:52.940 --> 00:42:58.456
So yeah, I mean it makes sense, though, because he was an older guy.

00:42:58.456 --> 00:42:59.900
I don't know how old was he.

00:42:59.900 --> 00:43:03.010
When did you see any age for?

00:43:03.030 --> 00:43:03.652
him if I did.

00:43:03.693 --> 00:43:06.862
I didn't write it down, and that's okay, yeah, but you know, older guys they've.

00:43:06.862 --> 00:43:10.132
They've seen this shit, they want to again.

00:43:10.132 --> 00:43:18.525
A lot of men go to these things and whatever they want to see the nice, new, shiny little, pretty looking, well-dressed girl that can shoot the shit out of anything.

00:43:18.525 --> 00:43:20.940
So, yeah, I mean I get it.

00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:25.460
The fact that he let them bug him, I guess Probably the Times probably.

00:43:25.942 --> 00:43:31.925
But either way, and Annie and Lillian, their rivalry also kind of came to a head.

00:43:32.166 --> 00:43:32.347
Yeah.

00:43:32.934 --> 00:43:45.206
So a friend of Lillian's went to a publication okay and told the newspaper that lillian was the star oh my god, that's scandalous.

00:43:45.365 --> 00:44:01.762
I know, I mean okay but they like removed annie from the publication, like all together, so okay why the fuck would you like this friend of a person comes to this publication and be like nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

00:44:01.762 --> 00:44:03.246
She's the real star.

00:44:03.246 --> 00:44:15.387
Why would they just take that for like, oh my god, you're right, we should remove this person completely because they're fucking stupid they care about slander and libel and fact checking.

00:44:15.715 --> 00:44:17.461
Well, that's like our media today.

00:44:17.461 --> 00:44:25.487
So because of this publication, it caused a rift.

00:44:25.869 --> 00:44:28.021
Of course, as it should have honestly.

00:44:28.434 --> 00:44:32.402
Frank, her husband, and Nate Salisbury, the manager.

00:44:32.402 --> 00:44:40.190
They defended Annie, but Buffalo Bill stayed silent, so he just didn't want to be a part of it, basically.

00:44:40.190 --> 00:44:46.088
But Annie reportedly toned down her act to avoid overshadowing Cody at this time.

00:44:48.016 --> 00:44:50.559
She was trying not to show up on his show.

00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:50.938
Yeah, yeah.

00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:51.378
Yeah.

00:44:51.400 --> 00:45:02.572
Yeah, so come that October she decided to leave the show and return to vaudeville, essentially the variety shows.

00:45:02.735 --> 00:45:04.181
So they went back to the nothing.

00:45:04.181 --> 00:45:05.416
Yes, that's.

00:45:05.416 --> 00:45:07.583
That's gotta be tough after being in the limelight.

00:45:08.155 --> 00:45:10.802
And they were together for like two and a half years.

00:45:10.802 --> 00:45:36.987
Yeah, I mean quite a long time for a lot of touring all that whatever and so when people asked annie like what happened between you and bill cody, she would simply say the reasons were too long to explain I'm gonna start using that she, she, literally like didn't talk about anybody behind their back, like oh nope it, it's just too long to explain, Is what?

00:45:37.027 --> 00:45:39.260
it is no, I get that.

00:45:40.639 --> 00:46:00.820
She did the very diplomatic, whatever word you want to throw in there kind of way to do it In 1888, she and Frank tried vaudeville, but audience wanted more singers and dancers, not shooters, sure, and he worked for other Wild West shows.

00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:06.500
But Nate Salisbury, the manager, was reportedly threatening anyone who tried to hire her Because he wanted her back.

00:46:07.335 --> 00:46:10.661
Oh well, that's a dick move, though, because I mean that just fucked her.

00:46:11.596 --> 00:46:13.141
Yes, but she ended up coming back.

00:46:13.922 --> 00:46:14.465
Oh dear.

00:46:15.056 --> 00:46:35.809
She came back in 1889 okay and essentially they said that the past issues were resolved, like there was okay, whatever says you yeah, but okay, yeah, um, so she returned to buffalo Bill's Wild West show in Paris.

00:46:35.809 --> 00:46:38.702
Oh, she was invited to Paris.

00:46:39.436 --> 00:46:40.380
They were already over there.

00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:44.565
Yes, this is obviously not the same time as they were over there prior right.

00:46:44.565 --> 00:46:46.802
This is a second time over to London.

00:46:46.943 --> 00:46:47.344
Correct.

00:46:47.423 --> 00:46:50.302
Okay, and so she joined the crew again.

00:46:50.583 --> 00:47:00.561
Yes, already over there, okay already over there, and what could have been part of the deal for Annie to accept this was that Lillian Smith was not invited.

00:47:01.885 --> 00:47:04.840
How come this was not part of your research?

00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.144
What?

00:47:06.144 --> 00:47:07.940
How come she wasn't invited?

00:47:08.536 --> 00:47:10.322
Because Annie and Lillian had a rivalry.

00:47:10.742 --> 00:47:11.344
I get that.

00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.226
So it's speculated In the research that I read.

00:47:15.226 --> 00:47:16.175
It's speculated.

00:47:16.876 --> 00:47:19.846
They didn't invite Lillian because they invited Annie back.

00:47:19.916 --> 00:47:22.900
And Annie said don't invite Lillian, and then I'll come back.

00:47:23.318 --> 00:47:28.284
Oh, okay, so do we ever find out what happened to Lillian?

00:47:28.786 --> 00:47:28.867
No.

00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:30.594
Because that's not part of your research.

00:47:30.715 --> 00:47:31.056
Exactly.

00:47:31.056 --> 00:47:33.081
I don't give a shit, I didn't ask that.

00:47:33.081 --> 00:47:39.659
So over 30 million people attended this paris expedition.

00:47:39.659 --> 00:47:44.068
30 million expedition exposition did you say 30 million?

00:47:44.128 --> 00:47:46.958
yep what you?

00:47:46.958 --> 00:47:54.206
That is a lot of people I mean that's half of the population of Europe.

00:47:54.206 --> 00:47:55.788
When the Black Death killed them.

00:47:55.788 --> 00:47:56.568
That's right.

00:47:56.588 --> 00:47:57.010
Remember that.

00:47:57.010 --> 00:47:57.650
Look at you.

00:47:57.650 --> 00:48:00.619
I know this is over a course of time.

00:48:01.121 --> 00:48:06.943
I get that, thank you Just bringing it back Referencing old podcast episodes.

00:48:06.943 --> 00:48:08.518
Stay tuned.

00:48:08.518 --> 00:48:09.623
History Buffoons what up?

00:48:10.255 --> 00:48:13.284
So Annie became a sensation Again.

00:48:13.284 --> 00:48:23.981
She received offers and she had fictional stories spread about her Sure Dime novels Exaggerated, Can you?

00:48:24.021 --> 00:48:24.902
try that one more time.

00:48:24.922 --> 00:48:27.907
Exaggerated, nope, exacerbated, nope Exaggerated.

00:48:27.907 --> 00:48:29.474
There is the word Wow.

00:48:29.474 --> 00:48:32.619
Exaggerated her past.

00:48:32.619 --> 00:48:33.579
That is a tough word.

00:48:33.940 --> 00:48:35.061
Yes, can you spell it real quick.

00:48:36.402 --> 00:48:37.204
No, yes.

00:48:37.204 --> 00:48:39.126
Can you spell it real quick?

00:48:39.126 --> 00:48:41.128
No, okay and go.

00:48:41.128 --> 00:48:43.210
So yes.

00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:44.961
So Her legend grew.

00:48:44.961 --> 00:48:52.144
Oh, dear Legends rise With stories of her saving a prince shooting a cigarette from Prince Wilhelm's mouth.

00:48:53.157 --> 00:48:54.682
When in fact, he held it in his hand.

00:48:54.682 --> 00:49:10.650
So she and Frank started telling tall stories publicly sure I mean just to build the mystique and all that, yeah, and part of her autobiography is all of these tall tales, yeah, so in 1893, buffalo bills show.

00:49:10.815 --> 00:49:23.284
Despite not being invited to the chicago world fair, they were across the street and drew bigger crowds than the world fair well, yeah, because they're more popular.

00:49:23.304 --> 00:49:26.679
I mean that world's fair was popular too.

00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:27.842
I mean all the world's fair.

00:49:27.842 --> 00:49:33.643
Really they don't do those anymore, right no and I don't remember what the last one was, because I I mean, that's why the Eiffel Tower was built.

00:49:33.643 --> 00:49:37.313
Was it For the World's Fair in Paris, if I'm not mistaken.

00:49:37.614 --> 00:49:40.202
Yeah, we'll have to do an episode on that.

00:49:40.362 --> 00:49:44.766
Yeah, we should just do World's Fair, just like of the history, of that or something.

00:49:44.945 --> 00:49:52.289
Yeah, so 1893 was when people started really missing the Wild West and Buffalo Bill's show became the symbol of the good old days.

00:49:52.289 --> 00:49:57.637
Yeah, show became the symbol of the good old days.

00:49:57.637 --> 00:50:00.103
Yes, the chicago exposition was all about new tech, electrical lighting and edison's early movies.

00:50:00.103 --> 00:50:04.972
Yes, in 1894, edison filmed annie.

00:50:04.972 --> 00:50:10.788
Oh, really, he filmed annie, okay, and you can see it on youtube.

00:50:10.788 --> 00:50:22.987
Oh, they, actually it's like 25 or 26 seconds long, so I'll have it in our social media, but she's potentially like one of the first people on like rolling film is, is it pretty grainy?

00:50:23.748 --> 00:50:30.615
yes, but you can clearly see a person someone is like tossing up something pigeon clay pigeons or something.

00:50:30.615 --> 00:50:32.239
She's like shooting it shoot.

00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:34.565
Oh yeah, shoot, shoot, shoot like awesome.

00:50:34.565 --> 00:50:37.721
Yeah, round by round by round it was the first viral video.

00:50:38.001 --> 00:50:38.663
It could have been.

00:50:38.824 --> 00:50:51.860
I mean no, but yes so by with these movies coming out, that was pretty much a sign that the wild west shows were on their way out.

00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:56.094
Well, they were dying because they didn't need the that anymore.

00:50:56.114 --> 00:51:04.061
They could go a different medium, basically yeah so in the early 1900s movies would be like the new western entertainment, yep um.

00:51:04.061 --> 00:51:14.927
But in the 1890s annie and buffalo bill were still huge, playing in tons of cities I bet in 1901 they were all on like a train convoy.

00:51:15.168 --> 00:51:15.429
Okay.

00:51:17.195 --> 00:51:20.385
There was like a first train, second train, third train.

00:51:20.385 --> 00:51:22.628
I don't know if they were cars or individual trains.

00:51:23.072 --> 00:51:23.353
Oh sure.

00:51:23.635 --> 00:51:25.599
But there was a train coming from the other direction.

00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:29.807
Who like split off knowing that the train was coming?

00:51:30.108 --> 00:51:30.389
Yeah.

00:51:31.615 --> 00:51:34.603
But he thought it was only the one.

00:51:35.025 --> 00:51:35.445
Oh shit.

00:51:35.614 --> 00:51:43.047
And so he came back onto the main track and hit the train that Annie was on.

00:51:43.728 --> 00:51:44.568
Did, she die.

00:51:44.849 --> 00:51:51.170
No, that train crash killed most of their animals.

00:51:51.170 --> 00:51:58.615
Oh shit, really Like over a hundred horses, holy balls.

00:51:58.615 --> 00:51:59.137
Yeah, like it was awful.

00:51:59.137 --> 00:52:06.317
No person died, but there were plenty of injuries that is wild, that no one, no person, died yeah all those animals did.

00:52:06.317 --> 00:52:09.083
That's crazy um annie had a bad back.

00:52:09.083 --> 00:52:13.021
After that she had surgery on it like six times after that incident?

00:52:13.061 --> 00:52:18.123
yeah, oh, could you imagine getting surgery on your back in 1890s six different times?

00:52:18.646 --> 00:52:26.769
I mean, I couldn't imagine doing that now and it's 2025 1890 holy fuck, no, thank you yeah, and so she decided to leave the show.

00:52:26.809 --> 00:52:30.679
But no, you said 1901, I'm sorry, 1901, yeah, early either way.

00:52:31.041 --> 00:52:35.873
Early 1900s yeah, fuck that yeah and so she decided to leave the show.

00:52:35.873 --> 00:52:41.998
But even after just one year, she she tried to get back into the spotlight and she agreed to be in a play oh dear.

00:52:41.998 --> 00:52:49.577
So she left the wild west show and now she's trying to be an actress okay so the play was written about her.

00:52:49.577 --> 00:53:07.045
It was fictional but sure western heroine performing her shooting tricks just keep in mind, her book was also fiction too but she was 42 and she wanted a new career, sure she's different avenue stream so on August 11th, revenue stream.

00:53:09.224 --> 00:53:10.755
August 11th 1903.

00:53:10.755 --> 00:53:18.572
Headlines appeared Chicago newspapers a man named 1903.

00:53:18.572 --> 00:53:22.175
Okay, headlines appeared Chicago newspapers.

00:53:22.175 --> 00:53:31.170
A man named Hurst in particular reported she'd stolen pants to buy cocaine what I don't know.

00:53:31.170 --> 00:53:45.585
So they're accusing Annie Oakley of stealing pants to buy cocaine with yes, I don't know how that works, but that's what it was, fucking wild.

00:53:45.585 --> 00:53:51.387
And the Associated Press spread the story, devastating Annie.

00:53:51.387 --> 00:53:58.956
She had worked hard to maintain her, her reputation, well, sure, so obviously the story was false.

00:53:59.518 --> 00:54:17.487
The woman that they arrested was an annie oakley impersonator see, and that is that's the problem with obviously media, whether it's today or back then, obviously different problems today, then back then fucking an impersonator and they just blame the real one.

00:54:17.487 --> 00:54:29.414
Oh, you're fucking idiots and the damage was done Well that's the problem, because even though it wasn't true, it was this impersonator, nobody fucking cares, especially back in 1901 or 1903.

00:54:30.197 --> 00:54:33.585
No, if Annie Oakley stole pants, then Annie Oakley stole pants.

00:54:34.135 --> 00:54:38.704
As far as anyone's concerned doesn't matter, Because even if the next thing is written, it doesn't matter.

00:54:38.704 --> 00:54:40.161
They saw the first thing.

00:54:40.635 --> 00:54:41.440
So that is wild.

00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.943
And she knew that this would destroy her.

00:54:43.943 --> 00:54:48.827
So she was personally insulted.

00:54:48.827 --> 00:54:56.826
But she was also a savvy businesswoman, right, and knew the potential cost and was willing to fight to clear her name.

00:54:56.826 --> 00:54:57.246
Sure.

00:54:57.246 --> 00:55:04.009
So she sent out telegrams demanding the papers retract the story.

00:55:04.009 --> 00:55:08.061
Most of them did and apologized.

00:55:08.061 --> 00:55:09.585
But it wasn't enough.

00:55:09.585 --> 00:55:18.061
She sued every single paper that ran that story, and I'm sure there was quite a few still.

00:55:18.061 --> 00:55:19.465
Yeah.

00:55:20.016 --> 00:55:21.762
Do you have a number 55.

00:55:21.762 --> 00:55:24.521
Holy balls, how much did you sue each one for?

00:55:25.155 --> 00:55:29.385
I don't know the exact number but, I, do have something at the end.

00:55:29.385 --> 00:55:44.820
Okay, so she did spend her own money on lawyers to fight this, and she spent six years assuming these 55 papers Wow, that's a lot of years.

00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:48.766
I mean, she worked hard to build her reputation.

00:55:48.766 --> 00:55:50.402
She wasn't going to let somebody strip it away.

00:55:50.614 --> 00:55:55.581
Just a fucking blink of an eye basically, especially when it's just a fucking impersonator.

00:55:55.581 --> 00:56:00.773
And they're yeah, basically, especially when it's just a fucking impersonator, and they're like, nope, it's the real one, let's slander her fucking name.

00:56:00.773 --> 00:56:04.382
It's like do some fucking journalistic research, dumb fucks.

00:56:04.382 --> 00:56:09.358
I mean it's kind of horseshit that yeah, no, this is annie oakley.

00:56:09.358 --> 00:56:19.465
Yeah, let's print it yeah don't even put it to the editor, just fucking run with it the newspaper Mongrel Hurst, mongrel, hurst, mongrel.

00:56:20.206 --> 00:56:20.706
Wait, what?

00:56:20.706 --> 00:56:21.688
What's his first name?

00:56:21.688 --> 00:56:22.128
Hurst?

00:56:22.128 --> 00:56:23.688
I don't know his first name.

00:56:23.688 --> 00:56:24.429
It was Hurst.

00:56:24.429 --> 00:56:27.271
It was his name, but he owned one of the Chicago papers.

00:56:27.271 --> 00:56:31.320
But what's the Mongrel Mongrel.

00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:32.561
Mongrel, yeah, what do you the?

00:56:32.601 --> 00:56:33.965
tycoon, a tycoon.

00:56:34.144 --> 00:56:34.965
Is that his first name?

00:56:35.106 --> 00:56:36.528
No, it's his last name.

00:56:36.528 --> 00:56:40.157
It's an adjective Like a tycoon.

00:56:40.918 --> 00:56:45.164
Oh Okay, I guess I've never really heard that Shit now I gotta find out.

00:56:45.164 --> 00:56:49.010
Oh, it's okay, let's just run with it, let's make it a new one.

00:56:49.750 --> 00:56:50.795
Yeah Mongol.

00:56:52.219 --> 00:56:52.760
Mongloid.

00:56:53.963 --> 00:56:58.679
Apparently, mongol is a supervillain In DC Comics.

00:56:58.679 --> 00:56:59.380
Is he really?

00:56:59.380 --> 00:57:03.007
Yup, okay, all right.

00:57:03.007 --> 00:57:04.420
Did I just make something up.

00:57:04.420 --> 00:57:11.045
I'm hoping so, because I thought it meant actual something.

00:57:11.505 --> 00:57:11.927
It's okay.

00:57:13.016 --> 00:57:13.699
Or mogul.

00:57:13.699 --> 00:57:14.483
Maybe it's mogul.

00:57:14.483 --> 00:57:15.440
Maybe there's no N that's it.

00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:16.103
I mean a mogul.

00:57:16.103 --> 00:57:16.788
It's a mogulul, maybe it's mogul.

00:57:16.788 --> 00:57:17.532
Maybe there's no n that's it.

00:57:17.532 --> 00:57:17.875
I mean a mogul.

00:57:17.875 --> 00:57:27.038
It's a mogul, not a mogul, a mogul is an important or powerful person, especially in the motion picture or media industry.

00:57:27.038 --> 00:57:30.282
I know, okay, I know I we got there.

00:57:30.282 --> 00:57:32.885
Hey, I learned something new folks.

00:57:33.547 --> 00:57:38.664
I don't know, that might be the front runner for the episode title.

00:57:39.097 --> 00:57:41.594
Mongol or Mogul Mongol?

00:57:41.594 --> 00:57:44.400
Oh my gosh, that was pretty great.

00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.423
So Hurst tried to dig up dirt on her.

00:57:47.423 --> 00:57:49.543
Couldn't find a freaking thing.

00:57:50.018 --> 00:57:50.605
Of course not.

00:57:50.675 --> 00:57:53.135
Because she's lovely.

00:57:53.135 --> 00:57:54.295
She's a lovely person.

00:57:54.375 --> 00:58:00.784
She's a good little two shoes, you know persona not in a bad no no I know that's why I didn't.

00:58:00.784 --> 00:58:07.405
I, as soon as I said I'm like wrong context because, no, it wasn't in a bad way, she was just that's.

00:58:07.405 --> 00:58:08.568
She was a good person.

00:58:08.568 --> 00:58:14.489
She was a good person and she, yeah, would fabricate some stories for her persona, whatever.

00:58:14.489 --> 00:58:15.291
But so what?

00:58:15.291 --> 00:58:17.096
Look at all the people that do today.

00:58:17.096 --> 00:58:18.139
I mean, so what?

00:58:18.940 --> 00:58:25.858
so annie prepared for each trial, presenting, treating the courtroom like her own stage.

00:58:25.858 --> 00:58:30.288
She denied everything right and she presented herself as a respectable lady.

00:58:30.288 --> 00:58:35.913
Sure, she was super careful in court, right, she dressed in black.

00:58:35.913 --> 00:58:38.942
Oh, she wore small diamond earrings.

00:58:38.942 --> 00:58:44.530
With her hair up, she corrected false statements and she was all about courtesy.

00:58:44.530 --> 00:58:50.427
Okay, and when asked how the article affected her, she said that she felt like she could never perform again.

00:58:51.195 --> 00:58:54.125
Well, right, because her brand is tarnished.

00:58:59.275 --> 00:58:59.856
The jury sided with her.

00:58:59.876 --> 00:59:03.221
She won 54 out of 55 cases did it say why she didn't win the 55th one?

00:59:03.380 --> 00:59:14.826
no, but hearse the mogul hearse the mongol he had to pay 27 000 to her to Good.

00:59:14.826 --> 00:59:16.588
Every other thing was like less.

00:59:16.588 --> 00:59:18.322
That was like the biggest Sure.

00:59:18.322 --> 00:59:22.045
But after paying all of her lawyers she actually lost money.

00:59:22.916 --> 00:59:24.266
I mean, that's usually how it works.

00:59:24.327 --> 00:59:26.501
Even today, that's how it works, but she got her name cleared right.

00:59:26.635 --> 00:59:30.056
Unless you don't have to pay until unless they win, and then you still lose money.

00:59:30.436 --> 00:59:39.481
So, with the lawsuits finally over and he's 50 at this time she went back to the Wild West show Again.

00:59:39.481 --> 00:59:52.092
She was still drawing in major crowds, but her popularity started to wane because, I mean, the times were changing Well, right, and by 1910, she was kind of seen as like a throwback, a way back, you know.

00:59:52.452 --> 00:59:53.793
Well, I mean she is 50.

00:59:56.114 --> 01:00:05.623
I mean that's like 20 years over to life expectancy back then but it's more like but no, that's something that happened back in the day well, yeah, because even though I mean she's born in 1860, this is 1910, 50 years ago.

01:00:06.364 --> 01:00:10.099
So she started, you know, 35 years prior.

01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:18.835
That's a long fucking time and movies were taking over, so like 100 because shooting wasn't necessary.

01:00:18.974 --> 01:00:21.724
No, it wasn't the gimmick, it was at the time.

01:00:21.724 --> 01:00:28.679
When it was they, they made it popular because let's go to the theater and see this movie in silence.

01:00:29.460 --> 01:00:33.344
So so she retired in 1913.

01:00:33.364 --> 01:00:34.666
So she would have been 53.

01:00:34.666 --> 01:00:35.085
Okay.

01:00:35.507 --> 01:00:38.730
But she wasn't really cut out for staying at home.

01:00:38.949 --> 01:00:39.771
For retirement.

01:00:39.911 --> 01:00:42.844
Yeah, frank joked that she was actually a terrible housekeeper.

01:00:43.235 --> 01:00:44.960
So did she go be a Walmart, greeter.

01:00:45.983 --> 01:00:48.521
What, what, that's what a lot of people do.

01:00:48.914 --> 01:00:55.108
They sold their house and they ended up just traveling and they shot and they hunt and they did shows and whatever else.

01:00:55.108 --> 01:01:12.594
So Annie didn't exactly disappear, um, and she also used her fame to encourage women to be active and taught tons of women how to shoot, sure, and she was a big believer in women using guns for self-defense, saying that they should have them at home and carry them when they're out and about and alone.

01:01:12.594 --> 01:01:18.081
Yeah, and even showed them how to hide a gun under an umbrella who doesn't know that?

01:01:19.726 --> 01:01:28.405
so even when she retired, annie was a mix of being a strong woman and a proper lady, and she offered to lead sharpshooters in the war as well.

01:01:28.405 --> 01:01:37.985
World war one right and after world war one broke out, annie said if I would have shot the Kaiser way back when.

01:01:38.326 --> 01:01:41.389
I might have saved the lives of several million soldiers.

01:01:41.570 --> 01:01:42.431
Isn't that messed up?

01:01:42.431 --> 01:01:45.199
Yeah, so after World War I broke out.

01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:52.514
Annie said if I shot the Kaiser I might have saved the lives of several million soldiers Wild.

01:01:52.514 --> 01:01:57.121
I didn't know then that he would swing the iron fist and shake the universe.

01:01:57.121 --> 01:02:01.442
Perhaps it was well for both of us that humans lack foresight.

01:02:01.442 --> 01:02:14.963
According to Frank Butler, he sat down and wrote a letter to Kaiser Wilhelm saying that Annie Oakley wanted to repeat the shot, and the Kaiser never replied.

01:02:19.376 --> 01:02:20.679
She's like she's going gonna assassinate me, oh dear.

01:02:20.699 --> 01:02:21.420
That's kind of cool.

01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:24.347
So in 1922 she did a charity show.

01:02:24.347 --> 01:02:27.775
Oh, charity um, but then she had a car accident.

01:02:27.775 --> 01:02:29.818
After that she had a car.

01:02:29.818 --> 01:02:34.547
She was, yeah, she had a car accident, okay, and it left her with lasting injuries.

01:02:34.547 --> 01:02:45.505
Oh sure, she actually did melt down a lot of her medals and she donated the money, so she's kind of like putting her affairs in order Just the medals that she won through competitions and stuff.

01:02:45.505 --> 01:02:49.503
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's crazy At 66, she was kind of weakening.

01:02:50.554 --> 01:03:07.365
There was some speculation that she was suffering from some lead poisoning with all the shot that she had over the years, especially back then, I can see that Even if she put a bullet in her mouth for a second or whatever, yeah, okay.

01:03:08.297 --> 01:03:12.494
So she ended up dying in her sleep on November 3rd 1926.

01:03:12.494 --> 01:03:15.965
And at the time Frank Butler wasn't at home.

01:03:15.965 --> 01:03:19.425
They have spent all this time together.

01:03:19.615 --> 01:03:22.489
And he missed out on her dying and he wasn't home when she died.

01:03:22.690 --> 01:03:29.804
That's sad he was so distraught by her death that he stopped eating and he died 18 days later in Michigan.

01:03:29.884 --> 01:03:32.983
That happens a lot, but they were together for a long time, I mean.

01:03:33.554 --> 01:03:36.521
It was said 50 years, so Well so.

01:03:36.581 --> 01:03:37.503
I didn't do the math.

01:03:37.503 --> 01:03:40.168
She died when 1926.

01:03:40.168 --> 01:03:42.141
So she would have been 66.

01:03:42.141 --> 01:03:45.985
He was 14 years older than her when they started courting and all that.

01:03:45.985 --> 01:03:48.681
So yeah, he would have been.

01:03:48.681 --> 01:03:49.784
You said 66 for her.

01:03:50.135 --> 01:03:52.603
Yeah, and they married in 76.

01:03:53.675 --> 01:03:55.322
Yeah, because she would have been 16.

01:03:55.322 --> 01:04:00.862
So he probably would have been 30 at the time 29, I think is what they said.

01:04:00.862 --> 01:04:02.880
I thought that's when they went Either way.

01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:03.914
29, 30.

01:04:04.155 --> 01:04:04.818
Sorry, no, you're right.

01:04:04.818 --> 01:04:05.099
30.

01:04:05.501 --> 01:04:05.943
Doesn't matter.

01:04:05.943 --> 01:04:09.983
14 years basically, so he would have been 80 years old.

01:04:09.983 --> 01:04:15.307
Yeah, so that's wild that he made it to 80 and she died at 66.

01:04:15.367 --> 01:04:15.528
Yeah.

01:04:15.896 --> 01:04:17.521
He wasn't even there to see her go.

01:04:17.521 --> 01:04:18.083
That's sad.

01:04:18.996 --> 01:04:23.547
But she was cremated and he was buried next to her ashes in Greenville, ohio.

01:04:23.547 --> 01:04:40.099
Oh, okay, so there is a vast collection of Annie's personal possessions, performance memorabilia and firearms on a permanent exhibit in the garst museum in the national annie oakley center in greenville, ohio.

01:04:40.099 --> 01:04:59.420
Okay, she has been inducted into the traps shooting hall of fame oh, that's cool the national cowgirl museum and hall of fame in fort worth, texas that's funny the national women's hall of fame, the ohio women's hall of fame and, randomly, new jersey's hall of fame.

01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:09.922
What I don't know okay, but that is the story of phoebe and moses, aka annie oakley aka phoebe and mosey.

01:05:10.483 --> 01:05:12.507
Yeah, that's funny.

01:05:12.507 --> 01:05:13.929
Yeah, as soon as you like.

01:05:13.929 --> 01:05:17.835
Yeah, that's funny.

01:05:17.835 --> 01:05:18.356
Yeah, as soon as you like.

01:05:18.376 --> 01:05:20.242
We're starting to say the time frame, phoebe, and I'm like, no, this is annie oakley.

01:05:20.262 --> 01:05:27.244
I just I could just tell, and which is awesome, because I I didn't know a lot about, of that, about her yeah um, obviously I've known of her, of course.

01:05:27.244 --> 01:05:42.289
Um, and especially with the, uh, I want to mix up the like you did for the wild bill, hickok and the buffalo bill coney um, see, that's what I was probably messing up with, that nebraska thing.

01:05:42.871 --> 01:05:44.077
I know I'm thinking of something.

01:05:44.077 --> 01:05:46.548
I'm pretty sure it's in nebraska sarah would probably remember.

01:05:46.548 --> 01:05:47.695
I don't remember.

01:05:47.695 --> 01:05:53.603
Off the top of my head I've had a couple beverages, but anyways, um, that's wild.

01:05:53.603 --> 01:05:54.885
I didn't realize that.

01:05:54.885 --> 01:06:09.346
I knew she was very popular, didn't know how it progressed the way it did and I mean, basically it was her skill came out of a necessity which was providing for the family, kind of thing.

01:06:09.346 --> 01:06:11.701
So that's pretty wild that she had to.

01:06:11.701 --> 01:06:17.306
Hey, we want to eat, let me go shoot this squirrel or whatever animal is in front of me, kind of thing.

01:06:18.396 --> 01:06:23.688
She kind of gets mixed up a little bit with Calamity, jane, oh sure.

01:06:23.835 --> 01:06:24.217
Calamity.

01:06:24.217 --> 01:06:25.342
Jane was a fucking drunk.

01:06:26.275 --> 01:06:28.719
She was actually in.

01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.565
So she was in Missouri.

01:06:31.565 --> 01:06:33.148
Yeah, In South Dakota.

01:06:33.394 --> 01:06:35.730
Yes, because she was in Deadwood not just because of the show, but I believe she actually was in Missouri.

01:06:35.730 --> 01:06:35.990
Yeah, in South Dakota.

01:06:35.990 --> 01:06:39.664
Yes, because she she was in Deadwood not just because of the show, but I believe she actually was in Deadwood.

01:06:39.664 --> 01:06:42.916
Yes, because she was friends with with Wild Bill Hickok.

01:06:43.016 --> 01:06:45.362
Yes, yes, so there's there.

01:06:45.362 --> 01:06:56.516
People think there's a little bit of overlap, but there's really not no, there really isn't they were kind of around the same um time frame just confusion, I think but yes, I, it's all the quote-unquote.

01:06:56.516 --> 01:06:58.063
West Wild West.

01:06:58.063 --> 01:07:03.159
Yes, but Annie Oakley was Ohio, calamity Jane was South Dakota.

01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:09.550
Yeah, correct, yeah, so I just want to make that clear and Annie Oakley prim proper persona.

01:07:09.996 --> 01:07:10.838
Calamity Jane, no.

01:07:11.914 --> 01:07:13.161
Drunkard Not so much.

01:07:13.161 --> 01:07:14.461
Not so much.

01:07:14.461 --> 01:07:16.291
Maybe we'll do an episode on here.

01:07:16.291 --> 01:07:17.737
Stay tuned for a future episode.

01:07:17.737 --> 01:07:24.735
We should go to deadwood and do that I absolutely want to go to deadwood and do that.

01:07:24.735 --> 01:07:26.501
I would love to let's do that.

01:07:26.501 --> 01:07:38.561
I haven't do you think my friend would um skip her walk at graduation tomorrow so we can go do that so we can go to like deadwood uh, we can stop by and pick up the third microphone.

01:07:38.601 --> 01:07:39.385
She can be on the podcast.

01:07:39.385 --> 01:07:40.590
Let's do that.

01:07:40.590 --> 01:07:44.420
That sounds way better than walking for a graduation it does.

01:07:44.420 --> 01:07:47.427
No, I'm here for her of course we're here for her.

01:07:47.748 --> 01:08:01.208
That's why we're doing this okay, so between this whole episode I've had to pause to cough and stuff like that and sniff and whatever sniff I had, I had the sniffles is what I meant.

01:08:01.208 --> 01:08:08.922
Sounded weird, but yes cough and sniffles, blow my nose, and while that he um got up to get several more alcoholic beverages.

01:08:08.922 --> 01:08:19.345
So tell you are now three in to my two thirds of this yingling Like I thought.

01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:22.284
It got better as I drank more.

01:08:22.284 --> 01:08:36.042
Like most alcoholic beverages do, the initial flavor is okay, I'm not going to say great, but it drops off with that soda water they call it.

01:08:36.042 --> 01:08:38.643
On this one it drops off.

01:08:38.643 --> 01:08:42.185
I'm not a huge soda water kind of guy.

01:08:42.185 --> 01:08:50.302
I like tonic, which to me is way different, not so much because soda water to me is more like club soda.

01:08:50.302 --> 01:08:56.583
I could be wrong but no, it got better as I drank more.

01:08:56.583 --> 01:09:02.460
This fourth one will probably be amazing um.

01:09:02.820 --> 01:09:05.344
I liked my ying ling ying ling.

01:09:05.463 --> 01:09:09.210
It again it's, it's very basic, it's a beer.

01:09:09.229 --> 01:09:25.158
There's not a ton of flavor to it, it's a beer but uh, I could, I could easily drink this when I sold beer I had this account, um, and it was a liquor store but he had a bar upstairs and I got to know the bartender and then he built a new store, he moved over, whatever.

01:09:25.158 --> 01:09:27.984
Anyways, sad, very nice guy.

01:09:27.984 --> 01:09:31.096
I remember it was at the original place.

01:09:31.096 --> 01:09:33.582
I like pale ales.

01:09:33.582 --> 01:09:37.676
You know that I like ipas, all that, the hazies, all that stuff.

01:09:37.676 --> 01:09:39.962
I'm not a huge lager fan.

01:09:39.962 --> 01:09:44.539
I don't remember which beer we were talking about at the time, but I'm like yeah, I don't really like lagers.

01:09:44.539 --> 01:09:47.046
She's like oh so you don't like beer?

01:09:47.046 --> 01:09:59.538
Flavored beer like no, I don't, I guess, because that's traditionally what a beer is supposed to be like if you boil it down, obviously, many, many years ago.

01:09:59.538 --> 01:10:01.622
Lots of variations now, blah, blah, blah.

01:10:01.622 --> 01:10:05.836
But no, I, I, I like lagers, I like modelo.

01:10:05.836 --> 01:10:08.921
I mean, you love modelo, but for what?

01:10:08.921 --> 01:10:13.998
That is not like, it's not going to blow you out of the water there's definitely not much to it.

01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:17.408
No, it's just a beer, literally just a beer.

01:10:17.408 --> 01:10:22.207
So again I knew it wasn't going to be anything like to knock your socks off.

01:10:22.454 --> 01:10:26.965
No, but I hadn't tried it and, like you said, it's the oldest brewery apparently.

01:10:27.595 --> 01:10:29.783
In the United States if I'm not mistaken.

01:10:29.783 --> 01:10:35.948
So I wanted you to try it because, again, we don't get it out by us, eventually we will.

01:10:35.948 --> 01:10:38.617
It will eventually make its way to Wisconsin, I think.

01:10:38.617 --> 01:10:42.881
But we happen to be here, I saw it.

01:10:42.881 --> 01:10:48.877
I'm like you gotta at least try it, because you've never had it before and we were trying to go for something, and that's why I got mine.

01:10:48.877 --> 01:10:49.880
From what did I say?

01:10:49.921 --> 01:11:11.367
Indianapolis, it's from yes since we're on location, which we don't get to do very often, uh, besides either the pod loft or your place, um, we wanted to try something more ish local, which I understand yours is technically not local to where we are, but we also can't get it where we're from.

01:11:11.367 --> 01:11:13.921
So, um, no, I, I enjoyed mine.

01:11:13.921 --> 01:11:19.184
Once I drank more of them and I'm glad you, you know again, you didn't hate it.

01:11:19.895 --> 01:11:22.355
No, it was fine, it's nothing phenomenal, it's just.

01:11:22.476 --> 01:11:23.881
It's a beer, cheese sticks.

01:11:23.881 --> 01:11:25.600
You have cheese sticks.

01:11:26.095 --> 01:11:29.659
Sorry, squirrel, I have cheese sticks next to me.

01:11:29.659 --> 01:11:33.060
Welp, I suppose I'm going to eat some cheese sticks.

01:11:33.675 --> 01:11:34.417
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