Jan. 21, 2025

Over the Hills and Far Away: Jacquie Davis

Over the Hills and Far Away: Jacquie Davis
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Picture this: a refreshing gin and tonic in hand, an exclusive new intro and outro song by Cory Akers in your ears, and a captivating story ready to unfold. Welcome to another episode of History Buffoons, where we spice things up with exciting updates and a touch of humor. We share our thoughts on a potential logo makeover that aligns us more closely with our companion podcast, Origin of Weird, and recount a friend's hilarious logo suggestion that had us laughing out loud. As we sip on our locally sourced gin from Plymouth's Plank Road Distillery, we set the stage for a thrilling historical narrative.

Journey with us as we unravel the extraordinary life of Jacquie Davis, the UK’s first female bodyguard, who broke barriers in the 1970s. From protecting the wives of Gulf sheiks to executing daring rescue missions in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, Jacquie’s story is one of grit, resilience, and groundbreaking achievements in a male-dominated industry. We highlight her transition from a London police officer to an elite bodyguard, emphasizing her adaptability and courage. As Jacquie navigates high-stakes escape missions, her expertise and innovative strategies shine, offering a glimpse into the challenging yet enthralling world of private security. We also touch on Jacquie’s role as a media consultant and her contributions to the Netflix film "Close," leaving you with an appreciation for her illustrious career. 

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The Circuit: The world’s top female bodyguard reveals the truth about her career in covert operations by Ms Jacquie Davis

https://www.amazon.com/Circuit-worlds-bodyguard-reveals-operations/dp/1916379400/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2PZLLJ6YDUTY6&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.U90SIxX1NpLQWE_3Uu5bi9LF6FyOdgi2PeT_3ZzmRc-TTI385BvY2QgcqnWlmfHgrrogk8ke4B1kA3uq_BWdqV7tKdYZ9my9tL3ze84Jx2rpWftadsSNgnCx85NaHEEz.ZAGAEoMiICqnYx71KM4uDxNx72OW76Zx34EOcy-THaY&dib_tag=se&keywords=jacquie+davis&qid=1736948061&sprefix=jacquie+davis%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-1



The UK’s first ever female bodyguard Jacquie Davis on protecting the A-list, male egos and narrow escapes by Susie Mesure

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-first-female-bodyguard-jacquie-davis-a-list-mal

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Chapters

00:15 - Origin of Plank Road Distillery

08:22 - Female Bodyguard Training and Experience

18:46 - Desperate Attempt to Rescue Myra

33:40 - High-Stakes Escape Mission From Saudi

39:39 - Rescue Mission for Pregnant American Woman

52:37 - Escape Mission Through Conflict Zone

59:22 - Rescue Mission to London

01:13:33 - Continuing the History Buffoons Journey

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Oh, hey there, oh hey there.

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We are the Buffoons of History.

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I'm Bradley, I'm Kate.

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How are you today, kate?

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Well, I'm a buffoon.

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How are?

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oh, yeah, yeah, yeah although I'm learning a lot oh, so am I a lot a lot, a lot.

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I really have been enjoying some of our topics.

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Uh shit, I just did not know yeah so we've been getting some really good um suggestions for people and, and they're all great so keep them coming because we got to entertain Al.

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Somehow.

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There it is, but also real quick.

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People who do listen to us may have noticed a little bit of a musical change in the beginning and the end of our of our episodes.

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So, um, my brother and I have played music pretty much the majority of our lives.

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My brother's very talented and, um, his main instrument is guitar but he can do a lot of stuff.

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So I reached out to him to say, hey, we would like a song specifically for us and we want you to write it.

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And he happened to have a song that he wrote almost I think it was over five years ago that he's just been sitting on.

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So he sent it to us and kate and I listened to it and we're like that's fucking great.

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So we have a new intro song written by my brother, cory acres, and, uh, we just wanted to give him a little shout out and say thank you for your contribution to, uh, history buffoons yes, thank you, cory and origin weird, so we greatly appreciate it.

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So we just wanted to give him a little recognition on that because, again, not just because he's my brother he's doing his hard work he is very, very talented musician and plays an amazing guitar, all self-taught and all that stuff.

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So he's, uh, he contributed to our podcast.

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So that's very cool, because, I don't know, I really like it, you like it, so so, thank you, cory, and uh, yeah, that's our new song.

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At the beginning and during the outro is from my brother, cory, so and we may be changing our logo that's a possibility we're yeah we're toying with it a little bit yeah it's in focus groups right now.

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Focus groups yeah something like that.

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Um, so we absolutely love the logo that we came up with for origin of weird.

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It's just it fits it so well and we're like, well, do we do we mess with the history buffoons logo and so we're kind of toying around with it a little bit.

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We like our logo.

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I think it's fitting for us.

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I mean, I made it well kate created it all on her her own, so, and I, I like it, but we're just like, do we want something a little more in line?

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So, apparently, these focus groups you speak of, um, are, uh, considering alternatives.

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We have a couple that we've come up with, or whatever, but we're not sure.

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So if, if anyone does want to chime in on that, do you like our current logo?

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Would you like to see a different logo?

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We would like to hear from you, yeah, but um, ultimately it's up to us, so, whatever ultimately doesn't matter what you think yeah, and opinions, and opinion, but uh everyone's entitled to one.

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But now, so we might we're toying around with changing up the logo a little bit.

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I mean, I know we've only been around for a little over four months, but now's the time to do it yeah, before we hit it big.

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No, that's not why we're doing this.

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We just we rather enjoy doing this, so we're just trying to make a little more cohesive with the origin and with the history.

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Buffoons, that's all we just wanted to say.

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Hey, what do you think of our logo?

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So, al, let us know, and don't draw a rocket that looks like a dick on the picture what, yeah, one of the things we I think I showed that to you, didn't I One of the prototypes of the new logo I sent what do you think of this as our new logo?

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It's like he wrote a rocket ship on it.

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He's like it's cool, but it needs a rocket ship on it.

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And then he sent me the same picture back with basically a dick drawn on it.

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So, uh, thanks, al.

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No, thanks Al.

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Appreciate that constructive criticism there, but maybe not a penis on our logo Anywho, okay so we've got a drink in front of us.

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Yeah.

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So we're not doing a beer today.

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We're doing a cocktail which we like to do from time to time.

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It's a Bradley and Kate staple.

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We like to enjoy these.

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It's not the fancy one I I made, however long ago that was now but it is a gin and tonic and I'll let kate say where it's from.

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So it's from the store sometimes I don't know why I do this with you okay, so we um are drinking gin and tonic with diet or sugar-free tonic, which we both enjoy over the fur yeah and the gin we got from a distillery where we pretty nathan and I pretty much like lived across the street from them yeah, that's what you said and we were one of their first customers, but it's the plank road distillery in.

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Plymouth.

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Wisconsin, and it has gotten so big.

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Not the building, but just the amount of popularity, much popularity.

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Yeah, it has gotten so big in popularity and they even have some merch and they sell their liquor.

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But when you go in they actually have pre-made cocktails.

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Right, so you would get the pre-made cocktails, but then you could buy the actual booze yeah.

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They have little glasses and just a t-shirt.

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Lots of stuff and it's just a couple who did this, which?

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is awesome.

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Yeah, and a lot of the wood that they have in there was original to the building from like way back in the day, so you know you probably remember the time.

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But but plank road distillery has, can I?

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tell you something real quick.

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Yeah, do you know what it's like walking with jesus?

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I do, anyways plank road distillery has agave and whiskeys and bourbons and gin and I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff that I'm just not thinking of right now.

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They have quite a wide variety.

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Uh, nathan.

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I got to sample a bunch with nathan we tried a boatload of the stuff that he brought home corn whiskey right there, that was.

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That was a good one.

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Yep, I like that, but it was.

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It was fun sampling right, that was one, that was a good one.

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Yep, I like that, but it was fun sampling all those with Nathan.

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They have some good stuff, though, but we went with a just simple gin and tonic, with their gin today.

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Yes, so it is quite delicious, but we just wanted to give a shout out to the Plank Road Distillery in Plymouth, wisconsin.

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So keep up the good work, so.

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So I have a question for you.

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You do.

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Yeah, when you think of bodyguards, what do you think of Kevin Costner?

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That's what I put down.

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I literally put down Kevin Costner.

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Exclamation point great movie.

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Do you know?

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I've never seen that movie.

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Oh man, it's with Whitney Houston, right.

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Yes, and it's so good.

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I mean to each her own.

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I'm not a huge Whitney Houston fan.

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But Her.

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Coke days were pretty good but Her voice, well, it's iconic.

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Iconic yeah.

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It's so good, so good, and all the songs in there are amazing.

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Anyway, yes, kevin Costner.

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Well no, when you say bodyguard the age that I'm at, I instantly go to the movie.

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So yep.

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Thanks, Kevin.

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Thanks, Kevin, oh wow.

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So we're going to talk about the first female bodyguard in the uk okay from the 70s first female bodyguard in the 70s.

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Who is she a bodyguard of?

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I will tell you oh yeah that was part of your research it was as a matter of fact thank goodness um.

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Her name is jack Davis.

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Jackie Davis yes, and she spells her name Jackie J-A-C-Q-U-I-E.

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So she's one of those weird people.

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No, she's really fantastic.

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She's still alive and she's still very active.

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How do you spell it?

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J-a-c-q-u-i-e.

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Actually, sarah worked with somebody who spelled it that same way.

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It's a very different way of spelling, jackie.

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So 1977.

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Jackie's 19.

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I was negative two.

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And she was a police officer in London.

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Oh, was she yeah.

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At 19,.

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She was a police officer.

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Was she a constable?

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She never actually mentioned that I did, so I didn't mention this.

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I was going to mention it at the end, but all the material that I got, yeah, it's from her personal biography.

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Oh she, so she wrote one.

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Yeah, was it actually written by her?

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yes, it was nice yeah, she is the author.

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It's called the circuit do you know what cop means cop C-O-P, cop yeah Police.

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Constable on patrol.

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Oh really yeah, apparently Didn't know that, yeah.

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Okay.

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So she started off being stationed in North London and she would catch people stealing weird things Priced horses on fair day.

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What?

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Really yes, they would Really yes, they would be stealing horses.

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They would actually dye the horses.

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Like in the Wizard of Oz, and it was super entertaining when it would rain.

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Well, yeah, because it's like they're bleeding their color, basically, wow.

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Yeah, I'm not going to dwell on that, because it's weird.

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But, she then moved to the south of london where everything was different.

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Um she was.

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She was put on the shoplifting unit okay and she would hang out at bus stops and asian owned corner shops why?

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why was she singling out the asians?

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because a lot of people actually would go in as like a group of people similar to 40 Elephants, right, that's what was going through my brain.

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There would be a group of them going in and like stealing.

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Did they have a white fur coat on, or whatever?

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That was no, a white coat.

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Their posse would go into the shops, take what they want, and they would just leave without a hiccup.

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Sure Jackie was really good at picking out shoplifters from stores.

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Just by watching their eyes, even like you can see them like darting back and forth looking for someone.

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Yeah, um, cctv wasn't a thing back then.

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No, but this was actually a nine to five job and she wasn't making the money that she wanted buck 50 a day.

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Stay tuned, folks so she heard a sergeant from another precinct um had um was in need of a female bodyguard.

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Like he was actually seeking out a female to perform for for what reason was he seeking out a female bodyguard?

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I will tell you okay so he was in need of a female and she's super interested.

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So she contacts him, she has an interview and she, because of what she was doing on on the job, she had 15 days of PTO.

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Oh, so she immediately took the PTO.

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Don't blame her.

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And got this job.

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Good for her.

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Moonlighting, which is what she was doing, was a fire, fireable offense, but a lot of cops did it sure, just to make it.

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Yeah, because they weren't making the money right yeah, so her first gig was protecting a sheikah, a sheikah, sheikah, sheikah, a sheik, a sheik, a sheik's wife oh, a sheikica.

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Okay, yes, so she was one of three chicas of a gulf country it was not specified what country okay um, but she would, this wife would go on extravagant shopping trips I'm sure she would money was not an issue in any way for this woman and her kids kind of like in jurassic park spared no expense.

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Yes, exactly so jackie would be in a limo with the chica, her kids, her nanny, her, you know her, everybody, whatever her entourage.

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Yeah, exactly, exactly yeah, um, and then there would be a limo in front of them with surveillance team oh wow, really yep and there would be a limo behind them as a backup limo in case they need to switch limos that's wild yeah, I barely can afford a car, let alone a backup cloak and dagger.

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Did you ever see that movie?

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that's a movie I will educate you later so once at the store, the first limo surveillance team would like go in quickly and sweep the store sure, just to make sure everything's kosher, yes, and then the she could would, um, arrive there and she would have two bodyguards in front of her and two behind her.

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Wow, where?

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And I think jackie was might might have been behind, uh, in front of her.

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Okay, um, but they would escort her quickly through the store to like a designer room and like everybody would come to her then yeah, so she didn't, she didn't have to walk the floor.

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Basically she could shop in private.

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Essentially gotcha okay.

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And jackie was like this is so fucking glamorous.

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Well, she loved it I can imagine it certainly felt that way because of what she was doing, compared to what she's doing now.

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It's like fuck, that's quite the turn, yeah and the sheikah had a had a couple of kids who are also like money is no object right um, and at any moment jackie's thinking.

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This person, these people are rich, they're politically sensitive people um, they're famous.

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There is a risk of kidnap at any moment.

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Sure, no, that makes sense, yeah so the gulf royals would come to visit for in london for weeks at a time yeah, it makes sense to.

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Yeah, it's not like a week trip or day trip or anything right they would come and stay for a while, so okay and they would like they would literally like take over the top floor of, like the international um hotel that they would went to the whole floor was theirs?

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Oh yeah, Because then they don't have to worry about anyone else.

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And then the other two wives had their own hotels.

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They had two other wives.

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Three wives, yeah, I mentioned the Sheikah is one of three.

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Oh, so the Sheikah had three wives?

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Yes, because that's their religion.

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Yes, or whatever, gotcha Okay that makes sense wow yes.

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So when she wasn't guarding the royals, she would join a retailer um, one in particular liberties um, and she would scope out thefts from both clients and employees.

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And she actually caught a couple of employees from like stealing from the company, sure.

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So jackie attended a specialized training for those um on what they called the circuit okay and it's just like um essentially, when police say I'm on the job right right, I'm on the circuit oh, okay, okay, and it's and it's a lot of um personal surveillance and bodyguards and that kind of thing okay, so, um, her training lasted for three weeks.

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Eight people were in this course with her, and jackie was the only woman they lived on site in like dilapidated, like pre-fabricated huts in an old army camp oh geez yeah, they would wake up at 5 am to run every, and then they would have breakfast.

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Oh dear.

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Food, I like food.

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Yeah, you eat a lot.

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Then they would add a few hours of personal training, instruction, and then in the afternoon and evening they would be in a classroom or they would be doing practical experience like they learned reconnaissance, surveillance, map reading, first aid, firearms, drill protocols, how to address a head of state, sure Um, all the way to like, which fork to use at which part of the dinner or whatever Wow.

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And how to um get a principal or a client in and out of a car.

00:16:48.342 --> 00:16:53.969
It would be choreographed essentially like a dance on how to get someone out of a car and into a car.

00:16:54.149 --> 00:16:54.691
Sure, wow.

00:16:54.691 --> 00:16:59.010
I mean, I guess that makes sense because they want it efficient, yep.

00:16:59.942 --> 00:17:18.028
And they also learn defensive and evasive driving techniques and how to spin a car 180 degrees, 180 degrees there it is and block a suspect vehicle when traveling in a convoy okay, I mean three weeks of just intensive yeah, that's intensive training, that's.

00:17:18.068 --> 00:17:19.050
That's a lot yeah.

00:17:19.992 --> 00:17:26.574
So before the training she knew that she could protect the Sheikah and her children.

00:17:26.574 --> 00:17:33.724
But after the training she realized she wouldn't have done a good job the first time, right, if something were to happen.

00:17:33.724 --> 00:17:35.679
Right right, she is ready.

00:17:35.679 --> 00:17:40.229
She is absolutely able now to actually do her job well.

00:17:40.449 --> 00:17:40.789
Okay, yeah.

00:17:40.950 --> 00:17:51.381
That's wild okay, yeah, that's wild.

00:17:51.381 --> 00:17:57.133
So jackie ends up meeting at a, at a I think it was a conference, um for police or surveillance, um guards and stuff like that okay I don't know how to describe it.

00:17:57.133 --> 00:17:57.513
That's fine.

00:17:57.513 --> 00:18:11.487
Yeah, um, she met ann and buddy walker ann and buddy walker they had a firm called the iss, the international security services okay their market was actually child rescue.

00:18:11.988 --> 00:18:39.663
Oh, wow yeah and um, I think they were in north carolina, so she was stateside at this point gotcha so so did she move no, no, she would travel all over the world for trainings and different things, so so at this time jackie stateside she meets ann and buddy gotcha gotcha okay so when two people from different cultures cultures marry the children end up trapped where one of the parents doesn't want them to be what do you mean?

00:18:39.663 --> 00:18:46.494
So I will give you two examples coming up Gotcha.

00:18:46.494 --> 00:18:49.730
But essentially the ISS helped mothers get their children back.

00:18:51.064 --> 00:18:51.346
Oh, okay.

00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:58.071
So Ann said that their firm gets about 300 letters a week for help, asking for help.

00:18:58.071 --> 00:19:04.319
Wow yeah, and she really struggles with that because she cannot afford to help the mothers.

00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:29.936
The mothers can't pay for all the services and reconnaissance that's needed to to extract the children sure, no, that makes a very pricey situation a lot goes into it, so it's understandable fares, accommodations, bribes, if needed, equipment, maybeipment, maybe a chopper, a boat, renting a car, anything like that, jesus, all of that is expenses.

00:19:29.957 --> 00:19:35.428
Okay, so Ann was having a really really hard time Because she can't just Do what she wants to do yes.

00:19:35.500 --> 00:19:37.907
But money was Tight, tight, yeah, yeah.

00:19:39.826 --> 00:19:43.682
So Ann received a call from a woman who had recently been to Saudi Arabia.

00:19:43.682 --> 00:19:46.586
Okay, there she met my, so Anne received a call from a woman who had recently been to Saudi Arabia.

00:19:46.586 --> 00:19:52.413
Okay, there she met Myra Myra, an American mother, okay, who was being held against her will, oh, with her children.

00:19:52.634 --> 00:19:52.934
Oh dear.

00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:07.606
With this woman's help, the woman who had called about Myra, myra, was able to ask Anne officially for help, so Anne met this woman.

00:20:08.462 --> 00:20:10.744
Was that a thing Like she had to officially ask yes?

00:20:10.744 --> 00:20:13.934
Yeah, pretty much For legality we need to make sure that this is legit.

00:20:13.934 --> 00:20:16.220
Gotcha and we don't waste our resources on this.

00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:18.602
I mean that makes sense because, like you said, it's expensive.

00:20:18.642 --> 00:20:26.607
So yeah, so Myra is being held hostage and she was able to ask Anne officially I need help, Please come Get me out of here.

00:20:26.607 --> 00:20:31.832
Yes, so Myra met her Saudi husband while attending a university in Washington State.

00:20:32.352 --> 00:20:32.511
Okay.

00:20:32.673 --> 00:20:36.275
He was charming, earned a good living and over the years they had five children.

00:20:36.275 --> 00:20:37.276
That's a lot of years.

00:20:37.796 --> 00:20:38.596
That's a lot of children.

00:20:38.737 --> 00:20:38.916
Yeah.

00:20:38.916 --> 00:20:40.941
I got two, and that's enough.

00:20:40.941 --> 00:20:41.961
Three boys, two girls.

00:20:42.242 --> 00:20:42.663
Damn.

00:20:43.003 --> 00:20:44.105
And the oldest was 10.

00:20:44.105 --> 00:20:49.032
Okay, oh, wow so they were together for a long time.

00:20:49.472 --> 00:20:49.814
Right In.

00:20:49.874 --> 00:20:50.474
Washington?

00:20:50.474 --> 00:20:54.324
No doubt Then, mr Husband man.

00:20:54.744 --> 00:20:56.748
Mr Husband man, I like that name.

00:20:56.968 --> 00:21:01.074
He suggested that they take the family to the Middle East, because that's where he's from.

00:21:01.354 --> 00:21:02.215
Yeah, weird.

00:21:04.342 --> 00:21:04.929
Let's see where I grew up.

00:21:04.929 --> 00:21:06.442
Let's make a nice family holiday.

00:21:06.442 --> 00:21:08.630
You can meet the grandparents, so you can meet.

00:21:08.630 --> 00:21:15.391
You can meet the in-laws yeah exactly, exactly, wow, after 10 years of being together he's like let's go.

00:21:15.672 --> 00:21:17.076
That seems weird yeah.

00:21:17.155 --> 00:21:21.045
So cousins, grandparents, nephews, nieces, let's meet the whole.

00:21:21.045 --> 00:21:23.630
We'll make it a nice family holiday.

00:21:23.650 --> 00:21:25.734
I have a barbecue.

00:21:26.019 --> 00:21:33.269
They would stay in a large villa in Riyadh and there would be servants and chauffeurs that would accommodate them.

00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:36.126
How wonderful, I mean, it sounds amazing.

00:21:36.146 --> 00:21:36.788
Amazing.

00:21:37.169 --> 00:21:37.951
Sign me up.

00:21:38.311 --> 00:21:40.884
Yeah, and then Mr Husband man changed.

00:21:42.448 --> 00:21:44.211
Why how?

00:21:44.211 --> 00:21:51.300
So Do tell, do tell, he got mean.

00:21:51.320 --> 00:21:57.201
Oh, he got moody, he got arrogant his time of the decade, or yeah, he confiscated meyer's passport that's a dick move took a full-time job.

00:21:57.201 --> 00:22:04.153
Job in riad he did okay so they can't leave because I got a job now I mean, you still can leave.

00:22:04.259 --> 00:22:04.521
Fuck you, dude.

00:22:04.541 --> 00:22:06.411
He announced that she and their children were his property and no one was going.

00:22:06.411 --> 00:22:07.435
Okay, so they can't leave because I got a job now.

00:22:07.435 --> 00:22:07.999
I mean you still can leave.

00:22:07.999 --> 00:22:08.279
Fuck you, dude.

00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:14.700
He announced that she and their children were his property and no one was going to return to America.

00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:19.227
He employed servants, who were his eyes and ears for everything.

00:22:19.227 --> 00:22:28.691
So I mean, can I ask how do you do that for 10 years and then all of a sudden, because clearly that's how he was right, right, obviously.

00:22:28.830 --> 00:22:29.011
Yeah.

00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:31.067
So it's like you're doing this for 10 years.

00:22:31.067 --> 00:22:33.886
That is called a long con, for sure.

00:22:33.886 --> 00:22:35.612
A long con, holy fuck.

00:22:35.612 --> 00:22:38.950
Because like you're in the state, you're stateside for 10 years.

00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:40.192
Washington State.

00:22:40.192 --> 00:22:42.166
You said right, at least 10 years yeah.

00:22:47.059 --> 00:22:48.182
And you're like let's have some kids.

00:22:48.182 --> 00:22:49.785
I love you, honey, let's go meet my family now.

00:22:49.785 --> 00:22:51.228
No, I own you.

00:22:51.228 --> 00:22:52.329
You're my property.

00:22:52.329 --> 00:22:53.972
These kids are my property.

00:22:53.972 --> 00:22:54.713
You're not.

00:22:54.713 --> 00:22:55.701
They're not even your kids.

00:22:55.701 --> 00:22:56.924
You're their fucking property.

00:22:56.924 --> 00:22:57.306
Now which?

00:22:57.326 --> 00:23:00.760
this is weird and maybe it's not in the book.

00:23:00.760 --> 00:23:02.664
So this is all speculation, right, maybe?

00:23:02.664 --> 00:23:09.637
Maybe once he did get to Saudi Arabia and met his family, he was kind of like pushed into.

00:23:09.698 --> 00:23:10.599
Coerced into being that way.

00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:15.632
Yeah, coerced into being the way that everyone else is there, but okay, but I don't know.

00:23:17.323 --> 00:23:18.126
I get coercion.

00:23:18.126 --> 00:23:23.372
I understand, like the concept of it and everything, but it's like you were this way for 10 fucking years with this person.

00:23:23.612 --> 00:23:23.792
Yeah.

00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.126
Maybe more's like you were this way for 10 fucking years with this person.

00:23:36.126 --> 00:23:37.371
Yeah, maybe more like you said how do you change like that?

00:23:37.391 --> 00:23:38.815
I get things happen, but like couldn't be like we should probably go.

00:23:38.835 --> 00:23:49.047
Honey, my family's making me do this and I so clearly, so clearly he was that way he had to have been he was just building up his fucking I'm not even done yet with this story I know which is sad, so I'm sorry.

00:23:49.067 --> 00:23:52.843
So I'm gonna give you like a few stories that jackie had involved with.

00:23:52.843 --> 00:23:54.867
Involvement with um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:54.867 --> 00:23:58.041
So, like I said, he had servants for his eyes and ears.

00:23:58.041 --> 00:24:01.212
Um, they reported everything to him, right?

00:24:01.212 --> 00:24:05.163
Um, he had found out that myra tried to call the us embassy and he broke her ribs.

00:24:05.163 --> 00:24:07.748
Oh shit, and he tried.

00:24:07.748 --> 00:24:12.584
She tried to call a family member in america and he broke her arm what's, what's his, what's this?

00:24:12.604 --> 00:24:17.140
guy's name again, mr husband man I mean that's, that's a good name there.

00:24:17.361 --> 00:24:19.663
Um, there wasn't a ton of names.

00:24:19.663 --> 00:24:24.069
Um, I think I don't even think his name was.

00:24:24.069 --> 00:24:27.996
There's another story in here where the name was mentioned, but I don't know.

00:24:28.356 --> 00:24:29.698
I just that's fine, that's fine.

00:24:29.698 --> 00:24:33.026
I was just curious, cause I just want to call him a dick.

00:24:33.227 --> 00:24:33.487
Yeah.

00:24:34.830 --> 00:24:36.506
Mr Husband demands a dick.

00:24:37.019 --> 00:24:38.286
Myra desperate.

00:24:38.286 --> 00:24:39.766
She actually had an opening.

00:24:39.766 --> 00:24:44.950
She would take the children to the to the golf house for the summer, While his.

00:24:44.950 --> 00:24:47.019
She would take the children to the to the golf house for the summer, Um, while his.

00:24:47.019 --> 00:24:48.961
I don't even know where that is Like.

00:24:48.961 --> 00:24:50.728
This is all coming from her book, so she.

00:24:50.819 --> 00:24:59.027
she leaves out some details, but which is probably probably for the protection of the people Like we don't even know what golf country yeah.

00:24:59.048 --> 00:25:05.750
Yeah, um well, I guess Saudi Arabia was mentioned, but yeah, that was the only one, but either way, I know what you mean.

00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:12.999
So, mr Husband man, actually spent six weeks in Indonesia on business you keep calling him Mr Husband man.

00:25:12.999 --> 00:25:14.664
This is fantastic.

00:25:14.664 --> 00:25:16.048
Anyways, keep going.

00:25:16.420 --> 00:25:21.090
So Myra was guarded by servants and armed drivers at all times.

00:25:21.090 --> 00:25:27.058
Oh sure, and despite money not being an issue, everything else was, sounds, that way.

00:25:27.058 --> 00:25:28.762
Women were not allowed to drive.

00:25:28.762 --> 00:25:42.471
They were not allowed to be driven unless a, the man that she had to be with, could prove that she, um, that he was a paid employee of the of the family.

00:25:43.251 --> 00:25:44.073
Mr Husband man.

00:25:44.354 --> 00:25:46.056
Or a relative or a husband.

00:25:48.402 --> 00:25:51.691
I get cultures and stuff, but that's just fucking wild to think about.

00:25:51.832 --> 00:25:58.151
Yeah, so, with no password, no paperwork for her children, anna Buddy and Jackie, came up with a scheme.

00:25:58.873 --> 00:25:59.093
Okay.

00:25:59.334 --> 00:26:02.148
Okay, they hired a boat in Djibouti.

00:26:03.142 --> 00:26:04.909
I love that place, djibouti.

00:26:05.540 --> 00:26:09.490
And they were to sail along the Yemeni coast and into the Gulf.

00:26:09.691 --> 00:26:09.951
Okay.

00:26:09.971 --> 00:26:14.548
Okay, they were to snag the children and the mother off the shore.

00:26:14.548 --> 00:26:22.854
Oh wow, a few men went ahead to do some reconnaissance, but they couldn't ever get close enough to Myra.

00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:33.103
She was under armed guards at all times could you imagine having that much fucking money to have armed guards, like for your significant other and be like watch her?

00:26:33.103 --> 00:26:38.854
Yeah, just like what the hell did he do to have that much fucking money?

00:26:38.854 --> 00:26:40.623
Yeah, jesus christ well.

00:26:40.702 --> 00:26:46.814
She was guarded so much that jackie and the rest of the team had to abandon the rescue.

00:26:47.582 --> 00:26:49.346
I kind of saw that coming.

00:26:49.567 --> 00:26:53.769
Nothing could be done, and Jackie suspects that Myra is still in trouble.

00:26:54.570 --> 00:26:57.669
Right, and that's so sad To this day, yeah.

00:26:58.662 --> 00:27:00.067
I mean based on when she wrote the book.

00:27:00.760 --> 00:27:02.240
How long ago did the book come out?

00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:08.202
I knew you were going to ask me that I mean.

00:27:08.202 --> 00:27:11.050
It's a valid question, Is it not?

00:27:12.020 --> 00:27:13.406
I don't think it was very long ago.

00:27:13.406 --> 00:27:15.884
Okay, there's a lot of different years.

00:27:17.730 --> 00:27:17.951
Really.

00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.169
The one I'm seeing most often is 1998.

00:27:20.189 --> 00:27:22.017
1998?

00:27:22.017 --> 00:27:24.047
I graduated high school that year.

00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.462
I'm old Interesting.

00:27:32.462 --> 00:27:36.730
Okay're gonna say 1998, that's fine, okay, so poor Myra, yeah she's probably still there.

00:27:36.750 --> 00:27:37.491
That's, that's wild.

00:27:37.491 --> 00:27:55.344
I mean it's sad that Jackie like had to just be like sorry, yeah, I've got to pull out because there's just no fucking window of opportunity to even get close to you yeah, I mean to have that such armed guard on um on this person and a single person.

00:27:55.344 --> 00:27:57.028
Yeah how many five kids right?

00:27:57.510 --> 00:28:06.973
yes, jesus christ, poor kids and buddy and ann are like I got 299 letters that still need our attention and our resources.

00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:09.367
We have to abandon this one because it's just not working.

00:28:09.367 --> 00:28:12.325
We can't get to this person, let's focus on the others.

00:28:12.325 --> 00:28:13.588
Yeah, that's just crazy.

00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.625
So another woman called the ISS office and her name was Dinah.

00:28:18.205 --> 00:28:19.748
Dinah, not Dina.

00:28:21.170 --> 00:28:21.550
Could be.

00:28:22.551 --> 00:28:22.992
That's fine.

00:28:23.614 --> 00:28:24.756
Could be Dinah Dina.

00:28:24.756 --> 00:28:29.861
I know who Dina was.

00:28:29.881 --> 00:28:32.344
could be that's fine, could be dina dina um d-i-n a I don't know um she was also from riad.

00:28:32.344 --> 00:28:32.704
Oh, really okay.

00:28:33.145 --> 00:28:34.469
Um, and she got out.

00:28:34.469 --> 00:28:37.917
She actually married a man, um, and he took her to America.

00:28:38.385 --> 00:28:39.811
So she got out Good for her.

00:28:40.665 --> 00:28:42.733
And she was desperate to get away from her father.

00:28:43.435 --> 00:28:44.661
Oh, wow, okay yeah.

00:28:44.765 --> 00:28:49.297
He would beat her, her sister and her mother.

00:28:50.404 --> 00:28:54.776
So did only she get out, or did the mother and the sister?

00:28:54.976 --> 00:28:55.698
Only she got out.

00:28:56.145 --> 00:29:06.270
Well the mother actually kind of got out too okay, oh really so, after several years of hostilities, the mother went to england for a medical treatment and she was able to stay there, oh wow.

00:29:06.270 --> 00:29:14.211
But that means dinah's younger sister, who's 26 at this time, was left with her father alone, oh dear.

00:29:14.211 --> 00:29:30.073
So dinah and her sister spoke on the phone often, and one call dina, discovered that her sister accepted a ride from a neighbor and they had been stopped by police and, as I had mentioned before, if there's no paperwork that says this is a relative, yep.

00:29:30.073 --> 00:29:36.417
They discovered that she was unmarried, traveling a man which she is not related to or married to.

00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:46.402
They gave her a notice of punishment on the spot jesus christ she would have to report to them and receive 40 lashes wow, what?

00:29:46.943 --> 00:29:48.606
yes, 40 lashes for that.

00:29:48.767 --> 00:29:57.300
Yes, that's insane so dino was prepared to pay whatever it took to get her sister out right.

00:29:57.300 --> 00:30:23.673
So jackie and another guy from the circuit and a friend who had contacts in saudi arabia, concocted a visa application okay and jackie couldn't go into saudi arabia alone as a woman, right, and the men couldn't go alone and try to speak with the sister and because, cause they would honestly like get in trouble, they'd get castrated, they get beaten for talking to an unmarried woman which is just crazy.

00:30:24.005 --> 00:30:31.058
So their cover was to sell machine parts to Saudi Arabian companies.

00:30:31.058 --> 00:30:34.836
That's high density polypropylene pipes.

00:30:36.586 --> 00:30:37.632
I love those kinds of pipes.

00:30:41.164 --> 00:30:42.127
Best pipes in the world.

00:30:42.127 --> 00:30:44.053
So their visas came through, but they were only valid for six weeks.

00:30:44.073 --> 00:30:45.356
Oh shit, so they had a limited time.

00:30:45.356 --> 00:30:50.746
Yes, her sister it's funny, because six weeks sounds like pretty good amount of time, but when you're doing this, kind of shit.

00:30:51.208 --> 00:30:52.653
It's, probably it's probably not enough.

00:30:52.653 --> 00:30:57.691
No, so sorry so her sister's lashings, for whatever reason, was postponed to the following month.

00:30:57.691 --> 00:31:00.179
So they're like, okay, she hasn't had that happen yet.

00:31:00.179 --> 00:31:01.763
We need to move fast gotta get in there.

00:31:01.763 --> 00:31:05.509
Yeah, yeah, okay so jackie went to purdah.

00:31:05.509 --> 00:31:10.258
Uh sorry, it is a garb called purdah, it's.

00:31:10.738 --> 00:31:17.094
She swapped from head to toe okay and her face is completely covered oh, wow, okay, how does she see?

00:31:17.094 --> 00:31:19.898
Her eyeballs are out.

00:31:19.979 --> 00:31:28.247
You said, her face is completely covered she even went to an optician and got brown contact lenses to like complete her disguise.

00:31:28.567 --> 00:31:30.191
Oh, wow, so she went full bore.

00:31:30.230 --> 00:31:41.730
Yeah, okay so jackie's contacts followed the father to hanover, germany, where he actually stayed for a couple months during the summer okay and they actually had men.

00:31:42.192 --> 00:31:56.455
Keep him under surveillance really, yes, oh, so to keep an eye on what the fuck he's doing, to make sure that he didn't come back earlier, or something like that, okay diana's 28 year old brother stayed in riyadh with his sister, so he exists too.

00:31:56.455 --> 00:31:57.076
Oh.

00:31:57.116 --> 00:31:58.880
And he was very much like his father.

00:31:59.244 --> 00:32:01.073
Well, yeah, I mean so nice.

00:32:02.164 --> 00:32:06.355
Back in America, Jackie had a Saudi Arabian contact.

00:32:06.757 --> 00:32:06.978
Right.

00:32:07.605 --> 00:32:16.134
And they employed him, got him a fake passport, oh, okay, and he was to arrive at Riyadh Airport.

00:32:16.134 --> 00:32:29.195
Okay, remain on standby and collect his fake wife, the sister, oh, and then he would take her back to America.

00:32:29.195 --> 00:32:32.349
Okay, wow, they concocted all of that.

00:32:32.692 --> 00:32:33.294
That's crazy.

00:32:34.266 --> 00:32:37.496
So the contact had a very short amount of time to help with this case.

00:32:37.496 --> 00:32:40.271
Not sure why it wasn't mentioned.

00:32:40.271 --> 00:32:45.756
He had three weeks to fly out from California, pick her up and drive back or fly back.

00:32:45.776 --> 00:32:46.939
I was going to say drive back.

00:32:46.939 --> 00:32:48.571
That's a hell of a drive.

00:32:48.924 --> 00:32:51.011
He was being paid $25,000.

00:32:51.413 --> 00:32:53.086
Wow, for three weeks of work.

00:32:54.309 --> 00:32:55.133
Probably not even.

00:32:55.733 --> 00:32:56.336
Can I do that?

00:32:56.336 --> 00:32:57.057
That'd be great.

00:32:57.057 --> 00:33:02.529
I'd do that, that'd be great, I'd do that, so he would arrive on a flight from la.

00:33:02.549 --> 00:33:10.696
If jackie's listening to this, reach out he would arrive on a flight from la, stay in the departure lounge until the next flight out, and he would leave with or without her, like he was.

00:33:10.717 --> 00:33:21.513
Like I gotta get home so basically, if it happened, great, if didn't, I'm still going, yep and that was all well aware of well documented, if you will yes, it was the deal sure, no, I mean I get it.

00:33:21.513 --> 00:33:28.573
Yeah, he's got, he's got to go and it's also dangerous for him too well, yeah, I mean it's not like you know.

00:33:28.813 --> 00:33:38.232
Well, whatever, I'll just hang out here for a bit and have a couple cocktails, like yeah, it's in riad it's very dangerous for him as well, because people are going to start questioning like what the fuck are you doing here, man?

00:33:38.232 --> 00:33:39.770
Yeah, so yeah, no, that makes sense.

00:33:40.005 --> 00:33:47.251
So the sister couldn't leave the country without proper paperwork Right, so to get on the flight she would have to have a passport as a wife.

00:33:48.173 --> 00:33:48.835
Right because.

00:33:49.096 --> 00:33:49.316
Yes.

00:33:49.316 --> 00:33:50.759
As this guy's.

00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:51.809
She can't do anything without a man.

00:33:53.244 --> 00:33:53.526
No A.

00:33:53.665 --> 00:33:53.945
Saudi.

00:33:53.945 --> 00:33:56.789
No Saudi woman can leave the country without a passport.

00:33:56.789 --> 00:34:05.231
If she was unmarried, she would have to be issued one with the permission of a male relative that's so wild.

00:34:05.231 --> 00:34:08.472
Or if she was married, she would have to get the permission of her husband.

00:34:08.472 --> 00:34:10.297
Right, okay, that's crazy.

00:34:10.297 --> 00:34:19.119
So her story is that she left Saudi on her unmarried woman's passport at some point.

00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.891
Okay, it really doesn't matter.

00:34:21.891 --> 00:34:22.653
This is all fake.

00:34:22.653 --> 00:34:23.327
Right, right, right.

00:34:23.327 --> 00:34:26.340
So she has an unmarried passport.

00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:27.809
She left to go to America.

00:34:27.949 --> 00:34:28.713
This is all fake.

00:34:29.786 --> 00:34:33.728
She met a guy, the contact, the Saudi contact from LA.

00:34:33.728 --> 00:34:34.672
He's in LA.

00:34:34.889 --> 00:34:35.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:36.405 --> 00:34:39.253
She married him in America, oh in america.

00:34:39.253 --> 00:34:53.751
Oh, and then decided to to come home to see her folks right on her newly married passport right and he flew to riyadh to take her back to america gotcha okay, so that was the ruse gotcha.

00:34:53.751 --> 00:34:58.900
Wow, a false marriage certificate was bought and a false passport was bought.

00:34:59.686 --> 00:35:08.728
It was thirteen thousand dollars holy shit the passport would be stamped with an exit visa when she left saudi.

00:35:08.728 --> 00:35:24.327
At one of one point that they made up, yep, but because, as a us resident, she would have to have an entry visa when she came back right so because they had to put that into the passport as well, that was an additional five thousand dollars for a stamp, holy fuck.

00:35:24.327 --> 00:35:30.918
So this is a very expensive, very dangerous and so who's paying?

00:35:30.958 --> 00:35:34.471
this is the, the girl paying this the sister.

00:35:34.471 --> 00:35:41.588
Jesus christ, just to get somebody out, I mean that that between that is eighteen thousand dollars already.

00:35:41.807 --> 00:35:47.831
Yeah, I'm sure that wasn't well, and and then the um, the guy who's playing the husband was awarded 25 000 25.

00:35:47.971 --> 00:35:49.795
So holy crap.

00:35:49.795 --> 00:35:52.081
So you're already at 43 000.

00:35:52.081 --> 00:35:54.869
Yeah, and there's probably more expenses involved as well.

00:35:54.889 --> 00:36:04.777
That we're not saying yeah, holy shit so, dressed in her disguise, jackie walked to the post office in riad, and she had to keep her head down.

00:36:04.777 --> 00:36:08.291
It's not, it's not permitted for a woman to look a man in the face, good lord.

00:36:08.291 --> 00:36:08.833
Um.

00:36:08.833 --> 00:36:16.148
So a dinah arranged for her sister to be at the post office to pick up a quote-unquote package of some kind, like it doesn't matter, sure?

00:36:16.148 --> 00:36:19.126
Jackie noticed her teeny, tiny physique.

00:36:19.146 --> 00:36:30.737
She was really malnourished I'm sure she was and standing right next to her under her breath, she said I'm dinah's friend, I'm here to help you.

00:36:30.737 --> 00:36:54.809
She told her sister to write down exactly when her brother was going to be gone from the house, and they'd meet up a few days later okay, for six weeks the sister slipped jackie intel inch by inch okay the brother left the house for three hours in the morning, two hours in the afternoon and three hours late at night that seems weird.

00:36:55.650 --> 00:36:59.179
Okay, that's a strange schedule he's got.

00:36:59.485 --> 00:37:03.817
The brother was out of the house and Jackie left the post office with the sister following her.

00:37:03.817 --> 00:37:07.996
She got into a taxi with Jackie's contact as a passenger next to the driver.

00:37:07.996 --> 00:37:09.610
There's got to be a man in the car.

00:37:09.965 --> 00:37:11.833
Well, yeah, because you know weirdness.

00:37:12.385 --> 00:37:15.934
Jackie went to the hotel room and changed her outfit into Western clothes.

00:37:16.456 --> 00:37:16.516
Oh.

00:37:18.005 --> 00:37:19.940
So they were off to the airport.

00:37:19.940 --> 00:37:25.981
Okay, there were three checkpoints along the way out of the city like that's just normal.

00:37:26.083 --> 00:37:26.764
Yes, it's normal.

00:37:26.885 --> 00:37:34.590
Okay, gotcha, gotcha the guards at the checkpoints peered and teared their taxi and immediately their eyes bulged out of their head.

00:37:34.590 --> 00:37:36.817
Jackie gets out.

00:37:36.817 --> 00:37:38.521
To quote unquote stretch her legs.

00:37:38.521 --> 00:37:42.449
She's wearing a mini skirt and three inch heels scandalous.

00:37:42.469 --> 00:37:44.373
She was showing some ankle exactly.

00:37:44.755 --> 00:37:55.407
Oh dear she did that at each checkpoint to it was just to basically throw off yes, to distract them because they usually don't get to see that shit.

00:37:55.407 --> 00:38:05.525
So if the guards were looking for anything, it wasn't the sister's passport and papers yes, wow, okay isn't that isn't that cool like yeah, that's just yeah.

00:38:05.706 --> 00:38:08.851
It's funny, like I mean you think about it.

00:38:09.432 --> 00:38:18.137
Sex sells, I guess yeah so at the airport, jackie handed her passport over to the official, the sister was pulled away behind a curtain by a woman official.

00:38:18.137 --> 00:38:30.420
A younger official came up to speak with Jackie too, asking about what firm she went to with her, like pipes, how business was in Saudi and what hotel she stayed at.

00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:35.954
And she's like okay, they're just talking to me out of boredom, like they're not actually like grilling me, sure.

00:38:35.954 --> 00:38:39.992
And then the sister came back to jackie um with that other female.

00:38:39.992 --> 00:38:43.168
So like nothing even happened behind the curtain, it was just something that they had to do.

00:38:43.188 --> 00:38:54.456
it was like a protocol procedure yeah, okay so the two male officials started flirting with jackie oh dear tiny skirt, high heels.

00:38:54.456 --> 00:39:12.248
They barely looked at the sister's documents and waved them through that's awesome they met the fake husband in the lounge and very nervously they all got on the plane sure they were now traveling as married couple right okay, they made it to the plane and let her pick out.

00:39:12.248 --> 00:39:17.132
Sigh of relief and jackie wrote in her book I immediately asked for a drink.

00:39:17.494 --> 00:39:18.481
Can you blame her there?

00:39:18.481 --> 00:39:23.528
Because, jesus christ, that had to be pretty nerve-wracking, especially at the end there, because you're like, you're just there.

00:39:23.528 --> 00:39:38.978
It's like, yes, please make this work, please make this work and you got the other people talking to you and so on, and then apparently the, the heels and the skirt was, uh, so obviously jackie wearing the, the outfit she was wearing, is she a fetching young lady at this point?

00:39:38.978 --> 00:39:40.490
Like, how old was she at this point?

00:39:40.490 --> 00:39:41.608
I don't remember what you said.

00:39:41.789 --> 00:39:42.753
Oh, I don't, I don't.

00:39:42.753 --> 00:39:45.813
She actually didn't provide a lot of dates.

00:39:45.813 --> 00:39:49.753
Oh, ok, just that in 1977, I think she was 19.

00:39:49.773 --> 00:39:53.449
Yeah, I don't have dates, unfortunately.

00:39:53.449 --> 00:39:55.155
She was pretty young, though she was OK.

00:40:00.204 --> 00:40:00.244
I.

00:40:00.244 --> 00:40:02.351
She was pretty young, though she was okay.

00:40:02.351 --> 00:40:04.257
I would say she was probably in her 30s gotcha, um so 20s and 30s.

00:40:04.277 --> 00:40:05.322
Unfortunately, she didn't provide many dates.

00:40:05.322 --> 00:40:05.563
That's fine.

00:40:05.563 --> 00:40:06.083
Yeah, I was just curious.

00:40:06.103 --> 00:40:19.867
Yeah, so so they got out safely wow, that's crazy yeah so just a few years before jackie retired okay from being a bodyguard, she met ann Ann Lewis, and this is not the same Ann from ISS.

00:40:19.969 --> 00:40:21.072
I figured this much out.

00:40:22.246 --> 00:40:24.630
And new Ann had a daughter named Laura.

00:40:24.925 --> 00:40:25.467
New Ann.

00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:27.775
She had a daughter named Laura.

00:40:27.775 --> 00:40:35.739
She was married to the kindest man, a type who would never do anything to hurt Laura, right?

00:40:35.739 --> 00:40:37.565
But alas.

00:40:38.188 --> 00:40:38.750
Oh dear.

00:40:38.869 --> 00:40:41.336
Laura was whisked off to islamabad.

00:40:41.336 --> 00:40:54.188
Islamabad, uh sure, islamabad let's go with that one six months after marrying mr husband and number two okay okay, he's the second mr man.

00:40:55.929 --> 00:40:57.449
Anne received a note from her daughter.

00:40:57.449 --> 00:41:05.195
It was a crumpled sheet of lined paper torn from a pad, and it read, quote Dear Mom, I really hope you get this.

00:41:05.195 --> 00:41:06.936
I have to get out of here.

00:41:06.936 --> 00:41:09.878
I am locked in the house 24 hours a day.

00:41:09.878 --> 00:41:14.762
I've got no key, no money and the servants are spying on me.

00:41:14.762 --> 00:41:21.391
Oh, Jesus, M, as in the initial the husband's name, she called him M.

00:41:21.945 --> 00:41:23.391
But, it's Mr Husband, man number two.

00:41:23.391 --> 00:41:27.655
Well, obviously Says I must stop living like a Western woman.

00:41:27.655 --> 00:41:32.489
He hits me every single night and I am 12 weeks pregnant.

00:41:32.851 --> 00:41:33.713
Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:41:34.365 --> 00:41:38.434
I stopped eating to get back at him, but then he stopped giving me food.

00:41:38.434 --> 00:41:38.655
Oh my God.

00:41:38.675 --> 00:41:40.202
I stopped eating to get back at him, but then he stopped giving me food.

00:41:40.202 --> 00:41:40.545
Oh my God, Really.

00:41:41.126 --> 00:41:42.311
I have to get out of here.

00:41:42.311 --> 00:41:44.028
He has got my passport.

00:41:44.028 --> 00:41:45.152
Please come and get me.

00:41:45.152 --> 00:41:46.076
I'm going crazy.

00:41:46.076 --> 00:41:48.088
I can't have my baby here.

00:41:48.088 --> 00:41:49.192
Love Laura.

00:41:49.431 --> 00:41:51.436
End quote Love Laura, Jesus Christ.

00:41:52.385 --> 00:41:54.112
How distraught of a letter.

00:41:59.744 --> 00:42:08.306
Well, yeah, because you, you know, you have this person who's giving life to another being and you're getting beaten, you're getting, I mean, kind of starved she self-starved herself.

00:42:08.306 --> 00:42:14.268
And then, well fine, I'm just gonna starve you then, because you clearly don't, clearly don't care yeah that's just I mean.

00:42:14.268 --> 00:42:18.637
So obviously that can affect the child too, because of malnourishment and all that.

00:42:18.797 --> 00:42:29.451
Jesus Christ, so Anne wanted to go to the consul or write to a woman named Benazir Butoh, and I'll tell you who she is.

00:42:29.672 --> 00:42:30.052
I hope so.

00:42:31.764 --> 00:42:39.586
Benazir Butoh was often asked to help American women, wives and mothers to get their children back, but she didn't have very good results.

00:42:39.586 --> 00:42:42.813
Oh, dear Jackie said both were a bad idea.

00:42:42.813 --> 00:42:53.565
The consuls will do nothing to intervene between a woman and her husband, as they are there to promote trade and any kind of challenge could disrupt that.

00:42:53.806 --> 00:42:54.148
Okay.

00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:56.661
And then Butoh.

00:42:56.661 --> 00:42:59.253
Jackie has actually guarded Butoh in the past.

00:42:59.393 --> 00:42:59.775
Oh geez.

00:43:00.365 --> 00:43:08.155
And Jackie was like she doesn't have good rates, she doesn't have any positive return on people, oh really.

00:43:08.175 --> 00:43:08.856
She's just not good.

00:43:08.856 --> 00:43:10.378
Oh dear Okay.

00:43:11.144 --> 00:43:15.150
So Ann mortgaged her house, oh geez, and she gave the money to Jackie.

00:43:15.670 --> 00:43:16.454
To make this happen?

00:43:16.454 --> 00:43:16.635
Yep.

00:43:16.635 --> 00:43:23.568
And Jackie said I need three to four people and possibly a boat.

00:43:23.568 --> 00:43:24.568
To be successful, possibly a boat.

00:43:24.568 --> 00:43:24.829
Yes, okay.

00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:30.496
So Jackie still had to cut costs and she could barely do the job for the money that Ann could afford.

00:43:31.498 --> 00:43:37.869
That's just wild, regardless, I mean.

00:43:37.869 --> 00:43:39.824
I get it because everything that goes into it, supplies, I mean it's just so much.

00:43:39.824 --> 00:43:42.311
It's just like just to get a person out of somewhere.

00:43:42.311 --> 00:43:43.936
It's just fucking wild yeah.

00:43:44.844 --> 00:43:49.193
So Jackie got a visa and it took an additional four weeks to get a team together.

00:43:49.193 --> 00:43:52.358
Because of how low the rates were that Jackie was offering.

00:43:52.358 --> 00:44:00.914
Very little amount of people would accept this, so it took her four weeks to get a team of three or four people.

00:44:00.914 --> 00:44:02.217
Sure, no, it makes sense.

00:44:02.217 --> 00:44:10.851
Yeah, and also, laura would need a passport and she can't get one in Saudi Arabia, so she had to be taken to India.

00:44:11.373 --> 00:44:11.956
Oh Jesus.

00:44:13.045 --> 00:44:14.068
Where actually?

00:44:14.068 --> 00:44:14.932
No, I think she's in Pakistan at this point.

00:44:14.932 --> 00:44:15.494
Okay, she's in Pakistan.

00:44:15.494 --> 00:44:16.197
My apologies, that's all right.

00:44:16.197 --> 00:44:16.498
Where actually?

00:44:16.498 --> 00:44:17.382
No, I think she's in pakistan at this point.

00:44:17.382 --> 00:44:19.590
Okay, she's in pakistan, my apologies that's all right laura's in pakistan.

00:44:19.590 --> 00:44:35.532
She would have to be taken to india, where american women can apply for a passport through the us embassy or the consulate oh really, yes, wow, okay, yes, jesus so jackie and a male colleague, mike, flew to karachi.

00:44:35.532 --> 00:44:39.619
Pak Wow, and that is a seaside city.

00:44:40.018 --> 00:44:40.360
Okay.

00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:41.990
Okay, they had two options.

00:44:41.990 --> 00:44:51.260
One was to get her to Sprintagar by walking across the border through low foothills, and the other one was to get her out to sea through the Arabian Sea.

00:44:51.260 --> 00:44:54.431
Oh, okay, so so they're like, let's try the boat first.

00:44:54.431 --> 00:44:58.755
We have a malnourished woman who was expecting a baby.

00:44:58.755 --> 00:45:00.992
This is the path of least resistance.

00:45:01.166 --> 00:45:02.443
How many weeks pregnant did you say she was?

00:45:02.443 --> 00:45:03.889
I think she was about 12.

00:45:03.889 --> 00:45:05.094
Okay, I thought that's what you said.

00:45:05.094 --> 00:45:12.291
Yeah, but then several weeks have passed, right Obviously so she's 15 to 16, whatever it might be, but I mean, obviously still has a ways to go.

00:45:12.331 --> 00:45:21.028
But holy crap crap yeah, so they would pick her up in karachi and sail southeast and land on the indian coast.

00:45:21.028 --> 00:45:21.228
Okay, okay.

00:45:21.228 --> 00:45:35.927
During jackie and mike's reconnaissance they noticed the harbor was partially blocked by a big concrete s curve road designed to slow traffic I suppose okay and apparently no one could navigate around this thing.

00:45:35.967 --> 00:45:37.068
A lot of crashes.

00:45:37.789 --> 00:45:48.101
So the beaches, and also the beaches of Karachi, were crowded with tourists to the point where they weren't sure that they would actually be able to get her out safely.

00:45:48.101 --> 00:45:52.713
They heard gunfire in the streets in Karachi.

00:45:52.994 --> 00:45:54.056
Wow, really.

00:45:54.056 --> 00:45:57.322
Yes, good Lord, plan B, plan B.

00:45:57.322 --> 00:45:57.842
Let's go over the hills.

00:45:57.842 --> 00:45:58.704
Yeah, lord, plan B, plan.

00:45:58.724 --> 00:45:59.969
B let's go over the hills.

00:46:00.409 --> 00:46:02.155
Yeah, with a pregnant woman.

00:46:02.155 --> 00:46:02.706
Do you know?

00:46:02.706 --> 00:46:05.422
There's a Led Zeppelin song called Over the Hills and Far Away.

00:46:05.422 --> 00:46:07.152
Yeah, that's kind of what reminds me of that.

00:46:07.152 --> 00:46:10.606
That's what they're trying to do, yeah exactly they're trying to go over the hills and get far away.

00:46:10.827 --> 00:46:18.693
Yeah, so when you look at a map of Pakistan, karachi is a seaside city.

00:46:18.914 --> 00:46:19.275
Okay.

00:46:20.295 --> 00:46:25.960
But where Laura is in Islamabad, it's clear on the other side of the country inland.

00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.565
Ooh, that doesn't bode well.

00:46:28.565 --> 00:46:33.516
And it was not mentioned in this book how they would get Laura from Islamabad to Karachi.

00:46:33.516 --> 00:46:34.597
Gotcha, it was not mentioned.

00:46:34.597 --> 00:46:40.413
Okay, so, and Islamabad is actually near the Indian border?

00:46:40.413 --> 00:46:41.014
Oh, okay, yeah, not mentioned.

00:46:41.034 --> 00:46:41.313
Okay, so um and.

00:46:41.333 --> 00:46:42.476
Islamabad is actually near the Indian border.

00:46:42.476 --> 00:46:42.856
Yeah, indian border.

00:46:42.876 --> 00:46:43.938
So that's where they would go.

00:46:43.938 --> 00:46:44.800
Okay, sure, sure, sure.

00:46:45.085 --> 00:46:50.757
So two other men are right from London and they all flew from Karachi to Islamabad.

00:46:50.978 --> 00:46:51.217
Okay.

00:46:51.277 --> 00:46:54.809
Okay, they would declare that the mountains are where we're going to hike.

00:46:54.809 --> 00:46:55.652
It's going to.

00:46:55.672 --> 00:46:56.112
We're going to hike.

00:46:56.112 --> 00:46:57.835
We're going to go to India territory.

00:46:58.476 --> 00:47:04.474
It's going to be fine, it's only 80 miles, only 80 miles, it is 80 miles 130 kilometers, jesus Christ.

00:47:05.344 --> 00:47:07.632
Over mountains or low foothills or wherever they are.

00:47:07.632 --> 00:47:08.215
Right, right, right yeah.

00:47:09.226 --> 00:47:14.137
So, dave, one of the team members, went to look at the mountain path they were going to take once they had Laura.

00:47:14.137 --> 00:47:18.447
So he was doing early reconnaissance gonna take once they had laura.

00:47:18.447 --> 00:47:19.230
So he was doing early reconnaissance.

00:47:19.230 --> 00:47:41.059
Okay, roger, another team teammate went to find a route to the airport in case the mountains were impossible sure and then mike, the original team member, and jackie got into a cab and they're like let's go find laura jesus, yeah, that's crazy so laura was being kept in a street lined with head high painted mud walls.

00:47:41.740 --> 00:47:51.130
Like the street on both sides were painted with mud walls, okay okay, crazy and they all had like trees overhanging so it looked like they were kind of going through this tunnel.

00:47:51.130 --> 00:47:56.813
Yeah basically yeah, and then the house that she was at had this wide double-sided iron gate.

00:47:57.092 --> 00:47:57.373
Okay.

00:47:57.894 --> 00:48:01.612
So they went around the block and then back again and they were like driving a lot slower.

00:48:01.612 --> 00:48:03.090
This taxi has a driver.

00:48:03.090 --> 00:48:05.532
He's got, you know, a cabbie you know, yep, yep.

00:48:05.532 --> 00:48:10.534
So between the iron bars, they actually did see Laura, oh wow.

00:48:10.574 --> 00:48:12.137
They saw her outside, okay.

00:48:13.184 --> 00:48:16.731
So Jackie and her team continued to survey the place.

00:48:16.990 --> 00:48:18.233
So did they know it was her?

00:48:18.233 --> 00:48:19.614
Because they had pictures of her and stuff.

00:48:19.614 --> 00:48:22.119
Yes, yes, yes, yes, from her sister Dinah, I figured as much.

00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:22.418
Yes.

00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:23.400
Good question.

00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:34.989
So they watched Mr Husband and number two leave at nine in the morning, mr Husband, and return mid-afternoon and then he'd leave again around 8 or 9 pm and then stay out till like midnight 1am.

00:48:35.291 --> 00:48:35.731
That's weird.

00:48:35.931 --> 00:48:36.851
I don't know what they're doing.

00:48:36.851 --> 00:48:37.413
I mean.

00:48:37.413 --> 00:48:41.619
But when he was gone, laura was always with two servants, sure.

00:48:41.878 --> 00:48:46.012
And I'm sure they were very loyal Again, I think there's Loyal to the Mr Husband man.

00:48:46.012 --> 00:48:46.655
Yeah, number two.

00:48:47.065 --> 00:48:53.655
So Roger and Dave started buying supplies Okay, water matches, food rucksacks.

00:49:00.447 --> 00:49:01.851
They would use those rucksacks to plant along the route to india.

00:49:01.871 --> 00:49:05.382
Oh so they're just, they're stashing them basically yes, so as they're moving along, they would have.

00:49:05.382 --> 00:49:08.793
Okay, yeah, they would always have some type of supply gotcha.

00:49:09.414 --> 00:49:10.195
Wow, I mean.

00:49:10.195 --> 00:49:26.333
So it makes sense, because you got to be prepared yeah and and then you're not carrying everything on your back and that's what I was just gonna say, because otherwise you got all this shit with you and it's like that's a lot of shit, so now you can at least space it out over miles.

00:49:26.373 --> 00:49:42.731
It's a great logical idea well, yeah, for sure so they traveled the first few miles and did this okay, okay so there did seem to be one obstacle, and that was an old fort manned by pakistani soldiers okay but the men promised that they could easily hike around it.

00:49:42.731 --> 00:49:44.677
So that was like the really only thing.

00:49:44.724 --> 00:49:46.688
That was like up in the air, kind of.

00:49:46.688 --> 00:49:47.391
Thing okay.

00:49:47.471 --> 00:49:54.472
So one night after dark, mike and jackie went to the house oh mike gave her a leg up over the wall.

00:49:54.472 --> 00:50:00.170
Jesus, she was was in all black, she was in a headscarf and she approached the house sliding along the walls.

00:50:00.170 --> 00:50:03.344
I mean, can you just imagine this as a movie?

00:50:03.344 --> 00:50:05.538
No, I mean yes as a movie yeah.

00:50:06.045 --> 00:50:10.965
It almost seems like a comedic like you know whatever.

00:50:11.967 --> 00:50:15.878
Yeah, like there's comedy music and it's almost like old-fashioned.

00:50:16.045 --> 00:50:16.851
Yeah, right, right, right.

00:50:17.565 --> 00:50:18.128
A talkie.

00:50:20.146 --> 00:50:20.949
That's crazy.

00:50:21.204 --> 00:50:28.338
So Rogers had identified Laura's bedroom earlier and there was a little light coming out of the window.

00:50:28.338 --> 00:50:47.637
So Jackie peered over the sill and she saw laura sleeping on a bunk inside oh, dear okay laura crept in nope jackie crept in there there it is, and she was trying not to make a noise and she clamped her hand around laura's mouth and immediately said your mom sent me.

00:50:47.637 --> 00:50:49.567
Like don't freak out, your mom sent me.

00:50:49.586 --> 00:50:55.108
Yeah, I'm here for you, yes, for you can you imagine like being woken up, like no, because you're like what the fuck?

00:50:55.128 --> 00:50:56.791
yeah, no, for sure yeah.

00:50:57.393 --> 00:51:03.052
So laura confirmed who she was and that she desperately wanted to leave, like jackie specifically asked.

00:51:03.052 --> 00:51:05.137
Asked her who are you and what do you want?

00:51:05.137 --> 00:51:07.048
Right, I am, I'm laura.

00:51:07.048 --> 00:51:08.672
Do you want to get out of here, laura?

00:51:08.672 --> 00:51:09.554
Yes, I do.

00:51:10.436 --> 00:51:10.815
Right now.

00:51:10.896 --> 00:51:14.385
Yeah, and.

00:51:14.385 --> 00:51:15.547
Jackie's like I'm sorry not tonight.

00:51:15.568 --> 00:51:19.114
That's got to be heartbreaking, I know, but this was part of like the reconnaissance.

00:51:19.175 --> 00:51:20.077
I totally get that.

00:51:20.077 --> 00:51:20.418
I do too.

00:51:20.418 --> 00:51:26.534
Yeah, I mean she's, she is.

00:51:26.835 --> 00:51:27.916
This is the right person.

00:51:27.916 --> 00:51:29.579
She is who she says she is.

00:51:29.579 --> 00:51:39.271
She wants to get out of there, Not just be like no, I'm pretty cool man, Right Because the sister could want one thing and she wants another thing, so you got to confirm.

00:51:39.271 --> 00:51:42.498
But it's like, all right, I got my info you want to get out.

00:51:49.144 --> 00:51:49.927
We can't do it tonight though.

00:51:49.927 --> 00:51:50.791
Yeah, yeah, which totally makes sense.

00:51:50.791 --> 00:51:51.112
Yeah, it does so.

00:51:51.112 --> 00:51:51.313
Yeah, okay.

00:51:51.333 --> 00:51:52.478
So jackie said that she'll be back in a week or two.

00:51:52.478 --> 00:51:53.001
They still have work.

00:51:53.001 --> 00:51:53.643
That's got to be like to laura.

00:51:53.643 --> 00:51:55.789
That's got to be like a week or two.

00:51:55.789 --> 00:51:57.512
Yeah, are you kidding me?

00:51:57.512 --> 00:51:59.536
That would just feel like an eternity.

00:51:59.536 --> 00:52:07.956
I know, trying to like, knowing, like, basically, I see an out and end to this whatever, and it's like when is it gonna?

00:52:07.956 --> 00:52:08.987
Come, oh, another week, another two, and it's like when is it going to come?

00:52:08.987 --> 00:52:11.295
Oh, another week, another two weeks.

00:52:11.925 --> 00:52:22.297
It's like when you're waiting for that job application, like you're waiting for someone to say you know, you had a great interview, I'll get back to you in a week, and they don't get back to you, and then they don't.

00:52:22.317 --> 00:52:36.856
Yeah, now they just use AI to like weed through resumes and it's just stupid because it's like you know how many candidates get that are probably proper for the job.

00:52:36.856 --> 00:52:37.217
I just never mind.

00:52:37.217 --> 00:52:51.137
So the team had to put things into place over the course of the next few days, and that makes sense, so okay um, they didn't have one piece of crucial intelligence, and that was what the border would be like between pakistan and india.

00:52:51.677 --> 00:52:57.449
Oh, sure so they wanted to be sure that no one would shoot at them on their way to srinagar.

00:52:57.449 --> 00:53:07.213
I mean that's, that's probably a pretty uh integral thing to know so they're having this meeting, okay, the team, okay.

00:53:07.213 --> 00:53:08.215
Suddenly the phone rings.

00:53:08.215 --> 00:53:14.666
Oh, a man, an english man of unknown origin.

00:53:14.666 --> 00:53:18.514
We have no idea who he is she did not write in the book who he was.

00:53:18.514 --> 00:53:19.498
She didn't know him.

00:53:19.498 --> 00:53:20.505
Well right.

00:53:20.505 --> 00:53:23.449
He says quote they're on to you.

00:53:23.449 --> 00:53:25.931
Get out now, oh shit.

00:53:25.931 --> 00:53:31.778
And then the line went dead really that's wild.

00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:38.916
I feel like we're like we're reading a fucking spy novel, or not a spy, but no, you're right something like that.

00:53:38.916 --> 00:53:39.445
You know what I mean.

00:53:39.445 --> 00:53:44.777
It's like that's what you would read in a book, like a fiction book that's crazy.

00:53:44.777 --> 00:53:48.333
They're on to you, get out and then the line goes dead.

00:53:48.432 --> 00:53:48.753
Yes.

00:53:48.974 --> 00:53:49.976
Wow Okay.

00:53:50.704 --> 00:53:52.231
So now they're really on a timeline.

00:53:52.724 --> 00:53:56.704
Well, I would say, that kind of sped that up a shmidge yeah.

00:53:58.030 --> 00:54:04.251
So Roger and Dave set off for the hillside and Mike and Jackie hailed a cab and they're like Laura, middle of the day go.

00:54:05.032 --> 00:54:06.938
Let's do this Wow.

00:54:06.938 --> 00:54:15.489
Laura and a servant were in the garden and remember those iron gates I do at the house.

00:54:15.510 --> 00:54:16.592
They're old they're six feet high.

00:54:16.612 --> 00:54:18.577
They're rusty they're only six feet high.

00:54:18.684 --> 00:54:24.527
I'm taller than those but jackie noticed that the central clasp that held the gates together looked really weak.

00:54:24.527 --> 00:54:32.509
Oh, the hinges looked strong but the class looked the class looked weak she told the cabbie to drive through it.

00:54:32.509 --> 00:54:35.675
Here's a 50 ram into those gates.

00:54:35.675 --> 00:54:41.168
Oh shit, the cabbie was like uh no, my cab is my job.

00:54:41.168 --> 00:54:44.813
It's beautiful, I love my cab, jackie said.

00:54:45.114 --> 00:54:58.159
Here's a hundred drive through the gate the cabbie crashed open the gates that's funny jackie leapt out, grabbed laura, the servant who was with laura, grabbed laura's other arm.

00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:03.775
But mike, he got out, he headbutted the servant oh shit just bam.

00:55:03.775 --> 00:55:13.132
He went down and jackie pushed laura into the cab well, rightly so, yeah, okay the cabbie reversed like hell and then went the wrong direction.

00:55:13.132 --> 00:55:18.222
Oh no, he didn't know no, he didn't know.

00:55:18.322 --> 00:55:19.385
Oh, dear he didn't know.

00:55:19.405 --> 00:55:20.648
They wanted to go to the foothills.

00:55:20.648 --> 00:55:29.175
He went, he went into town oh, jesus christ so they actually got stuck in traffic and jackie like we have to start walking.

00:55:29.175 --> 00:55:47.817
So Jackie and Laura started walking towards the foothills and she's like Mike, deal with the cabbie, go find us another cab somewhere that's not in traffic and come pick us up, right, okay, wow, so they were all Okay, hold on.

00:55:47.817 --> 00:55:53.713
Let me, after a little while of walking, yeah, yeah, yeah the same cabbie and mike picked them up.

00:55:54.235 --> 00:55:59.289
Somehow they got out of traffic, jesus christ, somehow they got out of traffic now this cabbie's.

00:55:59.349 --> 00:56:04.106
He's fucking in it yes, he is so they picked him up, picked them up and they were.

00:56:04.106 --> 00:56:10.530
They were all dropped off at the foot of the hiking trail and jackie gave him another hundred and said forget about what you just saw.

00:56:10.710 --> 00:56:11.972
Yeah, we weren't here.

00:56:11.972 --> 00:56:14.378
Yep, wow, yep, that's crazy.

00:56:15.065 --> 00:56:19.032
Mike flew back to home from Islamabad.

00:56:19.032 --> 00:56:19.954
He had to leave.

00:56:19.954 --> 00:56:22.159
I don't know why, but Mike left.

00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:23.947
And then Dave and Roger.

00:56:23.947 --> 00:56:26.128
The other team members stayed with Jackie and Laura.

00:56:26.469 --> 00:56:26.789
Okay.

00:56:27.791 --> 00:56:33.518
So they began walking at about four o'clock four o'clock in the afternoon, at this point, and they had to.

00:56:33.518 --> 00:56:37.766
They had to walk through the night when it was coolest, sure.

00:56:37.766 --> 00:56:44.097
So they knew that they were going to be pretty much, you know, awake for a very long time, yeah, yeah.

00:56:44.097 --> 00:56:53.099
So Roger and Dave took turns walking ahead to scout and navigate by stars and compass, wow Okay.

00:56:53.099 --> 00:56:58.992
And then the other one would bring up the rear of the party, so they would change positions.

00:56:59.092 --> 00:57:00.335
Alternate yeah, okay.

00:57:01.425 --> 00:57:16.291
So at one point that fort with the Pakistani soldiers that came into view and it was really run down, but it was still patrolled, so they had to walk an additional five to six miles to detour around it.

00:57:16.351 --> 00:57:18.311
Okay, yeah, that's quite a detour.

00:57:18.311 --> 00:57:21.052
Five or six miles, that's not, that's no.

00:57:21.052 --> 00:57:22.697
Okay, yeah, wow.

00:57:23.286 --> 00:57:29.432
So Jackie looked back at Laura at one point she was two yards away and a bullet hit the tree.

00:57:29.432 --> 00:57:33.672
Holy shit, a bullet hit a tree beside Jackie's head.

00:57:34.155 --> 00:57:34.536
Oh dear.

00:57:35.445 --> 00:57:36.911
And then another gunshot.

00:57:36.911 --> 00:57:42.733
Laura froze and Jackie took action, because that is what she is trained to do.

00:57:42.885 --> 00:57:44.833
Well, yeah, that's what her training showed her to do.

00:57:45.126 --> 00:57:50.931
She grabbed Laura, hurled her to the ground behind a log and threw herself on top of her.

00:57:50.931 --> 00:57:54.251
Wow, Gunfire on either side of her.

00:57:54.251 --> 00:58:07.534
Dedication Okay In 1947, a partition of British India created a Muslim-majority Pakistan and a Hindu-majority India.

00:58:07.534 --> 00:58:20.061
It was split okay kashmir and jammu are regions yeah they were able to choose what country they wanted to join.

00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:36.913
Oh wow, and they are now regions in india okay okay, militants in the Indian-administered part of Kashmir have been fighting New Delhi's rules also in India, jesus, new Delhi's rule since 1989.

00:58:36.913 --> 00:58:46.934
Okay, so many of the Muslim Kashmiris support the rebels' goal of uniting the territory either under Pakistani rule or as an independent country.

00:58:46.934 --> 00:58:52.989
Okay, so the gunshots were likely the indians fighting the kashmirian rebels crazy?

00:58:52.989 --> 00:58:58.128
Okay, well, all right, but the team was not seen no it was.

00:58:58.369 --> 00:59:06.235
It just happened that they were just caught up in the crossfire between yes, yes, isn't that crazy, that is wild they're crawling on their stomachs.

00:59:06.536 --> 00:59:12.414
And then eventually they got to like a low crouch and they passed through the firing unscathed, that's fucking crazy.

00:59:12.434 --> 00:59:22.378
Oh my god, that would be fucking scary as shit laura, the pregnant girl, is wearing sandals yeah she's in flip-flops.

00:59:22.539 --> 00:59:34.606
Well, she did kind of get just taken out of yeah but she was supposed to be prepared at all times and maybe that's the only freaking thing that she had so she's wearing sandals and at times she was completely overcome with despair.

00:59:34.606 --> 00:59:46.974
She kind of slowed the team down, she slowed herself down and the men like tried to keep her spirits up, like well, we're on our way, we're getting there, there, we're going to save you, we're liberating you.

00:59:46.974 --> 00:59:50.639
And at one point Laura was like I can't do this.

00:59:51.266 --> 00:59:52.271
Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:59:53.085 --> 01:00:05.081
And Jackie whispered to her out of earshot of the men and said if you succumb to years of brainwashing and started behaving like a dependent female, we are all screwed.

01:00:06.666 --> 01:00:07.672
I mean, she's not wrong.

01:00:08.907 --> 01:00:32.260
She never complained once after that that's good and then jackie was like maybe I overdid it, because if she actually is in need of something, she might not say something I see where she's coming from, but at that point you needed that fucking motivation yeah so day four of hiking yeah they reach srinagar okay, okay here, they hired another taxi and he drove them all the way to new delhi.

01:00:32.726 --> 01:00:35.650
Wow, it was a 15 to 16 hour drive.

01:00:35.650 --> 01:00:39.257
Holy shit, the the guy.

01:00:39.257 --> 01:00:49.557
So they found a contact and the contact was like oh, I've got a son or a nephew or something who has a nice cab and he can take you all the way there.

01:00:49.557 --> 01:00:54.722
So the nice cab, the air conditioning in the taxi was a breeze through an open window.

01:00:54.722 --> 01:00:56.929
Well, I mean, and there were no seats?

01:00:56.929 --> 01:01:06.737
Oh, they got out their sleeping bags and they slept on the middle floor of the taxi for this 15 to 16 hour drive.

01:01:06.757 --> 01:01:23.257
I don't blame them, no, that's smart actually actually at one point I think it was dave, I didn't, I didn't write this down, that's okay but at one point dave talked to uh, jackie, and jackie was like in the middle of sleep and he goes, the cabbie has one arm what?

01:01:23.257 --> 01:01:28.630
And jackie's like, okay, is the car automatic?

01:01:28.630 --> 01:01:30.672
No, it's a manual.

01:01:31.795 --> 01:01:31.914
Oh.

01:01:32.375 --> 01:01:33.896
Okay, and then they just went back to sleep.

01:01:35.217 --> 01:01:37.581
So he's kind of like the drummer from Def Leppard.

01:01:37.581 --> 01:01:41.271
I don't know that reference, but okay, some owl will get it.

01:01:41.945 --> 01:01:51.034
So Ann the sister, the sister from America or, excuse me, london, flew out to New Delhi to be with Laura.

01:01:51.034 --> 01:01:55.992
She got a new passport and together, united, they flew back to London.

01:01:55.992 --> 01:01:56.833
Case closed.

01:01:57.596 --> 01:01:58.135
Case closed.

01:01:58.135 --> 01:01:59.038
She was saved.

01:01:59.038 --> 01:01:59.980
That's crazy.

01:01:59.980 --> 01:02:04.695
So out of those three, only Myra, myra.

01:02:04.695 --> 01:02:08.628
Myra was the only one that she couldn't liberate from those stories.

01:02:09.188 --> 01:02:10.728
Based off the three that I think't liberate from those stories.

01:02:10.728 --> 01:02:18.255
Based off the three that I got, that you did, I'm sure there was probably a couple other hiccups in her career and some other successes, of course.

01:02:18.355 --> 01:02:23.679
But Jesus, could you imagine getting caught in that crossfire?

01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:26.561
Like she did they did and all that.

01:02:26.561 --> 01:02:28.041
This is fucking crazy.

01:02:28.041 --> 01:02:34.173
Yeah, Just to get a person out and the expense of doing that it's just so expensive.

01:02:34.173 --> 01:02:47.577
I mean, I get it, but it's like damn so for over three decades yeah jackie davis thrived as being a leading close protection officer, a CPO.

01:02:47.577 --> 01:02:48.237
Okay.

01:02:48.498 --> 01:02:50.021
In a male-dominated field, right.

01:02:50.041 --> 01:02:50.280
Sure.

01:02:50.844 --> 01:02:53.534
It's known for its secrecy, its inherent dangers.

01:02:53.534 --> 01:03:09.356
She had many brushes with death and now there is a 2019 Netflix action thriller called Close Okay I've heard of that Starring Noomi Rapace, based on this last story.

01:03:12.851 --> 01:03:14.996
She was in Prometheus and one of the.

01:03:15.856 --> 01:03:16.378
Sherlock.

01:03:16.418 --> 01:03:16.898
Holmes movies.

01:03:17.244 --> 01:03:21.893
Yeah, and she did, I think the Swedish version of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

01:03:22.936 --> 01:03:24.298
You don't think she did Okay.

01:03:26.447 --> 01:03:33.027
So Noomi Rapace is playing Jackie in this, this film, okay, okay, and jackie davis was a consultant on the movie.

01:03:33.266 --> 01:03:37.394
Oh, cool yeah nice, so you haven't watched this?

01:03:37.394 --> 01:03:38.177
Right, I have not.

01:03:38.177 --> 01:03:44.007
Oh no, that might be have to be a future viewing, because I wouldn't mind checking that out then there's plenty of liberties taken.

01:03:44.106 --> 01:03:47.132
But I've heard yeah mary anning.

01:03:47.351 --> 01:04:12.032
I mean, we talked about liberties ammonite yeah, complete so my, like I said, my my source material came from jackie herself in her memoir called the circuit okay so she has additional stories in there that she's included before she was on the cases um that were theft cases sure um, and then she had stories on there from when she was on the circuit about other child and adult rescue missions.

01:04:12.032 --> 01:04:17.213
Okay, so her client list, which they were not mentioned in the book.

01:04:17.213 --> 01:04:18.429
It was mentioned in.

01:04:18.429 --> 01:04:20.010
I think it was on her actual website.

01:04:20.210 --> 01:04:20.572
Okay.

01:04:21.094 --> 01:04:22.550
Um, she has.

01:04:22.550 --> 01:04:26.492
So her client list includes Diana Ross.

01:04:26.492 --> 01:04:28.416
What Liza Minnelli?

01:04:28.416 --> 01:04:30.119
What Gerard Butler?

01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:30.159
I?

01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:31.001
So her client list includes Diana Ross?

01:04:31.001 --> 01:04:31.422
What Liza Minnelli?

01:04:31.422 --> 01:04:32.103
What Gerard Butler?

01:04:32.103 --> 01:04:32.324
I know him.

01:04:32.324 --> 01:04:36.875
Nicole Kidman, Bradley Cooper, Sarah Ferguson, the princess, Yep.

01:04:40.166 --> 01:04:41.585
Justin Bieber and the Beckhams.

01:04:41.585 --> 01:04:42.527
So really that's weird.

01:04:43.586 --> 01:04:57.914
So I'm not sure if she actually protected Sarah Ferguson at any point, but in the book she mentioned that she was hired to travel with Fergie's very famous wedding dress to a show in America.

01:04:58.554 --> 01:05:00.735
Okay, fair enough Wow.

01:05:01.016 --> 01:05:02.336
She guarded her wedding dress.

01:05:02.836 --> 01:05:07.420
I mean because, yes, everyone wants to steal Sarah Ferguson's wedding dress.

01:05:07.420 --> 01:05:08.139
Jesus.

01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:13.523
Christ Jackie also served as JK Rowling's personal bodyguard for four years.

01:05:13.523 --> 01:05:14.702
Really Mm-hmm.

01:05:15.405 --> 01:05:15.465
Wow.

01:05:16.686 --> 01:05:22.538
Jackie Davis appears on numerous television and radio programs both in the UK and America.

01:05:22.538 --> 01:05:26.586
Okay, she's a sought-after expert guest.

01:05:26.586 --> 01:05:47.152
She has consulted on television and film productions, contributed to documentaries, served as news spokesperson on crime-related matters and she's held editorial positions, serving as crime editor for Hot Gossip magazine and contributing to Combat Online, which I'm not sure what that is.

01:05:48.088 --> 01:06:29.603
She is also available as a an event speaker that you can still hire right, I'm sure yeah so she speaks at conferences, seminars and black tie dinners oh and she speaks on how to stay stay safe personally, socially and in the workplace to businesses, women's groups and universities gotcha and while highly trained in counter surveillance, firearms, resistance techniques, bomb searches, defense driving, hostage awareness and survival, jackie's daily responsibilities as a close protection officers emphasize more on conflict management, strategic planning and tactical assessments.

01:06:29.603 --> 01:06:38.139
Wow, okay, okay, so she has a personal website and she gives us a brief list on how to stay safe.

01:06:38.460 --> 01:06:39.126
Oh, that's nice.

01:06:39.126 --> 01:06:40.608
Did you have the details?

01:06:40.869 --> 01:06:51.472
I do excellent so number one to all the women out there oh, do not wear headphones when you're jogging or cycling, so you can hear what's around you.

01:06:52.809 --> 01:07:03.766
Women have to pay attention to that unfortunately, so many people women too, so many people just wear their earbuds these days, though, yep, yep, I mean.

01:07:03.766 --> 01:07:07.835
How are they going to break that habit, jesus?

01:07:07.956 --> 01:07:08.518
Number two.

01:07:08.518 --> 01:07:11.728
You know what you do.

01:07:11.728 --> 01:07:12.190
Stop running running.

01:07:12.190 --> 01:07:23.228
No one's chasing you anyway, okay, number two don't park in a dark or dimly or dimly lit or secluded areas well, that's why they always say like, when you park in a parking lot, park under the the light, the light.

01:07:23.228 --> 01:07:27.246
So, and if you have, to try to find a security guard or other escort that you trust.

01:07:27.246 --> 01:07:28.088
Yeah for sure.

01:07:28.088 --> 01:07:31.416
Number three before entering the car, check your rear seats, yep.

01:07:31.416 --> 01:07:33.851
Once inside, lock all the doors immediately.

01:07:33.851 --> 01:07:37.592
Oh, number four always carry an attack alarm.

01:07:38.275 --> 01:07:38.556
A what?

01:07:38.844 --> 01:07:40.351
Attack alarm like a siren.

01:07:41.307 --> 01:07:43.135
Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha Okay.

01:07:43.405 --> 01:07:45.733
Rape whistle is another thing, Sure sure, sure.

01:07:45.733 --> 01:07:50.065
That women have used.

01:07:50.086 --> 01:07:51.409
Yeah, um number five never leave a drink unattended.

01:07:51.409 --> 01:07:56.349
No, I mean, that's just common sense, especially in this day and age apparently my husband was roofied once upon a time.

01:07:56.670 --> 01:07:59.876
Really, yeah, he was getting a drink for him and a woman.

01:07:59.876 --> 01:08:01.108
This is before we met.

01:08:01.108 --> 01:08:12.050
They were on a business trip, um, a school trip or something in vegas right and something happened where he ended up with her drink oh so she was getting.

01:08:12.050 --> 01:08:24.667
She was getting somehow he ended up drinking her drink, and she drank his unbeknownst to anyone, of course, and he said that he woke up not knowing absolutely anything and with a bloody nose.

01:08:24.667 --> 01:08:27.391
Oh, and he almost missed his flight home.

01:08:27.712 --> 01:08:30.238
Oh shit, but he has no idea, wow, no idea what happened.

01:08:30.238 --> 01:08:33.533
That's wild, yeah, sad and scary, very scary.

01:08:33.632 --> 01:08:38.015
Number six Limit the personal details that you keep online in your social media accounts.

01:08:39.126 --> 01:08:40.051
Which is hard.

01:08:40.204 --> 01:08:41.537
Also your bumper stickers people.

01:08:41.965 --> 01:08:43.692
No, we had talked about that, yes.

01:08:43.692 --> 01:08:45.887
But back to the social media thing.

01:08:45.887 --> 01:08:50.095
That's very hard for people because everybody, not everybody.

01:08:50.095 --> 01:08:56.592
A lot of people these days think they need to fucking put out everything Like to the goddamn fucking meal they're having.

01:08:56.592 --> 01:08:57.655
They need to take a picture.

01:08:57.845 --> 01:09:01.395
And Jackie mentioned specifically don't reveal when you're going on a trip.

01:09:01.395 --> 01:09:03.150
Your house is empty at that point.

01:09:03.211 --> 01:09:16.552
Well, exactly, and to what you just said about the bumper stickers, my kids and honor student at such and such high school, I know where your fucking kids go to high school, yep and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these different fucking things and nobody cares about your stick figure.

01:09:16.974 --> 01:09:17.936
I love my husky.

01:09:17.936 --> 01:09:20.168
Ok, now they know that you've got a husky.

01:09:20.449 --> 01:09:24.878
Yeah, you have a kid that goes to this school the stick figure family.

01:09:24.984 --> 01:09:26.110
Ok, now I know how many people are in your family.

01:09:26.110 --> 01:09:27.109
Yeah, exactly the stick figure family.

01:09:27.109 --> 01:09:27.927
Okay, now I know how many people are in your family.

01:09:27.927 --> 01:09:28.271
Yeah, exactly In this house.

01:09:28.704 --> 01:09:31.875
So you have the they always have the mom and the dad one, yep.

01:09:31.875 --> 01:09:42.609
And then there's two kids and a cat or a dog, whatever it's like, okay, so now I know what's in the house, yep, so you can start formulating all this shit and be like and that's terrible.

01:09:43.069 --> 01:10:00.771
But the sad thing is it's meant so innocently, but there's people out there that are like I know a lot more than you think I do, yep, and I could easily do harm to your family now, yep, because there's some sick fucking people out there, yep, and it's just sad that we even have to fucking say this.

01:10:00.771 --> 01:10:02.837
But be safe out there, people.

01:10:02.837 --> 01:10:05.451
Mm-hmm Plus bumper stickers are dumb.

01:10:06.025 --> 01:10:06.729
So number seven.

01:10:06.930 --> 01:10:07.150
Yeah.

01:10:07.150 --> 01:10:14.951
If meeting an online contact for the first time go somewhere public and crowded and text a friend an accountability buddy.

01:10:14.951 --> 01:10:20.000
No, that's a pretty common thing these days is to do the public thing, don't go.

01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:23.773
Someone's like, hey, you want to come over for the first meet and greet.

01:10:23.773 --> 01:10:24.854
It's like, yeah, no.

01:10:25.697 --> 01:10:28.570
Number eight when a hotel check the fire exits.

01:10:28.570 --> 01:10:30.947
So you know a way out if there's danger right.

01:10:30.947 --> 01:10:37.445
Number nine wedge a coat hanger under the hotel room door so that no one can force it open.

01:10:37.787 --> 01:10:48.657
I don't know how this would work I mean if it's a wooden one sure, I guess maybe, but I feel like there's other things that might be better than that.

01:10:48.657 --> 01:10:50.466
Yeah, but I guess, I don't know, I'm not.

01:10:50.466 --> 01:10:51.881
I'm not an expert like Jackie.

01:10:51.921 --> 01:10:55.274
So yeah, she also says hey, um, hang the.

01:10:55.274 --> 01:10:56.257
Uh, do not disturb.

01:10:56.257 --> 01:11:02.095
Sign on the outside of the door and leave the TV on when you have to leave your room so that people think there's someone in there.

01:11:02.265 --> 01:11:03.865
I usually do that anyways, yep.

01:11:04.707 --> 01:11:11.490
Number 10 and last when traveling, do not throw away used luggage tags in the trash.

01:11:11.490 --> 01:11:18.256
There's a barcode or a QR code on there which contains your personal data and can be retrieved.

01:11:18.355 --> 01:11:21.958
That's very true, yeah, I usually throw that away at home.

01:11:21.958 --> 01:11:24.180
Yeah, I don't throw it away anywhere public.

01:11:24.180 --> 01:11:27.722
Yeah, so I also don't travel on airplanes a lot, yeah.

01:11:27.722 --> 01:11:30.099
You also don't travel on airplanes a lot.

01:11:30.028 --> 01:11:38.649
Yeah, you also don't travel, so today, thanks for that low blow, jesus christ today, she only accepts clients facing real and imminent danger of their life or well-being.

01:11:38.649 --> 01:11:48.134
Um, and this, she says, distinguishes her from services that are those from people who are seeking, like the more prestige, sure side of things.

01:11:48.134 --> 01:11:49.395
Yeah, um.

01:11:49.395 --> 01:12:05.145
So one last thing okay as of august 2019 okay women in saudi arabia are now allowed to carry a passport really and travel without approval from her husband or a male relative progression.

01:12:06.247 --> 01:12:18.229
Look at how progressive this world is so that is the story of jackie davis and the uk's first female bodyguard like I said, I got a lot of this information, most of this information from her book.

01:12:18.229 --> 01:12:19.150
It's called the circuit.

01:12:19.150 --> 01:12:27.978
The world's top female bodyguard reveals the truth about her career in covert operations okay and I also got um an article or um.

01:12:27.978 --> 01:12:34.470
I also got a lot of information from her personal website, jackiedaviscom so what was the movie again?

01:12:34.831 --> 01:12:36.413
it's called close.

01:12:36.413 --> 01:12:38.356
How do you say that?

01:12:38.597 --> 01:12:40.606
repace, repace, that's it um.

01:12:40.606 --> 01:12:45.095
It's on netflix from 2019 and it's called close close, okay.

01:12:45.155 --> 01:12:49.345
So if anyone wants to uh watch that, that get a little again liberties are taken.

01:12:49.345 --> 01:12:51.670
That's, yeah how it is with movies.

01:12:51.670 --> 01:12:56.426
It's hollywood, but uh, I don't know, might be interesting, so I I'd watch that.

01:12:56.426 --> 01:13:05.229
We should watch that one of these days because obviously the details, or details, has a link to one of our episodes, so that'd be kind of cool.

01:13:05.451 --> 01:13:08.997
Yeah, yeah, that was interesting so how was your gin and tonic?

01:13:09.078 --> 01:13:11.289
it was delicious, I have just a touch left.

01:13:11.310 --> 01:13:17.551
I actually managed to drink a little bit more during this time I tried to talk so you could oh, I appreciate that you're welcome.

01:13:17.653 --> 01:13:27.898
Yeah, I need another one, so um, so whelp I suppose all right, buff.

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