Dec. 3, 2024

Pinkies Up!: 40 Elephants

Pinkies Up!: 40 Elephants
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Pinkies Up!: 40 Elephants

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December 03, 2024

Bradley and Kate

Ever wondered if your youthful indiscretions would make for a good laugh? As we sip on some Modelo beers, we reminisce about our own awkward adventures, including a VHS tape mishap and a sneaky swipe of Burt's Bees Chapstick. These light-hearted confessions set the stage for our new segment, "The Origin of Weird," where we invite you to share your bizarre stories with us. Get ready to giggle at our past blunders as we tease the launch of our new companion podcast, promising more quirky tales and nostalgic reflections.

Travel back to the gritty world of 18th-century London as we uncover the notorious exploits of the Elephant and Castle Gang and their formidable female counterparts, the 40 Elephants. Join us as we explore the fascinating dynamics between these gangs, highlighting how the 40 Elephants became renowned for their sophisticated shoplifting techniques. Through the lens of Brian McDonald's book, "Alice Diamond and the 40 Elephants," we delve into the leadership of Alice Diamond, whose strategic mind turned the gang into a highly organized crime network that reached far beyond London.

Ever heard of a fur coat creating a ruckus in a shop? Discover the curious tale of a woman and her white fur coat, which leads us into a humorous exploration of word pronunciations and verbal fumbles. As we chat about the significance of this peculiar coat, we sprinkle in stories of the 40 Elephants and their criminal escapades. Whether you're here for the history or the humor, this episode offers a delightful mix of intrigue, laughter, and a peek into the charming chaos of our storytelling.


Alice Diamond and the Forty Elephants : The Female Gang That Terrorised London by Brian McDonald 

https://amzn.to/3YIRo5q


London Dark Tourist

https://londondarktourist.com/female-gangsters-forty-elephants/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Diamond

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Elephants


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Season 1

Ever wondered if your youthful indiscretions would make for a good laugh? As we sip on some Modelo beers, we reminisce about our own awkward adventures, including a VHS tape mishap and a sneaky swipe of Burt's Bees Chapstick. These light-hearted confessions set the stage for our new segment, "The Origin of Weird," where we invite you to share your bizarre stories with us. Get ready to giggle at our past blunders as we tease the launch of our new companion podcast, promising more quirky tales and nostalgic reflections.

Travel back to the gritty world of 18th-century London as we uncover the notorious exploits of the Elephant and Castle Gang and their formidable female counterparts, the 40 Elephants. Join us as we explore the fascinating dynamics between these gangs, highlighting how the 40 Elephants became renowned for their sophisticated shoplifting techniques. Through the lens of Brian McDonald's book, "Alice Diamond and the 40 Elephants," we delve into the leadership of Alice Diamond, whose strategic mind turned the gang into a highly organized crime network that reached far beyond London.

Ever heard of a fur coat creating a ruckus in a shop? Discover the curious tale of a woman and her white fur coat, which leads us into a humorous exploration of word pronunciations and verbal fumbles. As we chat about the significance of this peculiar coat, we sprinkle in stories of the 40 Elephants and their criminal escapades. Whether you're here for the history or the humor, this episode offers a delightful mix of intrigue, laughter, and a peek into the charming chaos of our storytelling.


Alice Diamond and the Forty Elephants : The Female Gang That Terrorised London by Brian McDonald 

https://amzn.to/3YIRo5q


London Dark Tourist

https://londondarktourist.com/female-gangsters-forty-elephants/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Diamond

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_Elephants


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Support the show













This website contains affiliate links. This means that if you click on a link and purchase a product, I may receive a small commission at no extra cost to you. This helps support the running of this website and allows me to continue providing valuable content. Please note that I only recommend products and services that I believe in and have personally used or researched.

00:00 - History Buffets Discuss Shoplifting Stories

11:14 - London's Notorious 40 Elephants Gang

22:45 - Sophisticated Organized Crime

31:43 - White Fur Coat's Significance in Theft

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Hey, buffoons, stick around to the end of the episode where we are going to have our very first the Origin of Weird story.

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We'll have a little look into it and what you can expect from our little companion podcast to this one and get a little sample of what weird stuff you might hear.

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Yeah, the Origin of Weird.

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Let us know if you like it and give us some weird stories.

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Yes, please send us some weird stories that we can look into, because we thought about this and we just want to find all things weird.

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We ran with it so hard.

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I kind of jogged.

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I'm not very fast.

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Well, we know.

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I have bad knees, anyways.

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Stick around.

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Hope you enjoy this episode and stick around to the end for a sample of what you'll expect from the Origin of Weird.

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Oh, hey there, oh hey there.

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How's it going, Kate?

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I'm good.

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How are you?

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Oh dear, you do learn, I'm good.

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It's because I just listened to the episode back.

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Oh, so you probably wouldn't have asked me otherwise, probably not.

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Oh, I do notice that in our just regular conversations too, I always ask you how you're doing, and you do ask me sometimes how I'm doing but, not always.

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Really.

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Yeah, that's so nice.

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I'm not saying you don't, I'm just saying not always I think I do that with one of my good friends too she always asks me how'd you sleep?

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Fine, then cricket.

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Yeah.

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Don't respond after that asking about her talk to you later.

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Okay, cool either way um, so we've got a couple modellos, because I guess we weren't being very adventurous, nor were we at a place that had adventurous beers the place we went definitely is not adventurous for that, which is unfortunate.

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Um, we didn't really want to drive all around the area just to look for a random beer, so we're going with a tried and true classic Modelo.

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Modelo, kate's go-to beer.

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And we even got some limes to shove down our cans.

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I thought that might sound funny, so that's why I said that it really did so.

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I was like I'm not shoving it down my throat.

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Oh, actual can.

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Actual can.

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yeah, oh, that just went into my eye.

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Was it the lime or the beer?

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The beer, thankfully.

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I say, at least out of the two, that's the better choice.

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Yeah.

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So I.

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I can trip on air, so You're not wrong.

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Okay, air.

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So yes, you're not wrong.

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Uh, okay, but uh, yeah.

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Well, cheers to uh cheers to the history.

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Oh hey, we're the history buffets.

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Oh yeah, see, that's why that one episode.

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I said it multiple times, just in case, but hey, we, we got it, we got there.

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So cheers, cheers wow it got a little full because of my uh lion and I didn't it came out before I was prepared this is talent maybe next time we get pots bottles.

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Yeah, it's just easier with the lime, I guess do you need a tissue?

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I?

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need something?

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I need a bib anyways all right, so I've got a question for you.

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What is?

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your question for me have you ever stolen anything from a shop?

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Yes, really.

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Yes, can you share.

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I was very young.

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It's actually.

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It was at a grocery store.

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Yeah, I happened to work at that grocery store and, uh, the funny thing is, the thing I took is not what they claimed.

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I stole and fired me because of oh yeah, they said I was.

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This is when grocery stores used to have like video departments where you could rent movies and games and stuff.

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They said I was up at the service counter.

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They said I swiped I think it was a packers like highlight, like vhs cassette, and I'm like no, I didn't.

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And uh, my at the time girlfriend, bless her heart, who can't tell a lie uh told her of other things that I may have swiped, which wasn't much.

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It was all shit.

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That I'm not saying, I'm not justifying it was stupid to do.

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Yeah, um, but it was stuff that was like damaged or whatever.

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Yeah, it wasn't going to be put back out anyways, right.

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And uh, yeah, that was.

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That was not a highlight of my young life but uh but yeah, I never took that fucking packers vhs, though swear to god to this day and that's how you got.

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They got fired from it they.

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They claimed I they had video footage and they claimed they saw me at the counter and I apparently had my hand and I wouldn't.

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Swiped it in front of me, hit the cord, swiped it in front of me and, uh, they never saw it again and I'm like, no, I didn't.

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But the funny thing is they pulled in my girlfriend first to talk to her and which is also rude, very rude, and they're asking a question like so does uh, do you see anything new at brad's house?

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It's like what, what?

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What are you talking about?

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but yeah, he put in some new light fixtures, yeah it's like his parents put down new carpet.

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I mean is that what you?

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mean, yeah, what do you, what do you get a man here?

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So they went, they went about it a very shady, very shady way and, yeah, I wasn't proud of it right that was dumb.

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You know, stupid adolescent stupidity.

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Yeah, basically, yeah, how about you?

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Oh yeah, I know you've, you've told me before.

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Yeah, I've taken Chapstick.

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That was probably like the one I remember most Okay Is that?

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because you take it a lot.

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No, no, I think it was at a Walmart and I took like a Burt's Bees Chapstick.

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Ooh high end.

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I know Nice and I I took like a burt's bees chapstick.

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Oh hi, ed, I know nice well castor oil and lip products don't really work well for lip skin okay I'm an esthetician, hi, how are you?

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Hello so burt's bees, I don't think all of their products have castor oil, but some don't, so I think I probably grabbed one that didn't have castor oil in it, and so that was cool um.

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So yes, I have stolen um chapstick since I've been an esthetician, which is about eight years oh, dear I know I'm so bad you need to not do that again.

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Nope, it's just not worth it it's not, and I've also stole like stickers oh, like from hobby lobby, yeah yeah, I I hate, I love to hate hobby lobby and I hate to love, hobby lobby yeah, I'm the same way with them, like sarah will let it go there once in a great while and I'm like do we really have to?

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then we go in.

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It's like, well, that's a cool sign.

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Fuck, why am I here?

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Yeah, there's so many really cool stuff and lots of great craft stuff that I enjoy, but I really hate their LGBTQ stance.

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Well, I mean, that's what?

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Yeah, I hate that they're closed on Sundays for religion, but you know I'm kidding To each their own, but you know I'm kidding to each their own, but you know, either way, Well, the story I'm going to share with you today involves thievery.

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Oh, I know See the segue there that was pretty smooth.

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Yeah, it was seamless.

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It really was.

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Yeah.

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OK, so we're going to go to London.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, so London was going through a massive transportation transportation first one of the.

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That was pretty great.

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I'm gonna use that as a soundbite.

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Oh man, that is fantastic london was in a transformation.

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Oh, not transportation.

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Nope.

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How's that go again?

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Boop, boop.

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Jesus Just wanted to get a clearer one to use as well.

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So cutting those out, it's going to be great.

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Okay, so this is in like the early 20th century, so around 1920s.

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It was basically a city of contrasts.

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Sure.

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So they had lingering effects of world war one right and then they also had like a ton of modern advances okay so they were experiencing like a huge economic growth um particularly in finance and entertainment as well.

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Sure so the city became a hub for art, literature, music, um music writers like Virginia Woolf.

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Yep, I know her.

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And TS Eliot.

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I know him.

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And jazz music came onto the scene Really.

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Mm-hmm, I guess, because I mean Well, I mean, they kind of gained popularity during that time.

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Because I guess you think of jazz music.

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I mean, I'm not saying it can't go everywhere, but you just always think of like the South, new Orleans, all that stuff I wouldn't have been like.

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Yeah, london had a huge jazz scene.

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That's kind of crazy to me.

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I didn't know that.

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But the BBC began broadcasting around that time.

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That's when it did Okay.

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And women gained more rights and freedoms, and thus came the flapper lifestyle.

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Right.

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So they kind of symbolized like a new era of independence.

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I was a flapper once, for halloween were you.

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Yeah, it was super cute, super cute.

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It was like pink and then the fringe was silver and black, so the pink would like show underneath the swing.

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Yeah super cute, nice yeah so, uh, london's population grew, with immigrants as well, okay, and they were modernizing the city with new buildings and infrastructure.

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Art Deco became a thing, suburbs expanded, so like just a huge amount of growth, just a big boom.

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Yeah, okay, but despite all this growing the middle class, they were still having quite a bit of hardship, hey sounds like today.

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Yeah, so poverty, unemployment was still a major issue.

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Sure Makes sense.

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So, as the metropolis soared, there was a dark underworld beginning to surface.

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Like a Bubbling up from the.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'm glad you got that reference.

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Did they.

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Obviously the Great great depression happened.

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Obviously here were they affected by all that at all in that time frame, because that's getting close to when that would have happened it is, but I that was not part of my research I know that was kind of a stretch of a question so I apologize for that one, but I just didn't know if that had any effect over there as well, because obviously things are booming.

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Right.

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I mean, things were booming here too, and then, right, it's not booming no more, it's not booming.

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Yeah, at least not for a lot of people.

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It's sinking, sinking.

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So there were a bunch of gangs that kind of formed during this time.

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And a lot of them were men-based, of course, sure, and they controlled a lot of the streets and they had a lot of greed.

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They they had to steal, essentially for survival makes sense so there is a specific gang called the elephant and castle gang elephant and castle.

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I mean, I like elephants yeah, you too it's my animal.

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So they were known for violent tactics.

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Oh dear.

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Yeah, and a diverse amount of criminal activity Kidnapping.

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Okay, I was just going to ask do you have a list?

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Thievery, thievery, assault.

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Oh, dear, murder.

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Murder, oh dear.

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Murder, murder.

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So there's actually a neighborhood in London that is called the Elephant and Castle neighborhood.

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So is it just called that because of them?

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No.

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So that was the neighborhood they got their name from.

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Yes, they got their name from the neighborhood.

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Okay.

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And there is a tavern there as well, called the elephant castle tavern.

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Can we go there?

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let's do that that we can podcast live from I believe it's still there but it's been like relocated so like I don't think it's like the original original okay, but it is still there, so to speak.

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I want to have you ever?

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you've never been to london, right, correct, okay, neither have I.

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But everything I've seen, it again.

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This is in movies and shit.

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In movies, you always see like them going to a tavern or or whatnot, or a pub they always have really cool fucking signs.

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I would love to see a sign for the elephant castle pub or whatever.

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I think that'd be kind of cool um, I do have a picture of the um neighborhood, yeah, yeah, I don't know if you'll be able to kind of see it from where you are, but I do have a picture of the neighborhood.

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Yeah yeah, I don't know if you'll be able to kind of see it from where you are, but you can describe it, and then this will be on our social medias too.

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Oh, that's cool.

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They literally have a giant elephant with what looks like a rook from chess on its back for a castle turret or whatever.

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Yeah, and it's massive.

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Yeah, that's huge, and it's like right at the intersection of two streets.

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Yeah, is that?

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do you know if that's still there?

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I don't know I wonder if that is, I'd be kind of that would be cool that would be cool, I want to get a picture there.

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How about this?

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We go over there, we take a picture in front of that and we go to the pub and we record an episode perfect, all right done.

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Let's do it give us money okay, give us money so the elephant and castle gang kind of a long name well, I mean yeah, so it's the what unc no, oh, they're just called the elephant gang oh, I like it even better.

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I mean, I like castles, but elephants are pretty cool yeah so they actually began their reign in like the seven, like 1700s 1780s is kind of about where that gang started, really and then just progressed from there.

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Wow, they were around that long and they would gather at that tavern and they and that's where they would like exchange their stolen commodities with each other okay, makes sense yeah, um.

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So that neighborhood kind of became the central hub and the gang had a bunch of female associates who also lived in the same neighborhood, sure, and they were pretty much groomed to be loyal to the men.

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Okay.

00:14:32.541 --> 00:14:38.373
This group of women brings me to the 40 elephants.

00:14:38.779 --> 00:14:40.164
The 40 elephants.

00:14:40.424 --> 00:15:08.573
Okay, do tell it is an all female gang, really gang really operating around the same elephant and castle neighborhood that's crazy and they specialize in sophisticated shoplifting because there's a fancy way to do it well, clearly I gotta have your pinkies out and everything pinkies up all right so the 40 elephants initially operated under the protection of the male dominant elephant gang Sure.

00:15:08.573 --> 00:15:13.270
The men provided security supplies and market for stolen goods.

00:15:13.551 --> 00:15:14.033
Makes sense.

00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:17.509
And the women supplied the steady stream of high-valued items.

00:15:17.690 --> 00:15:17.910
Okay.

00:15:18.660 --> 00:15:24.240
So the mutual benefit between the two, the factions, pretty much thrived.

00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:34.149
Yeah, they were just helping each other basically that makes sense so the reason why the gang has been around so long at least the elephant gang it was a family affair oh really.

00:15:34.149 --> 00:15:44.808
So it's kind of like mobbed up a little bit so, with the 40 elephants, the women, mothers, daughters, sisters, wives, they, they all were recruited in.

00:15:45.049 --> 00:15:49.195
So if you married a guy, you're part of the family?

00:15:49.235 --> 00:15:56.419
now, yeah, exactly, and they did this because there was a lot less chance of betrayal in the group.

00:15:56.620 --> 00:16:01.051
Well, I mean that makes sense because you're more loyal to your family and whatnot.

00:16:01.051 --> 00:16:02.724
So okay, I like it.

00:16:03.821 --> 00:16:06.929
So I read a book and of course, I forgot to write it down.

00:16:07.539 --> 00:16:09.504
Oh well, who was it by?

00:16:10.926 --> 00:16:15.835
It is by um a person whose name I have coming up.

00:16:15.835 --> 00:16:24.173
Okay, it's called um Alice diamond and the 40 elephants, and it is by Brian McDonald.

00:16:24.173 --> 00:16:24.595
Okay.

00:16:24.820 --> 00:16:25.964
So who's Alice Diamond?

00:16:25.964 --> 00:16:26.706
Are you going to get into that?

00:16:26.706 --> 00:16:27.610
I am Okay cool.

00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.168
So I'm going to have a couple quotes from that book.

00:16:30.168 --> 00:16:31.466
So here's one of the quotes.

00:16:31.466 --> 00:16:36.392
The longevity of the 40 Elephants was largely due to keeping it in the family.

00:16:36.392 --> 00:16:39.302
There were dynasties of shop thieves.

00:16:39.302 --> 00:16:48.307
Families kept things close to themselves and even robbed together, partied together, shared the spoils together and got sentenced together.

00:16:48.868 --> 00:16:51.649
I mean, at least they did everything together, then that's awesome.

00:16:52.711 --> 00:16:53.010
Yeah.

00:16:53.010 --> 00:16:57.234
So as the gang grew, their shoplifting became pretty successful.

00:16:57.693 --> 00:16:58.534
Sure, that makes sense.

00:16:58.554 --> 00:17:00.796
But they also learned how to defend themselves.

00:17:01.576 --> 00:17:02.918
Violently, I'm assuming.

00:17:03.238 --> 00:17:09.382
Yeah, yeah defend themselves violently, I'm assuming.

00:17:09.382 --> 00:17:25.153
Yeah, yeah, so there was still a lot of um confrontation between, like rough men in the area and these more demure women, and so they, they roughed up these men and cops, and even shop um clerks, if necessary, to get away with whatever what they were doing, yeah.

00:17:25.153 --> 00:17:26.034
Exactly Okay.

00:17:26.034 --> 00:17:31.971
So they actually had hat pins in their hats as weapons, as like their weapon of choice.

00:17:31.971 --> 00:17:35.900
Sure Makes sense, and I mean easily concealed and easily accessible.

00:17:35.940 --> 00:17:37.866
No one's really going to think of she's got a hat on.

00:17:37.866 --> 00:17:41.188
I mean, that was a common thing back in those days.

00:17:41.188 --> 00:17:47.382
So yeah, just make sure it's nice and pointy, yeah thing back in those days.

00:17:47.422 --> 00:17:48.566
So, yeah, just make sure it's nice and pointy, yeah.

00:17:48.566 --> 00:17:56.088
So as the women grew more independent in their scheming, they became um independent of the elephant gang okay and they elected a queen and is that the alice person?

00:17:56.249 --> 00:18:30.654
no, oh so they needed a woman with brains to plan and the ability to fight right so they elected mary carr mary carr c-a-r-r kind of figured it might be a double r there so she had a strategic mind and a lot of great organizational skills, and she allowed the gang to like, refine its methods and increase efficacy sure so she instilled a sense of discipline and purpose in her members, transforming them from petty thieves into an actual force Right, yeah.

00:18:30.654 --> 00:18:31.415
Force of nature.

00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:34.630
You're not going to go steal someone's purse off the side of the street.

00:18:34.630 --> 00:18:36.267
You're actually getting real shit.

00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:40.269
Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, no, chump change, chump change.

00:18:40.309 --> 00:18:41.332
You don't want that.

00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:41.843
So Mary Carr was born in 1862 in London.

00:18:41.843 --> 00:18:42.183
I don't want that.

00:18:42.183 --> 00:18:44.611
So Mary Carr was born in 1862 in London.

00:18:44.611 --> 00:18:51.574
Not much is known about her youth, but she did begin stealing from shops by her teen years.

00:18:51.574 --> 00:18:53.030
Okay, so she started pretty early.

00:18:53.030 --> 00:18:53.959
She did Gotcha.

00:18:53.959 --> 00:19:03.490
So one of her favorite ruses was to pretend to have lost her purse, of course, and tearfully asking a gentleman to provide her some bus fare to get home.

00:19:03.791 --> 00:19:04.012
Right.

00:19:04.701 --> 00:19:27.875
And as he was searching for his money, she would snatch his watch, oh, and chain and then run like mad, like like he knew exactly what was happening and she was just gone so it wasn't like concealed, like he knew that, yep, okay she just took it and ran wow and she has been caught doing this ploy, and one of her sentences for this was four months of hard labor.

00:19:28.280 --> 00:19:30.633
Hard labor for stealing a watch and chain or whatever.

00:19:30.633 --> 00:19:31.940
Yes, wow, yes Okay.

00:19:32.059 --> 00:19:36.111
So hard labor could be, breaking rocks into smaller rocks.

00:19:36.230 --> 00:19:36.471
Right.

00:19:36.980 --> 00:19:44.751
Construction work, factory work, yeah, anything considered difficult, long hours and kind of dangerous.

00:19:44.912 --> 00:19:45.292
Right right.

00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.855
Hard labor in the 1920s.

00:19:47.875 --> 00:19:48.298
All right, then Wow.

00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:57.996
So another ploy that Mary Carr would do was to pretend to be lost and upset until a man offered to walk her home, and then a gang of women would all jump in.

00:19:59.121 --> 00:20:15.490
I kind of figured that's where that was going, because you know you lure them into an unsuspecting area and then strength in numbers kind of thing, so okay it has been said that she makes about 40 pounds on a daily basis, which would be three thousand dollars today.

00:20:15.490 --> 00:20:28.134
Wow, on a daily basis three thousand dollars a day, like obviously today, that's crazy yeah I mean that's, that's a pretty good income, yeah so another ploy inside the shops.

00:20:29.021 --> 00:20:33.931
It was very common for one woman to more than one woman to enter together.

00:20:33.931 --> 00:20:48.027
So right one or two would distract the clerks with questions, and then the other would shoplift makes sense, so stealing became enticing even more as department stores started forming, because that wasn't a thing, it was all boutiques yep so they would.

00:20:48.027 --> 00:20:58.461
Those uh stores would draw huge crowds and the merchandise was no longer behind countertops, it was out in the open, which also wasn't a thing no, I was brand new to all of them.

00:20:58.621 --> 00:21:13.210
Yeah, so patrons could look and feel, touch the merchandise, try on the merchandise, exactly so I wrote down payday so as the 40 elephants success crew.

00:21:13.210 --> 00:21:16.994
So did the attention from law enforcement, of course.

00:21:16.994 --> 00:21:23.250
So recognizing the need for, like a new generation of leaders, car groomed Alice Diamond.

00:21:23.811 --> 00:21:24.732
That's the one, okay.

00:21:24.854 --> 00:21:25.535
Yes, Gotcha.

00:21:25.535 --> 00:21:31.553
She was charismatic, intelligent and had a natural talent for crime.

00:21:32.040 --> 00:21:34.288
Oh, how did she have a natural talent for crime?

00:21:34.288 --> 00:21:34.609
Do tell.

00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.866
Her father was a con artist.

00:21:38.107 --> 00:21:40.093
Oh, really, mm-hmm, Okay yeah.

00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.269
So Diamond's rise to power marked a turning point for the gang.

00:21:44.269 --> 00:21:51.407
She envision like a future way beyond even what they were doing now okay, so she wanted to amp it up.

00:21:51.407 --> 00:21:57.285
Basically, yes, gotcha so alice diamond was born june 20th 1896.

00:21:57.285 --> 00:22:01.056
Her parents thomas and marianne diamond.

00:22:01.056 --> 00:22:05.103
Her father had a criminal criminal.

00:22:05.103 --> 00:22:14.988
He had a criminal record sure did um, he even had a conviction for assaulting the son of lord Mayor of London during a political gathering.

00:22:15.335 --> 00:22:16.440
Lord Mayor of London.

00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:19.182
That probably is not a good person to attack?

00:22:19.182 --> 00:22:19.805
Probably not.

00:22:20.674 --> 00:22:25.645
So Alice was the eldest of seven or eight, depending on the location that you read this.

00:22:26.007 --> 00:22:28.396
Oh, really, it varies a little bit there, it does yeah.

00:22:28.416 --> 00:22:29.357
Okay, gotcha.

00:22:29.357 --> 00:22:35.442
Her younger sister, Louisa, would later join the 40 Elephants gang under Alice's leadership.

00:22:35.442 --> 00:22:41.548
Gotcha and her brother, Tommy, was also involved with the Elephant and Castle gang.

00:22:41.909 --> 00:22:44.211
Oh really, mm-hmm, so literally a family affair.

00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:45.875
It literally is All right.

00:22:45.875 --> 00:22:53.557
So under Diamond's leadership, the 40 Ele elephants evolved into a super sophisticated criminal network, sure so.

00:22:53.557 --> 00:22:56.484
They expanded their operations across the country.

00:22:56.484 --> 00:22:58.615
It's no longer just in london, really, wow.

00:22:59.438 --> 00:23:28.397
So diamond's strategic mind, combined with the gang's audacity and their skill, yeah they became pretty feared I would imagine I mean not just by law enforcement but by anyone that heard or knew about him, because, well, I don't want to get robbed right, whatever shop owners and whatever and they're known for their violence as well, with the elephant in castle gang right, and I mean personally.

00:23:28.397 --> 00:23:30.262
If someone came up to me, it's like give, give me all your money.

00:23:30.303 --> 00:23:31.846
I was like, yeah, I don't want to die.

00:23:31.846 --> 00:23:34.421
I mean, I got kids here you go.

00:23:34.582 --> 00:23:35.865
Yeah, it's not much.

00:23:37.255 --> 00:23:45.388
So there was no formal election or group discussion to get Alice Diamond to be the queen of the gang.

00:23:45.569 --> 00:23:45.789
Sure.

00:23:46.316 --> 00:23:51.028
Women just naturally fell in line behind her, as she was pretty trusted and self-assured.

00:23:51.394 --> 00:23:54.365
So she was just a natural leader for these people, yeah.

00:23:55.315 --> 00:24:05.411
So some of the members still remained loyal to Carr, but Alice's determination and her mind pretty much persuaded all these people to follow.

00:24:05.411 --> 00:24:09.587
So was Carr still like she was still a part of it, though, right, she was still a part of it.

00:24:09.728 --> 00:24:14.227
Okay, so she's not like well, I'm retiring so now Alice is in charge.

00:24:14.227 --> 00:24:17.363
Right Alice just kind of eventually took over.

00:24:17.363 --> 00:24:18.425
Yeah, okay.

00:24:18.665 --> 00:24:18.866
Yeah.

00:24:18.866 --> 00:24:33.708
So to solidify her position, alice engaged in a series of confrontations, oh, demonstrating her willingness to use violence and basically command respect.

00:24:33.996 --> 00:24:36.464
What was her go-to act of violence?

00:24:37.576 --> 00:24:42.386
She would literally wear diamond rings and use them to punch people out.

00:24:43.256 --> 00:24:44.119
Oh yeah, that would hurt.

00:24:44.315 --> 00:24:46.579
They earned her the nickname Diamond Annie.

00:24:47.161 --> 00:24:48.022
Diamond Danny.

00:24:48.304 --> 00:24:49.405
Diamond Annie.

00:24:49.646 --> 00:24:50.407
Oh, Annie, sorry.

00:24:52.195 --> 00:24:53.160
Yeah, that's what she used.

00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:54.497
She used her rings.

00:24:55.059 --> 00:24:57.300
That would hurt, especially if they stick out at all.

00:24:57.300 --> 00:24:59.401
That's not going to feel good.

00:24:59.401 --> 00:25:01.923
If you can land a solid punch.

00:25:02.878 --> 00:25:03.180
Okay.

00:25:03.481 --> 00:25:05.532
Diamond Annie, that's funny.

00:25:05.996 --> 00:25:10.442
And her last name was Diamond, that is pretty great, pretty fitting.

00:25:10.364 --> 00:25:10.997
I mean should have saw that one coming.

00:25:10.997 --> 00:25:11.535
Diamond, that I mean is pretty great, pretty fitting.

00:25:11.535 --> 00:25:13.742
I mean should have saw that one coming yeah.

00:25:14.836 --> 00:25:22.673
So, once in control, alice transformed the 40 elephants into a highly efficient and disciplined criminal organization.

00:25:22.673 --> 00:25:28.452
Right, she implemented pretty strict rules and severe punishments for those who dared to defy her.

00:25:28.733 --> 00:25:28.815
Oh.

00:25:29.615 --> 00:25:31.321
And I will kind of get into that a little bit more.

00:25:31.542 --> 00:25:31.983
Okay, cool.

00:25:32.296 --> 00:25:34.634
And to expand operations beyond London.

00:25:34.634 --> 00:25:41.944
They went to Birmingham, manchester and Liverpool where they were kind of in relative anonymity.

00:25:42.555 --> 00:25:45.084
Well, yeah, because they weren't in those areas before right.

00:25:45.084 --> 00:25:46.662
They were just strictly London.

00:25:46.662 --> 00:25:59.288
So because that you said is like like a, not a subdivision, just a town neighborhood um did before they moved out to like liverpool and manchester and all that?

00:25:59.288 --> 00:26:04.345
Did they have a pretty wide circle within that neighborhood, or did?

00:26:04.486 --> 00:26:21.624
they did frequent kind of the same shops okay but eventually, yeah, they had to move move on because they were, they were noticed eventually that's what I was trying to get to is because you only have x amount of shops, or whatever right you're gonna start being noticed.

00:26:21.624 --> 00:26:25.936
Really like lock the fucking door up the chicks down the road or whatever exactly.

00:26:26.017 --> 00:26:27.819
So okay, I was just curious.

00:26:27.819 --> 00:26:41.787
So the individuals in the gang, they've kind of come across as like lieutenants and specialists and they were the ones who kind of planned and executed the heists.

00:26:41.787 --> 00:26:45.604
So I'll kind of explain some of the heists a little bit later.

00:26:45.604 --> 00:26:53.969
Oh cool, but having like this expertise and this hierarchy, it was essential in the gang's longevity.

00:26:53.969 --> 00:27:07.824
So they specialized in high-end thefts targeting affluent customers with high society, and they would strike swiftly and then they poof, they're gone.

00:27:07.943 --> 00:27:09.367
Disappear Poof, all right.

00:27:10.076 --> 00:27:14.826
And of course they did not wear anything that they stole no, they just so.

00:27:14.865 --> 00:27:18.297
They basically just stole to resell it so they could make money off.

00:27:18.317 --> 00:27:26.910
Yeah they would like pay rent to like little uh storage facilities or basements and like store all their goods in there so it's like they're.

00:27:26.910 --> 00:27:37.690
They're running like their own little black market type of thing, okay so, to execute their elaborate heist, diamond also orchestrated a complex group of scouts and getaway drivers.

00:27:37.869 --> 00:27:39.520
Sure, I mean, that makes sense.

00:27:40.135 --> 00:27:51.512
So gang members were impeccably dressed and poised and they would infiltrate these upscale stores and they would distract staff and then discreetly pocket the valuable items.

00:27:51.512 --> 00:27:54.839
Okay, so they were masters of disguise and deception.

00:27:54.839 --> 00:28:06.538
Sure they actually also use like counterfeit documents to rent these like safe houses and storage units and everything to store to store their goods and they just did that, so they couldn't get track to it.

00:28:06.577 --> 00:28:27.056
Basically, wow, okay so women will wear these like big, voluminous skirts sure and overcoats, and then they would have their, their platoons would have like special pockets yeah and that's where they would like hide their, their silks and their pearls and diamonds and stuff anything they could get their hands on.

00:28:27.076 --> 00:28:28.096
Basically okay, yeah, so al yeah.

00:28:28.798 --> 00:28:37.088
So Alice would put women in groups of three or four, and then each of those groups would be a team of four or five.

00:28:37.669 --> 00:28:38.990
Oh, wow, yeah, Really.

00:28:39.010 --> 00:28:42.984
Yeah, and they would all go into the department store and wreak havoc.

00:28:42.984 --> 00:28:43.487
Essentially.

00:28:44.096 --> 00:28:46.143
So quite a group would go in there, okay.

00:28:46.644 --> 00:28:49.343
Yes, so here's some of their tactics.

00:28:50.096 --> 00:28:51.382
Oh, this is what I was waiting for.

00:28:52.175 --> 00:28:58.188
They would use a duplicate replica of an expensive piece and just kind of swap it out Like that was their like.

00:28:59.115 --> 00:29:03.846
So they'd see a piece they want, they'd replicate it and then they would just swap it out for the real one.

00:29:03.846 --> 00:29:05.840
Yes so it was less noticeable that it's gone.

00:29:05.901 --> 00:29:06.522
Yes, gotcha Okay.

00:29:06.522 --> 00:29:10.505
Another one revolved around chewing gum.

00:29:16.855 --> 00:29:17.076
What I mean.

00:29:17.096 --> 00:29:18.601
Another one revolved revolved around chewing gum, what I mean, like wriggly.

00:29:18.601 --> 00:29:19.242
I mean, what are we talking here?

00:29:19.242 --> 00:29:38.335
Kind of yeah, um, so a woman would ask to examine, examine several pieces of jewelry, pendants, rings, and in the confusing shuffle of, like, picking up a ring going to the light, looking it under a magnifying glass, picking up another one, having several in her hand, all looking at them, sure, um, one would go missing.

00:29:38.976 --> 00:29:45.977
Weird, in this weird shuffle yeah, okay the woman would be searched and nothing would ever be found is it because it was in the gum?

00:29:45.977 --> 00:29:54.611
An ally would then enter, ask about pieces of jewelry, and she would run her fingers underneath the counter.

00:29:54.996 --> 00:29:58.705
Oh, so it's basically like when kids would put their chewing gum under their desk.

00:29:58.705 --> 00:30:00.134
It's the same concept.

00:30:00.214 --> 00:30:07.714
Yes, the chewing gum was holding the ring up underneath the countertop and she would never be accused of stealing something.

00:30:07.755 --> 00:30:08.859
Because they couldn't find it on her.

00:30:09.076 --> 00:30:10.501
They couldn't find it on the first woman.

00:30:10.501 --> 00:30:11.662
The second woman they wouldn't need to search her.

00:30:11.662 --> 00:30:12.547
They couldn't find out on the first woman.

00:30:12.547 --> 00:30:15.440
The second woman, they wouldn't have a, they wouldn't need to search her no, because she wasn't around.

00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:15.901
She wasn't there.

00:30:15.901 --> 00:30:18.576
Well, that, and she's not doing anything wrong yeah in their eyes.

00:30:18.576 --> 00:30:21.664
She's just, I'd like to see this piece and then shuffle shuffle.

00:30:21.704 --> 00:30:24.637
Oh, there it is, yep exactly okay, that's pretty clever.

00:30:24.679 --> 00:30:25.680
I mean for for that.

00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:33.759
I don't think it would work today, but you know, that was pretty good so another heist was called the three card trick three card trick.

00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:37.067
So we're gonna do person one, person two, person three, so keep up.

00:30:37.067 --> 00:30:44.936
I'll do my best, you know me three women would enter a shop separately, okay okay, so it looked like they weren't together, correct okay?

00:30:44.936 --> 00:30:48.662
Person one would have a loose fitting white coat.

00:30:48.662 --> 00:30:53.529
Okay, person two would try on a fur coat.

00:30:53.950 --> 00:30:54.211
Okay.

00:30:55.655 --> 00:31:06.108
Person one would take off her white coat Right, lay it down and underneath it she would have on a similar Fur coat Fur coat, okay.

00:31:06.108 --> 00:31:09.568
While the person person two is also trying on the store's actual fur coat, right, right, so was the one that she had under her white coat fake, it was hers.

00:31:09.568 --> 00:31:11.035
While the person two is also trying on the store's actual fur coat right.

00:31:11.474 --> 00:31:14.624
So was the one that she had under her white coat fake.

00:31:15.224 --> 00:31:15.787
It was hers.

00:31:16.174 --> 00:31:17.240
Oh, it was just her own.

00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:21.345
Oh, so basically, it's just trying to confuse, okay.

00:31:21.894 --> 00:31:25.384
So person three distracts the shop clerk.

00:31:25.384 --> 00:31:41.094
Yeah, person two, who's wearing the store's fur coat, correct, puts on the white coat that was taken off right and person one and two would leave oh, so they just walk out with an extra fur coat.

00:31:41.114 --> 00:31:43.059
Basically, yes person.

00:31:43.320 --> 00:31:53.596
One is asked to come back because she's wearing the shop's fur coat, only to prove that it was hers so did they say how she proved that it was hers, anything like that?

00:31:54.017 --> 00:32:01.541
no, okay, no because, like, I mean, as long as it's not the exact same thing, you'd be like well, this isn't even actually yours, so this isn't okay.

00:32:01.582 --> 00:32:04.257
Yeah, this isn't even a brand that you carry right, right.

00:32:04.457 --> 00:32:11.288
They just kind of assumed because they saw her coat yeah, and then person two escapes and person three escapes wow, I mean that's.

00:32:11.288 --> 00:32:13.457
Did it have to be a white coat?

00:32:13.457 --> 00:32:14.339
What was the significance?

00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:20.489
It literally was a white coat, I don't know I just wonder what the significance of the white coat would be.

00:32:20.528 --> 00:32:33.547
But you know or if that only happened the one time and it happened to be a white coat I don't know right, that's true, that's funny so, while the 40 elephants operated not autonomously.

00:32:36.737 --> 00:32:37.640
Can you do that one more?

00:32:37.660 --> 00:32:38.782
time Autonomously.

00:32:38.782 --> 00:32:39.285
There it is.

00:32:39.997 --> 00:32:40.660
That's great.

00:32:43.517 --> 00:32:46.234
Alice Diamond recognized strategic alliances.

00:32:46.234 --> 00:32:47.859
Can I just interject something?

00:32:47.859 --> 00:32:49.025
Here, real quick.

00:32:49.045 --> 00:32:58.308
What I really like how you say words I mean sometimes I mean that's just fantastic.

00:32:58.694 --> 00:33:00.983
I don't think we have an episode where I don't fumble something.

00:33:01.575 --> 00:33:03.522
But that's the beauty of it, you're consistent.

00:33:03.522 --> 00:33:08.598
Sorry, I just wanted to put that out there, I enjoy your word salads.

00:33:08.598 --> 00:33:09.564
Okay, so Alice Diamond Strategic Alliances.

00:33:09.584 --> 00:33:10.650
right, I just I wanted to put that out there.

00:33:10.650 --> 00:33:11.334
I enjoy your word salads.

00:33:11.334 --> 00:33:14.414
Okay, so Alice Diamond Strategic Alliances, right?

00:33:14.414 --> 00:33:18.806
So she had a relationship with someone in the Elephant and Castle gang?

00:33:18.987 --> 00:33:19.207
Right.

00:33:20.556 --> 00:33:35.779
But having like this relationship provided a bigger network for selling these goods, okay, okay, so she was in a relationship with a man named Billy Hill Billy Hill and he was just a prominent criminal figure?

00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:46.857
yeah, member of the gang, basically, yeah, and he just kind of further solidified her position sure so alice had been arrested many times like everybody was has been arrested um.

00:33:46.897 --> 00:33:48.823
She wasn't spoil proof um.

00:33:48.823 --> 00:34:00.269
She had stints of hard labor up to two months, four months, six months and then at one time she she was um doing hard labor for 18 months, holy shit, was that her longest?

00:34:00.269 --> 00:34:03.951
Yeah, as far as you know, yeah, okay or she was in jail, at least for 18 months.

00:34:03.991 --> 00:34:28.240
Maybe not hard labor, but either way, I mean being off the streets for a year and a half that's, that probably wasn't good for for the gang, basically so even with her leadership skills in jail, the gang was still highly active so did she kind of run it from jail then, so she would like when people visit and be like do this, this and this kind of thing, or I don't know if it would be that slick.

00:34:28.882 --> 00:34:35.748
I don't know if she actually like corresponded with like in person or if it was over letters, I'm not sure that's all right.

00:34:35.889 --> 00:34:40.420
I just my mind always goes to like, like goodfellas or the mob movies.

00:34:40.420 --> 00:34:49.735
You know that you see, like they visit the, the captain or the boss or whoever's in prison or whatever they like, ordering hits and shit like that.

00:34:49.735 --> 00:34:51.619
So I was just curious if it was something similar to that.

00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:55.369
I guess, yeah, yeah so the k the gang had a code.

00:34:55.369 --> 00:34:55.429
Oh.

00:34:55.429 --> 00:35:03.536
So this is like the strict rules I was talking about earlier oh, that's right, yeah, okay so they called it the hoisters code the hoisters.

00:35:04.416 --> 00:35:05.378
That's pretty, uh.

00:35:05.378 --> 00:35:06.579
All right, I like it.

00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.882
So discipline is expected.

00:35:09.744 --> 00:35:10.125
Of course.

00:35:10.164 --> 00:35:15.050
Particularly punctuality and attendance at meetings or on jobs.

00:35:15.514 --> 00:35:16.681
Well, especially on jobs.

00:35:18.556 --> 00:35:19.659
Playing the three car trick.

00:35:19.659 --> 00:35:20.623
Where's number three?

00:35:21.175 --> 00:35:24.045
Yeah, it's like she was supposed to be here 20 minutes ago.

00:35:24.045 --> 00:35:30.349
I mean, their shit's not going to work if they don't obviously have everyone there.

00:35:30.454 --> 00:35:46.114
So yeah, no, I, I totally get that so there was no drinking before a raid makes sense and they had to go to bed early you need your wits about you a member can ask to leave the gang, but can only come back if they're invited.

00:35:46.114 --> 00:35:51.947
Oh, okay so invitation only Members can be expelled.

00:35:52.568 --> 00:35:52.909
Oh sure.

00:35:53.074 --> 00:35:55.463
Usually for just a period and then invited back.

00:35:55.643 --> 00:35:55.985
Gotcha.

00:35:56.974 --> 00:36:01.565
Being shunned brings disgrace to the family, which is the entire gang.

00:36:01.726 --> 00:36:01.967
Yep.

00:36:03.295 --> 00:36:13.815
A member expelled for treachery will not be trusted again and if they remain in the district, are liable to ridicule or a beating.

00:36:13.815 --> 00:36:39.965
Oh wow really so, unless they moved away, it's like well I'm gonna beat you now because, well, that's part of our code I got all, all eight rings on my fingers, oh dear I haven't put some of my thumbs, all right um, the queen or group leader is not to be held responsible when things go wrong, sure, and it's generally held to be like misfortunes of war.

00:36:40.206 --> 00:36:40.527
Okay.

00:36:40.606 --> 00:36:44.523
Okay, young family members are expected to join.

00:36:44.905 --> 00:36:45.585
Wow so like.

00:36:46.615 --> 00:36:48.302
I would say like teens Right.

00:36:48.375 --> 00:36:50.021
So like I have two kids.

00:36:50.021 --> 00:36:51.704
Xavier comes of age, he's, I know this is teens Right.

00:36:51.704 --> 00:36:53.255
So like I have two kids Xavier comes of age he's.

00:36:53.255 --> 00:36:59.820
I know this is the female side, but you know what I mean the elephant castle, one Well Xavier's, old enough, yep.

00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:04.282
Come on son, that'd be weird, let's go meet the queen yeah.

00:37:04.282 --> 00:37:05.619
Time to meet the queen.

00:37:07.175 --> 00:37:14.851
So most, Most beg to be taken in but they must accept training provided by the veterans.

00:37:15.492 --> 00:37:16.934
Naturally, I mean, that makes sense.

00:37:18.061 --> 00:37:24.974
So I did not look into this, but they had like a subscription, like dues essentially.

00:37:24.974 --> 00:37:28.789
Well, yeah, and all the dues were held by the queen.

00:37:28.789 --> 00:37:31.807
Makes sense and that would be to hire defense lawyers.

00:37:31.967 --> 00:37:41.891
Sure, Well, and I'm sure that you know they got to buy more white coats or whatever it might be, there's stuff that they have to buy that they're not going in to steal a fucking white coat.

00:37:41.891 --> 00:37:45.211
They're going to steal jewelry and shit that's expensive.

00:37:45.211 --> 00:37:50.632
So yeah, I mean it makes sense to have dues because you need some equipment, basically.

00:37:50.632 --> 00:37:53.088
So you need to stab some guy with a hairpin.

00:37:53.088 --> 00:37:57.266
Can't do it if I don't have the hairpin right.

00:37:57.326 --> 00:38:07.027
I mean you're not wrong so so if a member is arrested, others must be willing to provide an alibi of course I mean, why wouldn't they?

00:38:07.027 --> 00:38:11.543
Proceeds from a job are equally shared by the group members involved.

00:38:11.722 --> 00:38:34.088
Okay, no matter what their role so if, even if you were this, the, the getaway driver, but the person who actually lifted it, they get the equal amount okay nice members must not steal from their from each other sure that includes their boyfriends why did that happen in the story?

00:38:34.088 --> 00:38:35.271
Yes, oh, no, okay.

00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.809
Families must be looked after while a member is in prison.

00:38:39.969 --> 00:38:40.190
Sure.

00:38:40.940 --> 00:38:50.414
When one of the group is arrested, their share of the proceeds is held for them or passed to a nominated family member or friend.

00:38:50.860 --> 00:39:01.851
Oh, so if, like Josie over here, got caught during it, they'll give it to yeah like her boyfriend or husband or whatever it might be right okay until she gets out.00:39:01.851 --> 00:39:04.784


Wow, that's pretty, pretty nice of them really.00:39:04.784 --> 00:39:14.588


Members do not wear what they steal no, you had said that, which is, I mean again, makes sense, because they're trying to well make money off of it.00:39:15.090 --> 00:39:23.110


So and the last one is members must not aid the police in any way so basically don't be a snitch.00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:30.213


Yeah, okay so all of that was taken from the alice diamond and the 40 elephants book by brian mcdonald's nice.00:39:30.213 --> 00:39:36.161


So in the 20th century the 40 elephants pretty much modernized their methods, sure?00:39:36.161 --> 00:39:40.610


Um, they employed high-speed vehicles for transportation and escape.00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:48.831


Alice herself had a black chrysler oh and they utilized the railroad system sure makes sense um.00:39:48.831 --> 00:39:57.351


And then, beyond shop lifting, they actually started to do residential burglaries, and including blackmail.00:39:57.992 --> 00:39:59.355


Of course Okay.00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.411


Some members even secured employment as maids.00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.248


Oh, so they could like case the joint kind of thing.00:40:07.288 --> 00:40:07.528


Yep.00:40:07.528 --> 00:40:09.416


All right, exactly Smart.00:40:09.416 --> 00:40:16.318


So, despite their success, the 40 elephants eventually faced some internal and external pressures.00:40:16.318 --> 00:40:28.056


All right, so the internal power struggles like, particularly from the younger recruits they would be a little bit more rebellious and kind of would undermine leadership.00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.489


They basically said well, we're doing all the work.00:40:30.489 --> 00:40:32.407


We should give them more kind of shit or whatever.00:40:32.407 --> 00:40:32.788


Yeah, yeah.00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:39.190


And then additionally increase police scrutiny and stricicter laws, stuff like that.00:40:39.190 --> 00:40:46.452


So ultimately, the combination of the internal external challenges led to the decline of the 40 elephants gotcha.00:40:46.452 --> 00:40:56.679


So according to police records, alice diamond was arrested in 1925 for her involvement in several high uh profile jewelry thefts.00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:05.802


Okay, and she she did manage to avoid like lengthy prison sentences well, you said the longest one she had was 18 months.00:41:05.884 --> 00:41:18.298


Yeah, I mean, for what she all did, that's really not that bad so the gang eventually did continue to operate under new leadership when Alice was in jail in that 1925 arrest.00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:18.679


Right.00:41:19.282 --> 00:41:22.860


But it never gained that same level of power and notoriety.00:41:23.663 --> 00:41:24.726


It lost its luster.00:41:24.726 --> 00:41:25.690


Basically, yeah, okay.00:41:26.721 --> 00:41:44.152


So Alice Diamond's reign as the leader of the 40 elephants ended, but pioneer, I would think, think I'd say yeah, um, I mean other people would like overlook her women's capabilities and right she's demure and she's a lady.00:41:44.452 --> 00:41:52.913


No, she'll fuck you up well, yeah, I mean she diamond and annie, so why'd they say annie for alice?00:41:52.913 --> 00:41:54.742


This is just kind of it fit better.00:41:54.782 --> 00:41:56.121


Yeah, I think it just fit better.00:41:56.420 --> 00:42:04.947


Diamond Alice, diamond Annie well, especially because her name was Alice Diamond yeah so it's just like it's like reading her her name in a phone book.00:42:05.688 --> 00:42:16.474


Yeah, so okay, anyway, yeah so Alice um lived her final months um in a one-bed flat, and she actually had owned that flat for quite some time, like over a decade.00:42:16.474 --> 00:42:22.271


Oh wow, she became paralyzed and lost the use of her limbs, and she died at only 55 years old.00:42:22.552 --> 00:42:23.233


Oh, so pretty young.00:42:23.233 --> 00:42:24.706


How did she become paralyzed?00:42:25.481 --> 00:42:27.228


She had multiple sclerosis.00:42:27.722 --> 00:42:29.699


Oh, so medical Okay.00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:32.346


Her sister Louisa, who was also in the gang.00:42:32.346 --> 00:42:34.851


She eventually um had ms as well.00:42:34.851 --> 00:42:49.347


Oh jesus, yeah literally a family affair yes, lord that's too bad yes okay so that is alice diamond and the 40 elephant gang of london obviously focused on the female side.00:42:49.387 --> 00:42:51.690


More is did the?00:42:51.690 --> 00:42:54.193


The elephant in castle, is that?00:42:54.193 --> 00:42:56.335


Did that go defunct over time too?00:42:56.335 --> 00:42:57.802


Did that not come across?00:42:58.463 --> 00:43:10.978


you know I I skimmed quite a bit in this book because I wanted to focus a little bit more on annie diamond understandable or alice, diamond, um, and, and the actual 40 elephants.00:43:10.978 --> 00:43:13.373


Like 40 elephants is what I wanted to do.00:43:13.373 --> 00:43:18.010


This story on Okay, and the elephant castle gang just kind of popped up here and there.00:43:18.219 --> 00:43:21.831


I just didn't know if you knew, like if they were still a thing, kind of.00:43:21.831 --> 00:43:23.476


I guess I highly doubt it.00:43:23.476 --> 00:43:25.929


I mean, that's 104 years ago.00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:31.893


There could be still you know that underbelly black market that we don't know about.00:43:32.681 --> 00:43:42.983


Yeah, now it's called the dark web, exactly black market that we don't know about.00:43:43.003 --> 00:43:43.666


Yeah, now it's called the dark web.00:43:43.666 --> 00:43:44.568


I would love to go to that pub though.00:43:44.568 --> 00:43:46.394


Yeah, that sounds fun, that'd be, kind of cool, even if it's not an original location, whatever.00:43:46.414 --> 00:43:47.117


Yeah, they said it's down the street.00:43:47.117 --> 00:44:05.659


Oh well, we're moving to new digs, guys let's go down the street but I don't know that'd be kind of, that'd be kind of cool to go see and see if they got some cool sign outside with the well, I mean that tower, not tower statue that you showed me it pretty much was a statue yeah it's, it's huge on the corner of that street or whatever.00:44:05.659 --> 00:44:06.461


Yeah, that was.00:44:06.461 --> 00:44:07.445


That was pretty neat.00:44:07.445 --> 00:44:11.925


I mean it's that's still got to be there, I would assume I would assume, why would you get rid of?00:44:11.965 --> 00:44:13.128


that I, I don't know Unless.00:44:13.128 --> 00:44:15.675


People are dicks.00:44:16.257 --> 00:44:18.284


Well, I mean, you're not wrong there.00:44:18.284 --> 00:44:21.313


That's a pretty common theme in the world today.00:44:21.353 --> 00:44:21.574


Yeah.00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.885


The more people there are, the more dicks there are.00:44:23.885 --> 00:44:30.070


So hey, but unfortunately, 51%.00:44:30.070 --> 00:44:31.425


Is that what the?00:44:31.445 --> 00:44:33.447


number is I think it's 49 and women are 50.00:44:35.641 --> 00:44:36.021


That's right.00:44:36.021 --> 00:44:41.141


Something like that 49% more dick Wow.00:44:41.422 --> 00:44:41.742


Isn't that?00:44:41.802 --> 00:44:42.322


interesting?00:44:42.322 --> 00:44:42.903


No, it is.00:44:42.903 --> 00:44:48.050


I mean, typically, when you think of gangs, you don't think of a female gang, honestly, especially in the 20s?00:44:48.070 --> 00:44:48.349


Yeah, why would?00:44:48.369 --> 00:44:48.971


you ever even think that?00:44:48.971 --> 00:44:50.431


Yeah, because it's basically a male-dominated twenties.00:44:50.733 --> 00:44:50.972


Yeah.00:44:51.353 --> 00:44:52.594


Why would you ever even think that?00:44:52.594 --> 00:44:55.659


Yeah, cause it's basically a male dominated profession.00:44:55.798 --> 00:44:56.018


Yeah.00:44:56.119 --> 00:45:00.347


Especially with, you know, the mob and all that stuff that grew up and whatever over time.00:45:00.347 --> 00:45:03.273


But uh, no, that's I like that.00:45:03.273 --> 00:45:03.914


That's pretty cool.00:45:03.914 --> 00:45:05.235


I had no idea.00:45:05.235 --> 00:45:16.744


Especially I liked the fact that it wasn't, it was in London too, and how they grew grew from there.00:45:16.744 --> 00:45:19.112


Yeah, and of course I'm partial to elephants, so you are, I do like my elephants, yeah, but yeah, so yeah, no, that was.00:45:19.112 --> 00:45:20.677


What do you think about researching the story, though?00:45:20.677 --> 00:45:21.719


I mean, where?00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:22.643


How did you find that one?00:45:22.664 --> 00:45:26.860


that was pretty cool you know, pinterest has always been a good friend of mine.00:45:26.860 --> 00:45:40.989


You do like pinterest a lot yeah yeah, and they have um little blurbs of, like, interesting facts that I've come across oh cool, and the ones that I find that are really historical and which fit in kind of our vibe.00:45:40.989 --> 00:45:43.173


I save those, oh very cool.00:45:43.213 --> 00:45:45.405


Yeah, so that's one you found off of that.00:45:45.405 --> 00:45:46.528


Yes, oh, that's awesome.00:45:46.528 --> 00:45:55.391


Yes, no, I like it because that's something really different from what we've done before and I never would have guessed that's the story you had for us today.00:45:55.391 --> 00:45:59.228


So I do, I did like that, well done.00:45:59.509 --> 00:45:59.768


Thank you.00:46:00.500 --> 00:46:17.494


So well, oh, hey there, oh, hey there, oh, hey there.00:46:18.094 --> 00:46:19.996


Welcome to the Origin of Weird.00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:27.605


Yeah, this is our little companion podcast to our main History Buffoons podcast.00:46:27.605 --> 00:46:32.981


We were I don't know basically what's the word I'm looking for, I don't know.00:46:32.981 --> 00:46:38.273


We were were talking about stuff and it was just kind of came out of nowhere and oh yeah, no, we were.00:46:38.273 --> 00:46:48.146


I think we were having a podcast meeting yeah, and we were like we were joking around with something and I'm like and we just I think I said you did yeah it's like the origin of weird.00:46:48.186 --> 00:46:52.085


That'd be a good podcast name yeah, and we're like let's do something with that yeah.00:46:52.146 --> 00:47:05.110


So it kind of came from a meeting we had or whatever, and we will kind of develop that into a little companion piece, if you will, for the History Buffoons podcast.00:47:05.110 --> 00:47:13.773


So we're looking at all the weird, weird stuff not just main people or stories that we've been doing in History Buffoons.00:47:13.773 --> 00:47:16.614


So this is for just kind of random weirdness.00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:17.965


Yeah, this is extra fun.00:47:18.146 --> 00:47:18.387


Yeah.00:47:18.601 --> 00:47:22.820


And these are going to be like mini episodes, so they're not going to be nearly as long or anything.00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:29.541


No, they're just little again, companion podcast episodes for the main one and we just want to.00:47:29.541 --> 00:47:31.608


Kind of well, that's weird.00:47:31.608 --> 00:47:37.510


So we're on our quest to find the origin of weird, the origin of weird I still love that name.00:47:37.510 --> 00:47:38.793


Uh-huh, it's so great.00:47:39.139 --> 00:47:41.148


Okay, so do you want to know something weird?00:47:41.661 --> 00:47:43.307


I definitely want to know something weird.00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:49.389


There is a road in California called Dead Man's Curve.00:47:49.971 --> 00:47:51.494


Dead Man's Curve Okay.00:47:51.673 --> 00:47:58.233


Okay, so it's a stretch of a sunset bou Boulevard of LA, just north of UCLA.00:47:58.721 --> 00:48:00.606


Oh, so it's actually part of Sunset Boulevard.00:48:00.606 --> 00:48:01.730


Yeah, oh, wow.00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:07.972


So it's called Dead Man's Curve, as it's particularly dangerous for eastbound traffic.00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:10.025


Not even westbound, just eastbound.00:48:10.045 --> 00:48:11.389


Just eastbound oh weird.00:48:11.389 --> 00:48:32.365


So the road ran downhill and then bent sharply to the left okay making it really easy for a vehicle to like accelerate above the posted 35 mile an hour speed limit and I guess they just they didn't want to ride their brakes or something, I don't know but they had a hard time slowing down sure um at this curve.00:48:32.365 --> 00:48:43.086


So if the curve wasn't banked sufficiently enough, the cars would like over correct by veering to the right right because the other direction was a wall of trees oh yeah, that would.00:48:43.106 --> 00:48:48.481


That would not be good yeah, so it would cause their cars to spin out and swerve into oncoming traffic.00:48:48.481 --> 00:48:49.842


Naturally, naturally, yeah.00:48:49.842 --> 00:49:02.257


So there were three fatal accidents in a total of 26 accidents a dead man's curve in a two year period, around 1961.00:49:02.721 --> 00:49:03.764


Okay, that's a lot of.00:49:03.764 --> 00:49:08.407


Yeah, I mean in two years, that's a lot 26 accidents and three fatal.00:49:08.702 --> 00:49:10.041


Wow All right, yeah.00:49:10.041 --> 00:49:13.679


So one of the most famous victims.00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.389


I was just going to ask if there's a famous person, yep.00:49:16.481 --> 00:49:17.958


He did not die in this accident.00:49:18.201 --> 00:49:19.677


So he is one of the injured, okay.00:49:19.797 --> 00:49:25.030


Yeah, so he is one of the most famous victims of the dead man's curve and his name was Mel Blanc.00:49:25.030 --> 00:49:27.244


Oh, do you know who Mel Blanc is?00:49:27.244 --> 00:49:28.608


Yeah, do tell.00:49:28.608 --> 00:49:30.784


I believe in you.00:49:37.699 --> 00:49:38.681


Isn't it?00:49:38.702 --> 00:49:39.543


mel blink, maybe isn't he.00:49:39.543 --> 00:49:40.385


Am I getting them mixed up, isn't?00:49:40.405 --> 00:49:41.246


he the cigar guy?00:49:41.246 --> 00:49:41.869


No, no, he's, uh, bugs bunny.00:49:41.869 --> 00:49:42.831


Yes, damn it, you beat me to it.00:49:42.831 --> 00:49:43.311


I corrected.00:49:43.311 --> 00:49:48.851


I was thinking of, for some reason, I had george burns in my brain, but then he was an old guy who smoked cigars.00:49:48.851 --> 00:49:52.545


Oh, but then yeah, so no, he was the voice of bugs bunny, he.00:49:52.545 --> 00:49:54.027


He did a bunch of voices though, didn't he?00:49:54.047 --> 00:49:56.853


Oh he did a ton, that's what I thought yeah.00:49:56.853 --> 00:50:03.873


So he voiced Bugs Bunny, porky Pig, even Tasmanian Devil, daffy Duck, sylvester.00:50:04.273 --> 00:50:04.434


Nice.00:50:04.780 --> 00:50:07.686


So supposedly he had voiced over 400.00:50:07.706 --> 00:50:09.791


Holy shit that's how many Cartoon?00:50:09.791 --> 00:50:10.512


Characters?00:50:10.512 --> 00:50:23.525


Which one do you think he voiced when the police came on the scene and of his accident?00:50:23.525 --> 00:50:24.027


Oh, I will tell you.00:50:24.027 --> 00:50:25.130


Oh, really, so you think it is blank?00:50:25.150 --> 00:50:25.371


not blank.00:50:25.371 --> 00:50:27.315


I always thought it was mel mel blank but I, I don't know if that's correct.00:50:27.335 --> 00:50:31.967


Well, shit, well, you know, blank, blank, tomato, tomato okay, well, mel mel.00:50:31.967 --> 00:50:35.838


This is called mel, hey mel he was driving his aston martin.00:50:35.838 --> 00:50:48.079


Oh, that's my favorite kind of car east well, of course he wasn't going west, because that wouldn't have been an issue and it was in january of 1961, and he suffered a head-on collision with another car, oh shit.00:50:48.501 --> 00:50:59.987


So he sustained multiple fractures, including his pelvis, and he had head trauma that left him in a coma for weeks, oh really, and he was completely unresponsive.00:50:59.987 --> 00:51:04.342


Wow, yeah, that's wild so the doctor's family.00:51:04.342 --> 00:51:07.329


They would all like, hey, mel come out, dad come out.00:51:07.329 --> 00:51:21.496


You know they would try to get him to um come out of the coma just by like talking to him essentially makes sense, but he wouldn't respond at all okay two weeks into his coma, his neurologist from ucla medical center.00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.364


Yeah, thought of something different.00:51:23.364 --> 00:51:24.827


Play one of his voices.00:51:24.827 --> 00:51:33.490


He was going to talk to a looney tune well, I mean he was asked how are you feeling today, Bugs?00:51:34.393 --> 00:51:34.693


Okay.00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:42.490


After a slight pause, Mel answered in a weak voice just fine, Doc, how are you?00:51:43.393 --> 00:51:45.054


Really that's, weird.00:51:45.340 --> 00:51:49.088


The doctor then asked Tweety if he was there too.00:51:50.050 --> 00:51:51.373


It was he, he was.00:51:52.021 --> 00:51:54.528


Mel's response was I tall, I tall, I tall, putty tat.00:51:54.528 --> 00:52:02.532


Wow, and now mel made a full recovery after that I never heard that of him.00:52:03.293 --> 00:52:09.030


Good old mel, that is pretty, I mean creative way to do it, I guess because, why not?00:52:09.070 --> 00:52:13.065


that's crazy, so um mel's absence from his shows were.00:52:13.065 --> 00:52:14.429


It was relatively brief.00:52:14.429 --> 00:52:28.273


So he was out for two weeks and then he was at home in a cast for about seven months, so he had other voice actors, including his own son, fill in for him for several of the episodes that he was doing.00:52:28.273 --> 00:52:28.793


Oh, wow.00:52:28.793 --> 00:52:37.324


So the show producers even like set up recording equipment in mel's hospital room and then later at his home okay so he could actually work from there.00:52:37.405 --> 00:52:55.612


Well, it makes sense yeah uh, so one of the only days after his release, he actually filed a five hundred thousand dollar lawsuit against the city of la because of the road, and that that would be about $5 million today.00:52:55.612 --> 00:53:08.503


Wow, his accident, with the other collisions and deaths that I had mentioned earlier, resulted in the city funding the restructuring of the curves at this location, and now it's like one just long straight road.00:53:09.063 --> 00:53:10.527


Well, I mean that makes sense.00:53:10.527 --> 00:53:11.590


So was he?00:53:11.590 --> 00:53:13.304


He was like the final accident basically.00:53:13.304 --> 00:53:14.400


I don't know if was like the final accident basically.00:53:15.260 --> 00:53:17.909


I don't know if he was the final accident, but he was the catalyst.00:53:17.909 --> 00:53:19.365


Well, yeah, he got it changed.00:53:19.900 --> 00:53:24.393


I mean I don't blame him, because clearly that stretch was pretty stupid, very dangerous.00:53:24.393 --> 00:53:26.827


Yeah, because of how many people got injured and three dead.00:53:28.541 --> 00:53:29.443


But how weird is that.00:53:29.585 --> 00:53:31.369


That is very weird, I like it.00:53:31.369 --> 00:53:34.617


Especially because he came out of his coma talking like Bugs.00:53:34.637 --> 00:53:36.965


Bunny, bugs, bunny and Tweety Bird.00:53:36.965 --> 00:53:37.789


That's wild.00:53:37.909 --> 00:53:39.724


Yeah, that is weird, I like that.00:53:40.568 --> 00:53:42.545


Well done, thank you Well.00:53:43.146 --> 00:53:46.389


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