Feb. 18, 2025

Pool of Villains: Theft of the Mona Lisa

Pool of Villains: Theft of the Mona Lisa
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Ever botched a brewery's name right in front of the brewer? We did, and it set the stage for a hilarious and heartwarming adventure at Cool City Brewing Company in Two Rivers, Wisconsin. Join us as we meet Ryan, the brewer, and his family, savoring their unexpected Berry Habanero Sour that challenges our palates in the best way possible. And seriously, if you're a pretzel aficionado, wait until you hear about their bar pretzel paired with beer cheese and mustard—let's just say we've found our carb soulmate. 

But our journey doesn't stop at hops and grains. We glide seamlessly into the world of art and history, kicking off with some iconic masterpieces like van Gogh's "Starry Night" and Klimt's "The Kiss." We untangle the enigma of the "Mona Lisa," sharing fun tidbits from 1911, the year she captured the world's imagination. Plus, we connect the dots from a listener's family tree to the historical Haymarket Affair. So, whether you're an art lover, a history buff, or just someone who enjoys a good beer and a laugh, there's a tapestry of stories waiting for you.


Stealing the Mona Lisa - Art Theft of the Century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYsPSL5XkV4

The Agency - How Much is the Mona Lisa Insured?

https://thagency.com/how-much-is-the-mona-lisa-insured/



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Chapters

00:21 - Brewery Visit and Beer Sampling

08:16 - Artistic Appreciation and Historical Context

13:12 - Genealogy and Historical Art Appreciation

Transcript
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Oh hey, there, Hold on.

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This doesn't sound right.

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I yelled, we're starting that over.

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I yelled that one and I could even hear it through yours.

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We're keeping that in.

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Oh, that was great.

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We both inhaled at the same time to say, oh, hey, there.

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Oh, hey there.

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Oh hey.

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All right, I got it, I got it.

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Yeah about that.

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Oh hey, all right, I got to.

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Yeah about that.

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I am Kate.

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And I am Bradley, and we are the History Buffoons.

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We sure the fuck are.

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We're definitely buffooning today, oh okay, don't sip yet, don't sip yet.

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Don't sip yet I know, can I not grab it?

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Yes, you can grab it, but don't sip it.

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but don't sip it, because it's completely open to us.

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Okay, so tell the folks tell the peeps tell the folks what we got going on here, cause we are carrying glasses at the moment.

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Yeah, so we have a.

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Well, I have a pint glass, you have a snow scene glass.

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So, kate, um, uh, was that two a week ago, two weeks ago, whatever Two weeks ago.

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Yeah, was that two a week ago?

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Two weeks ago, whatever two weeks ago?

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Yeah, we're looking for, um, some other things for our beer sampling and we like to try and mix it up and keep it kind of local if we can, because why not?

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She found one, so we went there today to pick up some beer to bring home and it's called cool city brewing company, not to be confused with Coal City, which just doesn't exist.

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Which is what I thought it was called.

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We were like search for.

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Coal City.

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There's no Coal City.

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Oh, it's because it's called.

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Cool City.

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That was pretty funny so we went there today.

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So it's a little brew pub in Two Rivers.

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Wisconsin.

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It's almost like a suburb of Manitowoc Manitowoc yeah.

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And across the street is Lake Michigan.

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It's really pretty.

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Yeah, all that, yeah, for the most well, maybe a little more than across the street, but yeah, no, that place was really cool.

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I really liked the place.

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Are you saying that Cool City Brewery is cool?

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It's cool.

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Cool, it's cool.

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Anyways.

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Okay, yes, I am saying Cool City Brewing Company is cool, it was pretty cool we got to talk to.

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We were there actually pretty early in the day so there wasn't a lot of people, which was kind of nice.

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Yeah, Because we got to talk to Ryan the brewer yes For the place.

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So that was nice to kind of chat with him for a little bit and, uh, that pretzel was delicious oh my god, yeah, we bought the pretzel with a beer cheese and a like mustard, dijon mustard type of dip isn't like stone ground.

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I don't know I could be wrong.

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I'm making shit up in my head, but but that was fucking delicious.

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It was.

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It was probably the best beer or bar pretzel I've ever had.

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Yeah, and uh, no, it was.

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It was really cool place we got to talk to, like I said, the brewer and the his wife was there working on stuff and their kids, their kids were running around had two, two little ones there.

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So that was.

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It was pretty cool.

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So, uh, we.

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He gave us a sample of this.

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Yes, and we're like we need to do this on the podcast.

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Okay, so he wrote it down on the crawler.

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Is that what it's called?

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Crawler yeah.

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Crawler.

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So it's like a growler but a can.

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Yeah, but it's the beach.

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Bear berry habanero sour.

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Berry habanero yeah, I am not a habanero.

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Yeah, I am not a habanero.

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Jalapeno, green pepper, red pepper, yellow pepper, chili pepper I'm not any of the peppers fans.

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It's just not something that I was ever really into.

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I don't like spice, really.

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You're also not much of a sour person either.

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I'm not, you don't mind them.

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And this is a little sour, it's a little spicy, and, goddamn, I asked to mind them.

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And this is a little sour, it's a little spicy, and goddamn, I asked to buy this.

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Yes, this was your choice, it was, which I am perfectly good with.

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So cheers, so cheers to you, it is.

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It is different.

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It is delicious and it is unique and there's a little spice right at the end but the front end is berry, it's, it's fantastic.

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I took a sip literally multiple seconds ago and I'm getting that heat on the back end.

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Still it's great, I really like it.

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I really like it as well so.

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I don't.

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I don't think I've ever had anything.

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I've had sours before.

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I like sours, but I don't go out of my way for them.

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I don't.

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I've never had one like this.

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And this is really delicious, super unique.

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I had to even buy a pint glass cause it was cool.

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Yeah.

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So what else did we?

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Do you remember what else we got in?

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So you got a four pack of something.

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Yeah, oh, that's right, I forgot about that.

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That was an IPA.

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An IPA.

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I got that, and I got another crowler oh, the Hells, hells, hellsner, hells, hellis Lager, hellis, yeah, hellis Lager.

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Which.

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You've tried a Hellis Lager on our podcast before.

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I think you'll like this one better, yeah, so oh my gosh.

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We got a flight today to kind of narrow down what we wanted to try today.

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Yeah.

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And this, this Barry Habanero, wasn't even part of our flight.

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He just gave us a little sample, which is great yeah yeah, and then um, so we had the sample, so we bought that, and then part of our four flight for um sample flight.

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Yeah, I bought the helles yep and then you chose something completely different and you got an.

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IPA.

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I got a pale ale and an IPA, and then you also got the Pilsner as well.

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Yeah, oh my gosh, I'm telling you it was a great vibe inside.

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It was.

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I liked that the brewer was really fun and entertaining and really knowledgeable.

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And engaging yeah.

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So that was nice yeah.

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And his wife was super engaging and their kids were funny yeah and um.

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Their beers are amazing and I want to go back.

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I want to go back there too.

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I definitely want to, uh, try some more of their food too, because they have like taco flights and stuff and they have the football flight oh my so.

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Football flight of 20 samples.

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They have 20 taps in this place.

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Yes.

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And so usually most people Al you know what I'm talking about when you get a flight, they usually have like a little board that they set each one and they write the number down.

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Yeah.

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They literally have a board with it was made out of.

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It looks like old pipes and they painted them, but they look like Fugles.

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On either side of the board On either side, and then it literally has a spot for every single tap they have, which is 20.

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Yes.

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And he said if you do the 20 flight, you get the pretzel for free.

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Which we didn't do because it was early.

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It was too early for a 20 thing flight, but that's pretty cool.

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Yeah, that was pretty cool.

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That thing flight, but that's pretty cool.

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Yeah, that was.

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That's pretty neat.

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I've not seen that before I've never seen that 20.

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A flight of 20 yeah, that's insane that's awesome.

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I've seen four.

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I was like we did today.

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I've seen five.

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I've seen six.

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I've seen a few.

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Yeah, um but never 20.

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No, so that was unique and actually like thinking back to the whole reason why.

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I know I like ipas and pale ales is like is my my go-to style is my dad and I did a flight in frisco, colorado, um, at this old brewery.

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I don't think it's there anymore, I think it, um, I think it's gone, but it's called, uh um, backcountry brewery, at least it was, if it's still there and I did, we did a flight there of that and I had sampled every one of his beers and I I'm like, ooh, I like that one.

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Have you ever thought of owning your own brewery, just in an offshoot fantasy, oh yeah.

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You have, have you thought?

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of what you would name your brewery.

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Oh no, I guess I never actually thought of a name.

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You never got that far.

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No, no, my, like my, I had aspirations of owning like a place like that where we were today, or multiple other places we can name a bunch but a nice restaurant with a brewery attached to it, I've, I've wanted to own that.

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Oh, and this place serves coffee.

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Like they're open at 6am and serve coffee as well.

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They have a drive-thru, which is wild.

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I know, I know it was a really cool place.

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Yeah, it's quite different.

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It'd be nice to go there when it's nicer weather out, because they have garage doors they open that looks like to a patio and stuff.

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So we'll have to definitely go back and then go back again and check it out, and again, and again.

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I could definitely see us visiting this place multiple times, because it was really cool.

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So I have a question for you what's visiting this place multiple times?

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Because it was really cool, so so I have a question for you.

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What's your question?

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We're kind of switching it from, like, the artistic beer making okay to actual works of art, oh yeah, so do you have any type of like style, specific works or artists that you you actually really really enjoy?

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like looking at my favorite piece of art is starry night by.

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I was a van gogh right yeah, that was van gogh um, that is very like.

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When I look at that it makes me like happy kind of oh really, yeah, I love, I love that piece of art and I've had I use it as a background on my computer in the past.

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I mean I just I really like, I like how it looks.

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So that's pretty cool.

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Yeah, that that would.

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That's my favorite piece of art that.

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I've ever, that I've ever seen.

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Yeah, is there anything else that, like you, kind of think of?

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Oh boy.

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Um, I mean, you always think of art and you go to you know like Mona Lisa and all that stuff.

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But I don't mind it, but I'd rather look at Starry Night, kind of thing.

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Do you want to?

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know what mine is.

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Yeah, of course I do.

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I really like the painting called the Kiss by Gustav Klimt.

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Okay.

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I'll kind of show you the picture here, if it comes up.

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I'm sure you've seen this I don't know if gustav klimt the, the kiss I don't know if I ever have it's all very yellow, very like patchwork, sure, um, but I I really enjoy the Kiss.

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Where is he from?

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Vienna, oh nice.

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Perhaps, perhaps that's potentially where he's from.

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Okay, we're not actually going to talk about Starry Night or the Kiss by Klimt.

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I kind of figured that um, we are actually, surprisingly enough, going to talk about the mona lisa oh, look at that yeah good thing I brought it up yeah, yeah.

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So so this, the mona lisa by uh da vinci da vinci, leonardo da vinci, it's a piece of artwork, that artwork that is considered the most known, the most visited, the most written about, the most duplicated painting in the world.

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Yeah, I mean, there's literally a movie called Mona Lisa Smile.

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It's with Julia Roberts.

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Yeah, it's a great movie.

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Is it?

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I've never seen it.

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It is, I like it.

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And there's some really great like 1950s ish um music in it, which I also really like okay, yeah, excellent.

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So we're not going to talk about, like, quite just the painting.

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We're actually going to talk about a period in time okay when the mona lisa actually shot to fame.

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Sure, okay, so I'm going to give a kind of a brief background on the painting and then we're going to jump to the year 1911.

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Ooh, okay.

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Did you know that we keep bringing up 1911?

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No, so yeah, tell me 1911, if I'm not mistaken, that's the year Baba Venga was born.

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Wow, I don't remember any of that.

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And it's also because during that episode I said, oh, it's the same year Reagan was born, was it?

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Yeah, so it's funny how 1911 apparently has popped up a couple times in our podcast.

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In our short podcast life.

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Just like Illinois.

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This doesn't take place in Illinois does it?

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It does not, Thank goodness.

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It takes place in France and in Italy.

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I know, okay, not, thank goodness.

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It takes place in france and in italy, I know, okay, so so the whole purpose of this podcast was for me to remember shit, and I don't remember that, and speaking of that, uh, I'm gonna set my mouth on fire with another drink while you speak uh, we gotta shout out, uh, uh, our friend Tara.

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Oh, yes, okay, Hold please.

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Cause I gotta go like look up the story now.

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That's okay, that was in Haymarket, that back end.

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Yes, it's.

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I liked the little burn it's got.

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It's really, really subtle.

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It's subtle, but I can feel it, I know, and it it's really really subtle.

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It's subtle, but I can feel it, I know, and it almost like builds, as you're like just kind of talking and sitting here.

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I really enjoy it.

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But yeah, we wanted to make sure we did this before we forget.

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Okay, so our friend Tara, so she listened to our episode on the Haymarket Affair.

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Yep it was called Antichrist and I'd like to reiterate it's because of the slip of the tongue on your part saying anarchist, I was supposed to say anarchist and I said Antichrist, anyways.

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Anyway.

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So she texted me in the middle of her listening to the episode and she said so, you talked about Governor Oglesby.

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Yeah, that is my great, great, great grandfather which is just wild.

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It's like holy shit, that is so funny so.

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So, governor oglesby, yeah, I'm sorry.

00:14:01.986 --> 00:14:02.847
However, it's pronounced.

00:14:02.868 --> 00:14:21.489
We apologize so he was the one that decided whether the um, the men who was a, who were arrested for the quote-unquote riot and the bombing um of the labor union rallies, right, he was the one that decided whether they would live or die.

00:14:21.668 --> 00:14:27.176
Essentially, exactly yeah, so, um, so that's who he was, um he.

00:14:27.176 --> 00:14:39.111
He was, um the one that remember what it was like to be an abolitionist yep, but then realized that the laws were really strict and other abolitionists could have been hanged too.

00:14:39.111 --> 00:14:45.893
So in the end, he ended up pardoning a couple of the men who were arrested that were still alive in prison.

00:14:46.072 --> 00:14:46.332
Yes.

00:14:46.573 --> 00:14:49.885
Yes, so that was him, and so that was pretty awesome yeah.

00:14:51.139 --> 00:14:59.447
So it's kind of cool that we have a kind of a personal tie to even a story that we did, that we had no idea, obviously, and it's just like oh hey, that was my.

00:14:59.447 --> 00:15:02.480
How many greats, Great, great, great grandfather Is that?

00:15:02.500 --> 00:15:02.880
what she said.

00:15:02.880 --> 00:15:23.894
So, either way, yeah, I'm sorry if tara, if we got that wrong but yeah um, that's pretty fantastic yeah, yeah I just like the the little bit personal touch yes, and thank you, tara, for for telling us, because that's pretty cool yeah, and because obviously we had no idea so that's pretty awesome yeah, it just happened to be in an episode of something that we talked about, so anyways all right back to the mona lisa

00:15:23.955 --> 00:15:26.523
yeah okay, so the mona lisa was painted by leonardo da vinci.

00:15:26.523 --> 00:15:30.416
Yes, and it was around the years 1503 to 1506.

00:15:30.416 --> 00:15:38.442
It actually took him a really long time to quote unquote finish this painting, okay and wasn't this more like a self-portrait that he then altered?

00:15:38.442 --> 00:15:46.913
No, oh no, so this painting was actually of a sitter named Lisa Del Giocondo.

00:15:47.414 --> 00:15:47.655
Okay.

00:15:47.740 --> 00:15:49.225
So she was an actual person.

00:15:49.225 --> 00:15:52.384
Oh, lisa Del Giocondo, she was born.

00:15:52.423 --> 00:15:54.149
Lisa, oh, lisa, yeah, I know her.

00:15:55.681 --> 00:16:00.197
She was born Lisa Garadini on June 15th 1479.

00:16:00.197 --> 00:16:00.739
That's wild.

00:16:00.739 --> 00:16:04.863
She was an Italian noblewoman from Florence and Tuscany.

00:16:05.062 --> 00:16:06.884
She was born 500 years before me.

00:16:06.884 --> 00:16:07.365
Yes, that's fucking wild.

00:16:07.365 --> 00:16:08.525
She was an Italian noblewoman from Florence and Tuscany.

00:16:08.525 --> 00:16:09.407
She was born 500 years before me.

00:16:09.427 --> 00:16:09.886
Yes, that's fucking wild.

00:16:09.886 --> 00:16:12.249
And her life was actually relatively ordinary.

00:16:12.249 --> 00:16:17.773
Okay Okay, she married a cloth and silk merchant in her teens.

00:16:17.773 --> 00:16:31.311
She had six children and she lived a relatively comfortable life Okay, children and she lived a relatively comfortable life, okay, um, and despite her unremarkable life, her legacy was obviously secured with this commissioned painting.

00:16:31.311 --> 00:16:58.402
It was commissioned by her husband oh really yes I didn't realize that was ever directly to leonardo da vinci I didn't realize that was ever a commission piece yes, yes that's wild so back then leonardo da vinci's um lack of income around the spring of 1503, may have like contributed to his interest in painting this private portrait okay um so the work.

00:16:58.501 --> 00:17:23.059
However, while he was in the middle of painting it, he was interrupted um and actually commissioned to paint the battle of anghiari, and it was contractually obligated for him to complete it by february 1505 so this is the painting of the battle of anghiari I've seen that before can you describe it briefly?

00:17:23.661 --> 00:17:30.013
I mean it's hard from how far away I am, but it looks like a lot of horses and people riding them.

00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:35.209
And colors like there's a lot of reds Very vibrant, nice mix of colors.

00:17:35.441 --> 00:17:36.659
I think I've seen that painting before.

00:17:36.659 --> 00:17:38.907
At least it looks familiar, maybe not.

00:17:39.580 --> 00:17:43.872
So lots of reds horses and they're all kind of like intermixed and fighting each other.

00:17:43.872 --> 00:17:45.883
So that was the Battle.

00:17:45.923 --> 00:17:54.045
Battle of anghiari and he was contractually obligated to finish that by 1505 1505, yes, so by 1506.

00:17:54.806 --> 00:18:11.865
Leonardo still considered the mona lisa painting to be unfinished, so, like many, many years, okay, okay, so he actually never received payment for the portrait and he never delivered it to the husband who commissioned it.

00:18:11.865 --> 00:18:18.320
Wow, yeah, so it was just me saying, hey, I want this done, can you do this for me?

00:18:18.320 --> 00:18:23.868
You say yes, and then it just never exchanged hands in any way okay um.

00:18:23.868 --> 00:18:33.230
So he kept the painting with him throughout his life, and he potentially finished it later in france, around 1516.

00:18:33.770 --> 00:18:42.101
Oh wow, so that's just according to some estimates like it's not quite it's not known for sure yeah, but that's a guesstimate of when he probably did that.

00:18:42.182 --> 00:18:49.515
Yes, okay, gotcha so the title of the painting translates to my Lady Lisa.

00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:51.005
My Lady Lisa.

00:18:51.559 --> 00:19:01.941
Mona is technically spelled with two Ns M-O-N-N-A, really Mm-hmm, and that is part of the Italian writing of Mona.

00:19:01.941 --> 00:19:04.403
Oh, but there's another Italian name for the painting.

00:19:04.403 --> 00:19:05.604
Okay, and that is part of the Italian writing of Mona.

00:19:05.604 --> 00:19:09.406
Oh, but there's another Italian name for the painting.

00:19:09.406 --> 00:19:18.074
Okay, it's called La Gioconda, which means jocund, or jocund, which means happy or jovial.

00:19:18.074 --> 00:19:20.856
Oh, or literally the jovial one.

00:19:21.116 --> 00:19:21.317
Okay.

00:19:21.356 --> 00:19:21.676
Okay.

00:19:21.676 --> 00:19:30.605
In French, the title is La Gioconda or La Gioconda Okay, which has the same meaning.

00:19:30.605 --> 00:19:38.089
Okay, sure, so when people are talking about the Mona Lisa in English, it's Mona Lisa in French is La Gioconda, in Italian it's La Gioconda.

00:19:38.089 --> 00:19:42.785
So you said it has part of me with my like verbiage and yeah, that's okay.

00:19:42.825 --> 00:19:44.287
Yeah, so is.

00:19:44.287 --> 00:19:47.092
So is um.

00:19:47.092 --> 00:19:51.163
I've only ever seen it with one n yes, because that's the english version.

00:19:51.224 --> 00:20:06.595
That's the english way, oh so okay, so the french and so there was an italian mona lisa right m-o-nN-A, but they traditionally kind of call it the La Gioconda.

00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:08.603
So that's the name.

00:20:08.603 --> 00:20:10.670
They refer to it as yes, okay.

00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:14.488
And we call it the English, call it the Mona Lisa Gotcha.

00:20:14.508 --> 00:20:16.392
Yes, okay, okay, that makes more sense.

00:20:16.633 --> 00:20:21.246
Okay, so the painting was kept at the Palace of Fontainebleau, fontainebleau.

00:20:21.365 --> 00:20:21.905
Fontainebleau.

00:20:21.926 --> 00:20:23.387
Fontainebleau, fontainebleau, bleh.

00:20:23.909 --> 00:20:24.329
Until.

00:20:24.650 --> 00:20:27.554
Louis XIV moved it to the Palace of Versailles.

00:20:27.753 --> 00:20:28.034
Okay.

00:20:28.474 --> 00:20:30.637
Or remained until the French Revolution.

00:20:31.057 --> 00:20:31.378
Okay, wow.

00:20:31.681 --> 00:20:35.108
And then in 1797, it went on permanent display at the Louvre.

00:20:36.551 --> 00:20:36.972
The Louvre.

00:20:38.082 --> 00:20:40.824
The English say Louvre, the Italians say the Louvre.

00:20:41.023 --> 00:20:41.385
What are you?

00:20:42.268 --> 00:20:42.469
I am.

00:20:42.548 --> 00:20:42.950
English.

00:20:42.950 --> 00:20:44.502
Okay, say it the English way.

00:20:44.743 --> 00:20:47.432
But I'm fancy Louvre, but I'm fancy.

00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:49.266
Well, are you, though?

00:20:49.266 --> 00:20:51.246
I mean, who are we kidding?

00:20:51.246 --> 00:20:54.042
I thought this was about history and not lies.

00:20:54.042 --> 00:20:56.207
Fuck off, drink more.

00:20:56.207 --> 00:20:57.750
Okay, twist my habanero Okay.

00:21:00.980 --> 00:21:03.611
So now we're going to jump to 1911, right.

00:21:03.631 --> 00:21:03.893
Yes.

00:21:04.073 --> 00:21:09.327
The Louvre Right Fancy Was not popular.

00:21:10.269 --> 00:21:17.864
No, I always liked the line in the Da Vinci Code movie.

00:21:17.864 --> 00:21:19.026
I'm trying to blank on the guy's name.

00:21:19.026 --> 00:21:20.367
Really a good actor.

00:21:20.367 --> 00:21:20.788
I like him.

00:21:20.788 --> 00:21:21.569
He's French.

00:21:21.789 --> 00:21:22.892
The French guy yeah.

00:21:23.051 --> 00:21:24.335
Yeah, he was.

00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:26.840
He's great.

00:21:26.881 --> 00:21:29.011
I'm sad that I don't know his name either, but he's so sad that I can't remember his name.

00:21:29.011 --> 00:21:30.260
I know because he's from godzilla.

00:21:30.260 --> 00:21:36.281
He's from the movie godzilla with matthew broderick yes, I saw that in the theater matthew broderick reminds me of my dad.

00:21:36.281 --> 00:21:37.503
For some reason I'm not sure why.

00:21:37.503 --> 00:21:41.470
Yeah, okay, fair enough, um, anyways.

00:21:41.470 --> 00:21:43.392
So I'm gonna get the line.

00:21:43.392 --> 00:21:43.972
It's not.

00:21:43.972 --> 00:21:45.935
I won't say a word for it, I'm just drawing a blank.

00:21:46.241 --> 00:21:54.720
I know how it's actually said, but he's like because they have the big pyramid at the louis yes and he's like a stain on the face of paris or whatever he says, like a plague on the face of paris.

00:21:54.740 --> 00:21:59.580
Yeah, it's like oh man, how much do you hate this place it was just I think it was just the pyramid.

00:21:59.621 --> 00:22:14.136
They they didn't like the modern look of the pyramid, which I can understand yeah, okay, anyway that was fiction, okay so 1911 the loop was not popular, okay, and there was no fee to get in either.

00:22:14.136 --> 00:22:25.730
Oh really, yeah, oh wow, and security was fairly lacking oh, so are we talking about when it got stolen we're talking about when the mona lisa got stolen, because I are talking about when the Mona Lisa got stolen Cause I knew that happened.

00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:27.948
I was going to mention it before, I just didn't get around to it.

00:22:27.968 --> 00:22:37.968
Yes, so the guards were generally like pensioners or retired soldiers who had a reputation for falling asleep while on the job.

00:22:37.968 --> 00:22:39.050
God Wow.

00:22:39.191 --> 00:22:39.592
Yeah, okay.

00:22:40.260 --> 00:22:45.273
And the Mona Lisa was displayed with other paintings of the Italian Renaissance period.

00:22:45.537 --> 00:22:45.719
Sure.

00:22:46.161 --> 00:22:47.442
And actually in the building.

00:22:47.442 --> 00:22:53.073
Many other paintings were worth twice as much as the Mona Lisa at this time.

00:22:53.192 --> 00:22:53.473
Right.

00:22:53.733 --> 00:23:09.605
Yeah, so it was also really common in that area for art academies to go to the Louvre, as students were expected to regularly visit paintings and then actually copy their works to learn from these works.

00:23:09.625 --> 00:23:10.288
That makes sense.

00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:18.567
So they would like bring in their easels and their paints and their paintbrushes and set up shop in front of these like masterpieces.

00:23:18.848 --> 00:23:19.269
That's wild.

00:23:19.269 --> 00:23:21.144
Could you imagine like back?

00:23:21.183 --> 00:23:24.813
in that time frame, like 1900s, early 1900s.

00:23:24.833 --> 00:23:37.429
Like well, I'm gonna go copy whatever painting I'm gonna go copy dogs playing cards I'm pretty sure that was out in 1911 actually, yeah, um I guess it would be dogs playing poker.

00:23:37.429 --> 00:23:45.146
But yeah, yes but uh, like yeah, just setting up your reason, like all right, you know, it's just that I couldn't even.

00:23:45.146 --> 00:23:49.194
I wish I was more artistic that way Same.

00:23:49.194 --> 00:23:52.747
You're pretty creative, though you do come up with some cool stuff.

00:23:52.747 --> 00:23:54.826
I am not that way at all.

00:23:56.141 --> 00:23:58.977
You're creative in how you edit our podcast.

00:23:58.977 --> 00:23:59.559
Oh thanks.

00:24:00.565 --> 00:24:03.848
That means a lot, jesus Christ, all right.

00:24:03.929 --> 00:24:07.750
Okay, so there was also the development of photography.

00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:13.011
Yes, so artists had this new tool of studying and documenting these artworks through photography.

00:24:13.011 --> 00:24:23.829
So, while painting from the original was still considered valuable, photography allowed artists to capture details and compositions more easily.

00:24:23.829 --> 00:24:29.646
Sure, and potentially reducing the need for to spend long hours in these galleries with an easel.

00:24:29.646 --> 00:24:31.270
Right, nice, yeah, okay.

00:24:31.270 --> 00:24:42.931
So august 21st 1911 was a monday it was okay yes, it was a monday, and that is that is important, because, oh the because the Louvre was closed this day.

00:24:42.931 --> 00:24:48.035
Oh yes, habanera.

00:24:49.963 --> 00:24:51.147
Habanera, oh dear.

00:24:53.986 --> 00:24:54.709
That's staying in.

00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:56.780
Wow, that's habanera.

00:24:56.780 --> 00:25:03.508
I don't know if you noticed this, but a lot of times when you burp on the podcast, I specifically leave those in because they're funny to me.

00:25:03.508 --> 00:25:04.009
Oh yeah, I've noticed.

00:25:04.009 --> 00:25:05.210
Okay, good, I don't think in because they're funny to me.

00:25:05.210 --> 00:25:05.651
Oh yeah, I've noticed.

00:25:05.671 --> 00:25:08.233
Okay, good, I don't think Al needs to hear my burps.

00:25:08.233 --> 00:25:14.875
Well, I mean, nobody needs to hear your burps, I'm sure my mom misses them.

00:25:14.914 --> 00:25:16.443
Okay, there you go, Mom.

00:25:16.443 --> 00:25:17.848
So this Monday, the Louvre was closed.

00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:21.413
There was only a skeleton crew working, so do you have?

00:25:21.955 --> 00:25:23.823
Do you have, a reason why they were closed?

00:25:23.823 --> 00:25:26.815
Are they just closed on Mondays, or was there a specific reason why they were closed?

00:25:26.875 --> 00:25:28.405
I think they were just closed on Mondays.

00:25:28.405 --> 00:25:29.111
Okay, yeah.

00:25:29.231 --> 00:25:32.344
I was curious Cause like why yeah, yeah, okay?

00:25:32.875 --> 00:25:39.315
So the museum's maintenance director would make a daily round throughout the gallery.

00:25:39.315 --> 00:25:46.627
So his early morning rounds was approximately seven, seven, 15, seven, 30, somewhere around there.

00:25:47.068 --> 00:25:48.457
Okay 730,.

00:25:48.477 --> 00:25:50.002
He's like walking through these galleries.

00:25:50.002 --> 00:25:54.644
Everything seems in tip-top form, everything is exactly how it should be.

00:25:54.644 --> 00:25:59.865
Yep, he walked through the galleries and saw Mona Lisa hanging on the wall.

00:26:00.066 --> 00:26:01.087
Okay, it is there.

00:26:01.087 --> 00:26:03.279
So this is at 730?

00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:03.279
.

00:26:03.580 --> 00:26:04.002
In the morning.

00:26:04.002 --> 00:26:06.777
Okay, it's there on the wall 830,.

00:26:06.777 --> 00:26:08.001
He comes back.

00:26:08.001 --> 00:26:12.079
Mona Lisa is gone An hour later and it was gone.

00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:12.883
It was gone.

00:26:12.883 --> 00:26:13.625
Holy shit.

00:26:13.625 --> 00:26:15.280
All that was left on these walls.

00:26:15.280 --> 00:26:23.261
And this Mona Lisa is surrounded by other paintings at this time Right, so it's just like a blank spot on a wall full of paintings.

00:26:23.281 --> 00:26:27.829
So very noticeable, and this is obviously well before security cameras and shit like that, exactly.

00:26:28.355 --> 00:26:31.403
All that was left on the wall were four iron hooks.

00:26:31.403 --> 00:26:36.484
Okay, wow, and iron hooks comes into play a little bit later, oh it does Okay.

00:26:36.484 --> 00:26:43.608
So immediately the maintenance director was like that's weird.

00:26:43.608 --> 00:26:44.953
No, it's not weird.

00:26:44.953 --> 00:26:50.688
Actually it's either being photographed or cleaned, or cleaned or repaired.

00:26:50.688 --> 00:26:52.540
He thought nothing of it.

00:26:53.015 --> 00:26:55.342
So he just like shrugged his shoulders and kept on walking.

00:26:55.342 --> 00:26:56.865
Exactly, what a fucking idiot.

00:26:56.865 --> 00:27:00.384
It was just another day in the Louvre, I mean.

00:27:00.384 --> 00:27:04.260
I guess I can see why his mind would go there, that's what was standard.

00:27:04.260 --> 00:27:07.917
Yeah, so why would he question it?

00:27:07.917 --> 00:27:08.259
But I don't know.

00:27:08.259 --> 00:27:17.259
It seems like you should have a little more track and like hey, this is getting clean this day, blah, blah, blah exactly or whatever the case might be, whatever the case, yeah because why would it be photographed?

00:27:17.661 --> 00:27:21.997
closed that day but that would be the time when it would be, wouldn't you think?

00:27:22.337 --> 00:27:24.442
I mean, I could see the louvre is closed.

00:27:24.442 --> 00:27:41.140
This is the time to take the photographs, or this is the time to take the paintings off the wall and photograph it or repair it or clean it before the public comes I can understand the repairing, the cleaning on the day off, but I guess it depends on who's you know photographing it they would probably need a dark room at this time, like yeah.

00:27:41.140 --> 00:27:44.863
Wow, that's an hour later and it was gone yeah.

00:27:45.323 --> 00:27:53.431
Yeah, so it was missing for 24 hours One day.

00:27:54.070 --> 00:27:55.592
Yes, okay.

00:27:57.176 --> 00:27:58.663
Until it was reported missing.

00:28:00.076 --> 00:28:05.406
Oh, so it was gone for 24 hours and you're like, hey, we can't find this fucking painting.

00:28:05.406 --> 00:28:06.169
Yes.

00:28:06.829 --> 00:28:20.424
Oh, wow, so a local artist of the time yeah, I didn't write his name down because it's really not necessary, but he was fairly popular in recreating famous paintings and selling them, sure, as recreations.

00:28:20.424 --> 00:28:26.742
Okay, so he came into the gallery on that tuesday to paint the mona lisa hey.

00:28:26.742 --> 00:28:29.749
Yeah, he's like where the heck is it?

00:28:29.749 --> 00:28:33.104
I want to paint this and sell it to my tourist.

00:28:33.223 --> 00:28:33.926
Right yeah.

00:28:34.996 --> 00:28:43.179
And so he's like, okay, like he had his easel and he had his paints, and he's like I just came to a blink wall Like where the heck is this Mona Lisa Right?

00:28:43.179 --> 00:28:48.144
So he goes to a snoozing security guard, oh my God.

00:28:48.474 --> 00:28:53.462
And hey, hey, I'm sorry to wake you on your job.

00:28:53.682 --> 00:28:54.685
Where's the painting?

00:28:54.685 --> 00:28:56.117
Is it like?

00:28:56.117 --> 00:28:57.021
Where is it?

00:28:57.102 --> 00:28:57.865
When's it coming back?

00:28:58.134 --> 00:29:07.040
And the guard went to the photographer's studio in the museum and they're all like IDK, I don't know, we don't have it.

00:29:07.040 --> 00:29:09.192
And they're all like idk, I don't know, we don't have it.

00:29:09.212 --> 00:29:18.523
And they're all like um, george, have you seen it?

00:29:18.523 --> 00:29:21.346
No, bill, I have no idea where it is.

00:29:21.346 --> 00:29:23.990
What the hell wow?

00:29:24.230 --> 00:29:27.865
so they set up the alarms about time, do they just?

00:29:27.945 --> 00:29:28.287
start going.

00:29:28.287 --> 00:29:28.829
What the hell?

00:29:28.849 --> 00:29:29.954
Wow so they set up the alarms Bell time.

00:29:31.278 --> 00:29:33.464
Did they just start going wee, wee, wee Anyways?

00:29:33.484 --> 00:29:38.229
Okay, so then we have Deputy Director George.

00:29:38.249 --> 00:29:45.176
Benedict, one more time I was trying to be Italian.

00:29:45.176 --> 00:29:45.656
Did it work?

00:29:45.678 --> 00:29:47.038
No, George Italian Did it work?

00:29:47.038 --> 00:29:50.098
No, george Benedict.

00:29:50.118 --> 00:29:51.619
Did he work at the Louvre?

00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:55.080
So George Benedict was notified of the missing painting.

00:29:55.080 --> 00:30:04.625
With him and the skeleton crew they went through floor by floor, room by room, searching for this painting.

00:30:04.884 --> 00:30:06.605
How many floors are in the Louvre?

00:30:06.605 --> 00:30:06.925
Do you know?

00:30:07.185 --> 00:30:07.865
I actually don't.

00:30:08.507 --> 00:30:08.727
Okay.

00:30:08.787 --> 00:30:15.328
The Louvre has been added on throughout the years so many times it's been expanded a lot.

00:30:15.388 --> 00:30:16.730
Yeah, A lot.

00:30:16.730 --> 00:30:16.869
Okay.

00:30:17.109 --> 00:30:17.309
Like.

00:30:17.309 --> 00:30:20.050
It is impressive how much the Louvre has expanded.

00:30:20.050 --> 00:30:24.853
It used to be a palace, it was an office, it was-.

00:30:25.073 --> 00:30:26.034
Really yes, oh wow.

00:30:26.034 --> 00:30:28.275
It was a whole bunch of things I don't remember.

00:30:28.275 --> 00:30:30.522
I know Sarah went to Europe.

00:30:30.522 --> 00:30:34.705
Was it her senior year, shit?

00:30:34.705 --> 00:30:35.207
I don't remember.

00:30:35.207 --> 00:30:39.994
No, I might be getting these details wrong, but I know she went to a few different places.

00:30:39.994 --> 00:30:41.582
I think she went there.

00:30:41.582 --> 00:30:43.980
I believe I'll have to ask her again.

00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:48.382
I'm drawing a blank and might be getting this wrong, but I'm almost positive she went to the Louvre.

00:30:48.382 --> 00:30:51.759
So every time I think of the Louvre, I just think of Eurotrip.

00:30:51.778 --> 00:30:55.265
Eurotrip Error, error Error.

00:30:55.265 --> 00:30:56.988
If you know.

00:30:56.988 --> 00:30:58.210
You know Robot fight.

00:30:58.210 --> 00:31:07.730
Okay, so this painting is perhaps hidden somewhere, or it was just never put back after cleaning for some weird reason?

00:31:07.730 --> 00:31:09.823
Yeah, because who would hide it, right?

00:31:09.823 --> 00:31:19.933
So several hours later, the deputy director actually found the frame that the painting was in and the glass protective casing that it was in.

00:31:19.933 --> 00:31:23.646
Right, it was found in the servant's staircase.

00:31:24.127 --> 00:31:24.650
Interesting.

00:31:24.951 --> 00:31:25.673
Interesting.

00:31:25.693 --> 00:31:27.233
Yeah, the plot thickens, and that's when it was confirmed.

00:31:27.116 --> 00:31:27.226
It was gone.

00:31:27.226 --> 00:31:27.516
Interesting, interesting.

00:31:27.516 --> 00:31:28.673
Yeah, the plot thickens, and that's when it was confirmed.

00:31:29.115 --> 00:31:30.017
It was gone the.

00:31:30.037 --> 00:31:32.220
Mona Lisa Was stolen.

00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:33.201
Was stolen.

00:31:33.301 --> 00:31:34.083
That's wild.

00:31:35.705 --> 00:31:36.988
And was it Okay?

00:31:36.988 --> 00:31:42.506
Oh, chris Frobo, you're going to get to this, I know, but I'm just going to ask the question out loud right now.

00:31:42.575 --> 00:31:43.619
Oh, you have a lot of faith in me.

00:31:48.375 --> 00:31:50.602
If you don't have this fucking detail, then what are we doing?

00:31:50.602 --> 00:31:52.547
How long was it gone for total?

00:31:52.667 --> 00:31:53.691
oh, I will tell you.

00:31:53.871 --> 00:31:58.880
Yes, I do have that information good, that was part of your research score for kate.

00:31:58.960 --> 00:31:59.740
Okay, about time.

00:31:59.740 --> 00:32:05.608
So at this time, mona lisa, mona Lisa, her fame skyrockets.

00:32:05.950 --> 00:32:06.830
Because it was missing.

00:32:07.075 --> 00:32:11.819
And her like the insurance on her.

00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:22.571
The pricelessness of her, the cultural impact, the historical impact that we know of her, of this painting, was because of this moment in history.

00:32:22.654 --> 00:32:39.616
That's wild because, like, obviously we've come long after this, so like to us always been always been popular, super famous, it's like yeah if not the most, one of the most popular paintings in the world yes, and it is because of this that's crazy okay I guess I never really realized that.

00:32:39.616 --> 00:32:41.540
I know, I knew it was stolen.

00:32:41.540 --> 00:32:45.916
Yes, I've known this again, not the details, but I knew of this story.

00:32:45.916 --> 00:32:51.327
But the fact that this actually skyrocketed its popularity is just wild.

00:32:51.327 --> 00:32:56.243
Yes, so all right, continue, yeah.

00:32:57.586 --> 00:32:58.509
So that's gross.

00:32:58.509 --> 00:32:59.719
The theft is what made this.

00:32:59.719 --> 00:33:00.643
I'm so sorry.

00:33:00.643 --> 00:33:03.364
I need you to burp at least one of these times on this podcast.

00:33:03.364 --> 00:33:04.598
Okay, how often do I burp?

00:33:04.598 --> 00:33:05.702
I don't know.

00:33:05.702 --> 00:33:06.452
Jesus Christ, it's a bur.

00:33:06.452 --> 00:33:07.003
At least one of these times on this podcast.

00:33:06.958 --> 00:33:07.396
How often do I burp?

00:33:07.396 --> 00:33:07.622
I don't know.

00:33:10.579 --> 00:33:11.403
It's a burp epidemic.

00:33:11.403 --> 00:33:13.126
I'm sorry, beer seriously makes me burp.

00:33:15.835 --> 00:33:19.960
I think different styles like this type, like a sour is certainly affecting you a lot more, I don't know.

00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:22.339
Talk to me when I'm having Medela, because I don't agree.

00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:23.041
Go grab one.

00:33:25.897 --> 00:33:31.057
The museum called one person the chief inspector lewis lapine.

00:33:31.057 --> 00:33:31.738
Who's that?

00:33:31.738 --> 00:33:35.403
He is the prefect of police in france.

00:33:35.403 --> 00:33:40.317
He is the sherlock holmes at this time.

00:33:40.317 --> 00:33:47.029
Okay, he has an ironclad reputation gotcha, gotcha Reputation Okay.

00:33:47.029 --> 00:33:52.300
He is very famous, he is very good, he is very just.

00:33:52.300 --> 00:33:54.125
He's Sherlock Holmes, okay, okay.

00:33:54.507 --> 00:33:56.099
Sure, he's that Sherlock Holmes.

00:33:56.394 --> 00:34:00.904
He came to the Louvre with a team of 60 policemen.

00:34:01.645 --> 00:34:02.749
Holy balls Really.

00:34:03.695 --> 00:34:09.427
This is considered an insult to the french.

00:34:09.427 --> 00:34:10.108
Why?

00:34:10.108 --> 00:34:13.114
Because this is the.

00:34:13.114 --> 00:34:17.003
The mona lisa is theirs at this point oh, sure it belongs in the louvre.

00:34:17.063 --> 00:34:20.396
It is now a disgrace yeah, because like, where the fuck is it?

00:34:20.396 --> 00:34:21.940
Yes, it is a disgrace.

00:34:22.822 --> 00:34:27.492
So lapine also wasn't the only one that knew what happened.

00:34:27.492 --> 00:34:39.525
The theft was already making headlings in all the newspapers including in the the americas okay, so telegrams radios it spread, quickly it spread quickly for the time

00:34:39.585 --> 00:34:44.699
sure yes, it traveled around the world in a matter of hours, which is now in a matter of seconds, right?

00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:47.846
Like now would be seconds back then it was a matter of hours, right?

00:34:47.846 --> 00:34:57.811
So one of the funniest things was the washington post printed a picture of the stolen painting, but it wasn't the right painting.

00:34:57.811 --> 00:35:03.322
No, they printed something else entirely, thinking that was the mona lisa.

00:35:03.762 --> 00:35:09.059
That is how unknown this painting was that's wild to think about.

00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:19.302
Yes, you mentioned to anybody my son might not know because he's six, but anybody of a certain age they know exactly what you're talking about.

00:35:19.302 --> 00:35:22.423
Yes, the fact that it was so unknown.

00:35:23.197 --> 00:35:27.746
The Washington Post printed a completely different kind of painting.

00:35:28.086 --> 00:35:30.539
Wow isn't that crazy, that is crazy.

00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:37.844
Yeah, that's kind of funny so one of the biggest things that lapine had to figure out was when exactly the painting was stolen.

00:35:37.885 --> 00:35:43.157
So they kind of narrowed it down right, I mean they probably focus on that hour exactly.

00:35:43.177 --> 00:35:57.534
the guy went by he actually interviewed the entire staff just to see who was the last one to witness it on the walls, which he understood was the maintenance director, right, and he said that he saw the paintings during his rounds at around 730.

00:35:57.534 --> 00:36:02.489
Yep, and then at 835, a little bit more specific 835, he noticed the picture was gone Right.

00:36:02.489 --> 00:36:05.483
So Lopin now knows that time frame.

00:36:05.603 --> 00:36:21.405
Yep, that hour time frame is one on one missing yes, now another person shows up to be interviewed a plumber so he sees a man in a stairwell it wasn't said what stairwell, just in a stairwell next to a locked door.

00:36:21.405 --> 00:36:24.722
He was like sitting on the steps next to a locked door.

00:36:24.722 --> 00:36:38.561
Sure and this was coincidentally the same stairwell where the frame and the um glass casing I kind of figured that might be the case so the plumber notices the doorknob of this door was missing.

00:36:39.322 --> 00:36:40.806
Oh, but it was still locked.

00:36:40.806 --> 00:36:45.581
So the doorknob and the log are two separate entities, right, yeah, correct like a deadbolt and a handle.

00:36:45.581 --> 00:36:52.534
Yeah, yeah so the plumber asked the man sitting in the stairs like do you know what's going on here?

00:36:52.534 --> 00:36:55.061
Are we missing a doorknob?

00:36:55.965 --> 00:37:19.956
and the man was like I have no idea, I just got here myself, I don't know what's going on right so the plumber who had keys to this building took out his keys, he unlocked the door, walked through this exit and then relocked it after him interesting okay, so man is still in the staircase at this point okay, okay he did not follow the guy through, right?

00:37:19.956 --> 00:37:27.385
Okay, so with this information, lapine now has to find like who this man is, right?

00:37:28.967 --> 00:37:30.128
a lead a lead.

00:37:30.989 --> 00:37:40.797
Um, it's really still not a lot to go on witness testimony is not reliable at all never is especially if you talk to me well, you forget everything.

00:37:40.797 --> 00:37:47.001
So but after, even after 24 hours, the plumber really couldn't give any kind of indication of what this man looked like.

00:37:47.795 --> 00:37:49.001
He was just another staff member.

00:37:49.001 --> 00:37:53.246
Yeah, because at that point I saw a person, that's literally all it is.

00:37:53.246 --> 00:37:55.422
I can't tell you his eye color, his hair color, whatever.

00:37:55.574 --> 00:37:58.405
No, I wasn't paying that close attention, because why would I need to?

00:37:58.695 --> 00:37:59.699
You didn't need to at the time.

00:38:00.416 --> 00:38:13.773
So, lapine, he's a man of science, he's forward thinking, he's a pioneer, he's a pioneer, he is one of the first policemen in the world to use fingerprinting as a means of identification.

00:38:13.793 --> 00:38:14.195
Okay, isn't that cool?

00:38:14.195 --> 00:38:27.788
Yeah, because that's really when it started getting kind of popular yes and realize that it could be a actual thing of, yes, importance so lapina's like okay, this is new this this thief is gonna be an idiot.

00:38:27.847 --> 00:38:28.489
He's foolish.

00:38:28.489 --> 00:38:32.108
He doesn't know what it takes to not leave fingerprints behind.

00:38:32.108 --> 00:38:33.355
He doesn't know he needs to wear gloves.

00:38:33.836 --> 00:38:39.077
He's got to leave behind fingerprints well, because most people didn't realize that because it was such a new technology.

00:38:39.197 --> 00:38:41.701
Yeah, so dun dun, dun.

00:38:41.701 --> 00:38:44.123
He left a fingerprint.

00:38:44.123 --> 00:38:47.768
He left a fingerprint behind on the glass casing.

00:38:47.768 --> 00:39:03.425
Okay, okay, but they don't know which finger oh yeah, so it could have been a the science wasn't that sophisticated, yeah well, I mean it was, it was in production.

00:39:03.505 --> 00:39:44.661
So they had all these like criminal identity cards with all fingerprints and I think there was like 750 000 cards, god, and they tried to go through each and every one to figure out if this single fingerprint matched any of the 10 fingerprints per card and and that's the thing, because back then, like today, they feed it through a computer and it can pick the points they literally had to, like what a little magnifying yes, glass cup thing that they used to put on them to look at it yes they would have to match it by eye and like that takes fucking.

00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:46.043
And that's not even accurate.

00:39:46.402 --> 00:39:50.708
No, because that's literally just yep, that looks right, yep, yep.

00:39:50.768 --> 00:39:50.869
Wow.

00:39:50.869 --> 00:40:02.693
So Lapine the Greatest noticed that the painting had been taken out of the frame very delicately, Sure, and he's like it must have been someone who knew how to do that properly.

00:40:03.054 --> 00:40:03.175
Right.

00:40:03.235 --> 00:40:04.603
Without causing any damage.

00:40:04.635 --> 00:40:06.784
Well, because there was care taken in it?

00:40:06.804 --> 00:40:07.958
yes, there was it wasn't.

00:40:08.259 --> 00:40:10.146
Uh, I'm gonna steal that and just rip it out.

00:40:10.347 --> 00:40:20.175
Exactly, they wanted it in good condition so he feels like the pool of villains has gone down drastically because he's like it's got to be someone who knows what they're doing I love how you call it the pool of villains.

00:40:21.538 --> 00:40:26.369
I think that's the name of the episode, unless you come up with something better that's the name of the episode, Unless you come up with something better.

00:40:26.389 --> 00:40:27.530
that's the name of the episode.

00:40:27.652 --> 00:40:28.393
So anyways.

00:40:28.914 --> 00:40:36.088
So Lapine, he was kind of like a hoity-toity upperclassman kind of a guy, kind of snobbish.

00:40:36.088 --> 00:40:43.929
He thought the person who did this was extremely smart, extremely coercive and very upper-middle class.

00:40:44.635 --> 00:40:45.579
And I'm guessing he was wrong.

00:40:46.842 --> 00:40:47.465
I will get to that.

00:40:47.465 --> 00:40:49.920
But that's what Lapine was like.

00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.501
He was trying to be all criminal minds about it, sure.

00:40:52.983 --> 00:40:53.945
Hey, you like that show.

00:40:54.065 --> 00:40:55.577
I do and be all like.

00:40:55.577 --> 00:40:58.344
This is the profile of who we're talking about.

00:40:58.445 --> 00:40:59.166
Okay, sure, sure.

00:40:59.675 --> 00:41:01.824
So this detective man of science?

00:41:01.824 --> 00:41:19.264
He actually tested how long it would take for two policemen to take a mock-up mona lisa and, like on the wall, get it down and take it off of yeah and take it off, just even take it off the wall sure, sure with these iron brackets.

00:41:19.264 --> 00:41:25.682
It took them five minutes, two policemen, to get the mona lisa fake mona off the wall.

00:41:25.782 --> 00:41:26.766
And that's two people.

00:41:27.065 --> 00:41:27.286
Yes.

00:41:27.286 --> 00:41:35.309
So then he had a museum worker who was familiar with the layout and all that.

00:41:35.309 --> 00:41:36.677
Yeah, he had him.

00:41:36.677 --> 00:41:39.619
Hey, come up here, take down this painting for me.

00:41:39.619 --> 00:41:40.699
I want to see how long it takes you.

00:41:41.059 --> 00:41:41.641
Five seconds.

00:41:41.641 --> 00:41:47.443
Oh so with that knowledge, he probably it's an inside job.

00:41:47.443 --> 00:41:51.260
Huzzah, right, huzzah, that's an aggressive huzzah.

00:41:51.355 --> 00:41:53.483
We've narrowed down the pool of villains.

00:41:53.483 --> 00:41:56.985
It had to have been an employee or a former employee.

00:41:58.137 --> 00:41:59.340
I mean, that makes sense.

00:41:59.360 --> 00:41:59.862
Ideally right.

00:42:00.255 --> 00:42:05.547
That would make sense, why that would be your direction to go, because you and I go in there.

00:42:05.547 --> 00:42:06.920
Hey, take this painting down.

00:42:09.295 --> 00:42:10.501
Without ruining anything.

00:42:10.902 --> 00:42:15.344
Oh fuck, pick a painting you don't care about because this shit's getting fucked up, yeah.

00:42:15.344 --> 00:42:20.722
Or obviously you work there, you you've, especially at that timeframe.

00:42:20.722 --> 00:42:24.583
I'm sure things are different nowadays, but you know how to take it down.

00:42:24.583 --> 00:42:25.286
It's like yeah.

00:42:25.726 --> 00:42:27.782
Yeah, this is exactly how you take it down.

00:42:27.855 --> 00:42:29.842
That would clearly eliminate a lot of people.

00:42:29.842 --> 00:42:35.128
So it's either, like you said, a current employee or a former employee that worked at the Louvre.

00:42:35.474 --> 00:42:39.065
So that narrows it down to 256 of current employees.

00:42:39.597 --> 00:42:44.757
Oh there was that many there and they were all going to get fingerprinted, sure Makes sense oh, there was that many there and they were all going to get fingerprinted?

00:42:44.797 --> 00:42:45.396
Sure, makes sense, one by one.

00:42:45.396 --> 00:42:49.719
A painstaking process, but no one matched the fingerprint on the glass.

00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.280
Okay, okay, so they widened the search.

00:42:52.280 --> 00:43:04.706
Okay, sure, so people who used to be employed at or for the Louvre Okay, okay, so enter subcontractors the Gobié firm.

00:43:05.126 --> 00:43:06.666
Gobié firm Mm-hmm Okay.

00:43:07.047 --> 00:43:12.670
They made wait for it, the protective glass casings for the paintings.

00:43:12.670 --> 00:43:14.351
Oh, that was their job.

00:43:14.710 --> 00:43:15.032
Okay.

00:43:15.612 --> 00:43:18.333
So they were commissioned to make these glass paintings.

00:43:18.333 --> 00:43:29.489
Sure, so at one point there was a piece of art that got vandalized, and so that's when they hired the Gobier firm to like To start putting this glass panels on the painting.

00:43:29.510 --> 00:43:29.929
Yes, okay.

00:43:30.414 --> 00:43:36.911
So the firm gave Lapine a list of about five people who worked in the same gallery hall as where the Mona Lisa was hung.

00:43:36.911 --> 00:43:42.967
All right, all five were called into questioning and one no-called, no-showed.

00:43:44.856 --> 00:43:45.398
I wonder why.

00:43:46.161 --> 00:43:50.217
No, no show he's like um how suspicious.

00:43:50.217 --> 00:44:06.434
I gotta go hide that yeah, so the man who didn't show up was 29 year old vincenzo perugia okay, vincenzo, yes he was born in a very small village in the Alps of Italy, near the border of Switzerland, in 1881.

00:44:06.594 --> 00:44:08.282
I was going to say that's a very Italian name.

00:44:08.876 --> 00:44:13.788
So he was a migrant from Italy and he was incredibly low class.

00:44:13.788 --> 00:44:18.186
He was very, very poor and he had a criminal record.

00:44:18.635 --> 00:44:19.177
Oh dear.

00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:19.963
Things are not stacking up.

00:44:19.983 --> 00:44:21.932
Good for Vincenzo, oh, but wait, yes, things are not stacking up.

00:44:21.932 --> 00:44:24.496
Good for Vincenzo, oh, but wait.

00:44:25.336 --> 00:44:30.501
So Lepine noticed that he had been arrested once for threatening a sex worker with a knife.

00:44:30.842 --> 00:44:31.782
Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:44:31.802 --> 00:44:32.824
And once for theft.

00:44:33.543 --> 00:44:33.684
Oh.

00:44:34.324 --> 00:44:39.568
So Lepine, who was, like I said before, he was an upper middle class snob.

00:44:39.568 --> 00:44:44.460
He saw Perugia's background and was like nah, let's go.

00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:45.007
No, he was like.

00:44:45.007 --> 00:44:45.635
Not this idiot.

00:44:45.635 --> 00:44:48.222
Oh, because he wasn't sophisticated enough, exactly.

00:44:48.362 --> 00:44:52.360
Yes, that's right, because you had said that okay, yes, he was like now, so he discounted.

00:44:52.360 --> 00:45:00.054
See, that's, that's wild that's wild I'm sorry you have to still fucking count this guy, but he's like no, he couldn't have been that smart to do this exactly.

00:45:00.275 --> 00:45:03.623
Wow, he was not sophisticated enough to pull this off.

00:45:03.623 --> 00:45:20.681
He wasn't traveled, he wasn't worldly, he wasn't educated, he wasn't wealthy and he wasn't a connoisseur of renaissance work wow, that's wild, that's what their prejudice was yeah but they did track him down anyway he'd kind of be a fool not to right.

00:45:21.121 --> 00:45:28.440
So a week after the theft, okay, lapine sent a like junior attack detective to perugia's apartment.

00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:50.264
So this guy, he travels up several flights of stairs, enters his apartment and perugia he is, this small framed italian man with a big like bushy mustache a mustache a mustache like a big mustache yeah yeah, his apartment was a 9 by 13 room oh, my word, that was it.

00:45:50.766 --> 00:45:58.675
So I had like a toilet in the corner, a bed and then maybe a couch probably not even the toilet, but yeah, oh yeah, a studio it was it was a studio do you have a bucket?

00:45:59.255 --> 00:45:59.677
you know what?

00:45:59.677 --> 00:46:01.298
This is not part of my research, so we're gonna move on.

00:46:01.298 --> 00:46:01.679
So he's got a bed.

00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:02.201
He's got a small table.

00:46:02.201 --> 00:46:02.902
He's got some chairs.

00:46:02.902 --> 00:46:03.523
He's got a bed.

00:46:03.523 --> 00:46:04.425
He's got a small table.

00:46:04.465 --> 00:46:05.226
He's got some chairs.

00:46:05.547 --> 00:46:07.409
He's got a trunk, not much else, right?

00:46:07.409 --> 00:46:13.503
So during the interview, perugia said that he was at work at the Garbier firm.

00:46:13.503 --> 00:46:18.617
Okay, all day, alibi, okay, sure, alibi, yeah, I believe you 100%.

00:46:18.617 --> 00:46:24.407
So the junior detective took that as fact, but he did do a small search of Perugia's apartment.

00:46:24.407 --> 00:46:26.309
He found nothing, okay, okay.

00:46:26.309 --> 00:46:38.481
So two weeks after the theft, the newspapers, who were hearing nothing from the police or Lapine Lapine wasn't saying anything about the investigation they started to come up with their own plan.

00:46:38.481 --> 00:46:43.840
Oh geez, they wanted to restore France's reputation and pride by seeing this to an end.

00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:44.699
Okay.

00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:48.123
So they created their own reward for information on the theft.

00:46:48.123 --> 00:46:53.628
Oh really 50,000 francs, which is over a million pounds today.

00:46:53.909 --> 00:46:54.889
Holy crap.

00:46:54.889 --> 00:46:55.891
Huge.

00:46:55.891 --> 00:46:58.594
I mean, yeah, that's, oh, that's huge.

00:46:58.594 --> 00:46:58.954
What is it?

00:46:58.954 --> 00:47:01.681
Huge, okay, just making sure I heard that right.

00:47:01.681 --> 00:47:03.606
Huge Okay, Okay, stop.

00:47:05.436 --> 00:47:07.563
The results were immediate.

00:47:08.295 --> 00:47:11.880
Well, yeah, because that's I want A significant Huge.

00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:13.503
I'm not afraid Jesus.

00:47:13.525 --> 00:47:16.623
Christ, let's move on from huge.

00:47:17.315 --> 00:47:25.565
So a man comes forward and he actually writes a letter he doesn't visually come in.

00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:29.244
Oh, so he wrote them a letter and sent it to them.

00:47:29.335 --> 00:47:35.545
Yes, and he says it's actually not that hard to steal from the Louvre, because I've done it oh.

00:47:35.786 --> 00:47:37.429
Okay.

00:47:38.456 --> 00:47:44.599
He says I have stolen Iberian statues and I had to look up Iberian because I have not heard that, what is that?

00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.563
But it's of Spain or Portugal heritage.

00:47:46.583 --> 00:47:48.387
I didn't statues and I had to look up Iberian because I have not heard that.

00:47:48.387 --> 00:47:48.766
What is that?

00:47:48.766 --> 00:47:49.027
But it's of.

00:47:49.108 --> 00:47:49.688
Spain or Portugal heritage?

00:47:49.688 --> 00:47:50.309
I didn't know that.

00:47:50.309 --> 00:47:50.731
I didn't know that.

00:47:50.751 --> 00:47:54.639
Yeah, iberian without the S, siberian without the S and not as cold.

00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.166
And this guy says I have stolen these statues and I've actually sold them.

00:47:59.867 --> 00:48:00.769
Oh shit, Really yeah.

00:48:08.594 --> 00:48:09.456
And he sold them to an up-and-coming painter.

00:48:09.456 --> 00:48:11.923
Okay, can you guess who that painter was, knowing that it was an iberian statue from spain and portugal?

00:48:11.923 --> 00:48:16.358
Can you guess who this painter was that purchased these stolen statues?

00:48:16.637 --> 00:48:22.505
picasso, pablo, picasco, baby did you know he lived to like 1974?

00:48:22.505 --> 00:48:28.838
No, something like that, no yeah that's not part of my research why would it be?

00:48:28.978 --> 00:48:31.864
pablo picasso purchased these stult.

00:48:31.923 --> 00:48:34.469
Yes, yes bradley, his hand is raised.

00:48:34.469 --> 00:48:35.416
Do I get points?

00:48:35.717 --> 00:48:43.884
yes, go get yourself another beer, hold, please, hold please and we're back.

00:48:44.065 --> 00:48:44.746
Thanks for waiting.

00:48:44.846 --> 00:48:45.407
And what'd you get?

00:48:45.775 --> 00:48:49.860
I got a summer shandy Very good, a lot different from what we just had.

00:48:50.536 --> 00:48:56.543
A good go-to, though it's a classic, but isn't that insane Pablo Picasso all of a sudden just comes on the scene.

00:48:56.543 --> 00:48:58.217
Yeah, actually.

00:48:58.318 --> 00:49:03.277
so the detectives went to Picasso's house his home To see if he actually had these statues.

00:49:03.378 --> 00:49:06.682
Well to see if he potentially had the painting the Mona Lisa.

00:49:06.963 --> 00:49:08.105
Why would he think that though?

00:49:08.545 --> 00:49:11.590
Because he's already purchased stolen goods.

00:49:13.795 --> 00:49:16.663
Known stolen goods, so maybe this guy purchased the painting as well.

00:49:16.702 --> 00:49:21.445
Yes, so they went, they found these Iberian statues in Picasso's home.

00:49:22.235 --> 00:49:23.519
Did they take them back?

00:49:24.061 --> 00:49:31.188
Yes, so Picasso actually used those statues as inspiration for one of his paintings.

00:49:31.188 --> 00:49:36.505
Which painting it's called the Young Ladies of Avignon.

00:49:36.505 --> 00:49:39.521
Huh, and I'm going to show you what it looks like.

00:49:39.521 --> 00:49:50.813
Okay, and I will probably put this on social media, media, but I don't want it to be confused with like them, you know, like who, who we're really who we're actually talking about.

00:49:50.813 --> 00:49:54.623
Right, right, right but, um, this is, if you can describe it, for people.

00:49:54.682 --> 00:50:01.666
This is the young ladies of emil it's look like they're all wearing pink outfits and it's very like abs.

00:50:01.706 --> 00:50:07.298
This is considered like one of the most like the earliest versions of what we would consider modern art.

00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:20.108
Oh, sure, okay yeah, I mean very angular yeah, a lot of a lot of angles in it, a lot of like not curves, if you will, just more very angular, yeah the faces the noses.

00:50:20.108 --> 00:50:21.478
Five different ladies in there.

00:50:21.478 --> 00:50:22.681
Is that what I'm counting?

00:50:22.782 --> 00:50:25.579
and it's all very like pink and red very, a lot of pink.

00:50:25.780 --> 00:50:27.505
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

00:50:27.706 --> 00:50:34.505
So I've never seen that painting before yeah, so that was um the ladies, the young ladies of eminion.

00:50:34.505 --> 00:50:42.159
So picasso was arrested and held for several days, days, but they couldn't, they couldn't build a case around him for the Mona Lisa.

00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:43.061
So they released him.

00:50:43.061 --> 00:50:44.222
Why was he arrested?

00:50:44.222 --> 00:50:47.365
Because he had these stolen statues.

00:50:47.365 --> 00:50:47.786
Okay.

00:50:48.007 --> 00:50:49.007
But he didn't steal them.

00:50:49.007 --> 00:50:49.829
He purchased them.

00:50:49.829 --> 00:50:51.710
He might not have known they were stolen.

00:50:51.791 --> 00:50:59.576
It's fair, but they were also still trying to make a case for him, and it's not like today where they have to be like no, you absolutely did it, here's the proof, et cetera.

00:50:59.576 --> 00:51:00.577
We're going to hold you.

00:51:00.577 --> 00:51:03.702
Instead, back then it was we're going to hold you and then try to prove it.

00:51:04.023 --> 00:51:05.465
So guilty before innocent?

00:51:05.465 --> 00:51:07.409
Yeah, exactly, exactly, gotcha.

00:51:07.534 --> 00:51:10.922
So they did end up releasing him, and that's the last we kind of hear of Picasso.

00:51:10.922 --> 00:51:13.543
But that's so ironic.

00:51:13.663 --> 00:51:14.184
That's funny.

00:51:14.184 --> 00:51:29.940
Yeah, no, because of the time frame that you brought up, I'm like, well, it's got to be Picasso, Because I'm not saying I'm a Picasso historian by any stretch, but I knew he lived around that time.

00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:34.143
But yeah, he lived to be like I might be getting the year wrong, but he was around for a long time.

00:51:34.143 --> 00:51:43.324
It's like it's weird to think about because of how iconic he is as a painter, that there's another small one.

00:51:44.335 --> 00:51:48.197
It's just like, wait, he didn't die until when, yeah, so anyways.

00:51:48.197 --> 00:51:51.085
So back to back to Mona Lisa smile.

00:51:52.476 --> 00:52:00.530
So the public and the newspapers were kind of starting to realize that the world's greatest detective may not have been the greatest.

00:52:00.530 --> 00:52:08.204
It's like this one little mark on this guy's reputation, this little blemish on his record, and now he's a pariah.

00:52:08.344 --> 00:52:08.708
Whatever.

00:52:08.708 --> 00:52:14.862
So instead of being Sherlock Holmes, he's more like Sherlock Homie, yeah, or Ghetto Sure, sure.

00:52:15.757 --> 00:52:15.980
Wow.

00:52:15.980 --> 00:52:18.909
So the newspaper articles of the Mona Lisa disappearance.

00:52:18.909 --> 00:52:21.583
They start to dwindle in size and in frequency.

00:52:21.894 --> 00:52:24.083
Okay, because it's just taking so long.

00:52:24.083 --> 00:52:26.340
Yeah, there's been so much time in between.

00:52:26.380 --> 00:52:36.777
When this happened, people are like yeah, so a couple things actually happened during this time okay to where the mona lisa is no longer front page news, right, these other things are okay.

00:52:36.777 --> 00:52:44.333
The headlines during this time an automobile was used for the first time as a getaway car after a bank robber.

00:52:44.333 --> 00:52:45.896
That's fantastic, yeah.

00:52:46.818 --> 00:52:58.905
And secondly, the sinking of the titanic on april 15th 1912 yeah, yeah, wow yeah so the titanic knocked the mona lisa out of the news pretty much a year later.

00:52:59.085 --> 00:53:05.143
That's wild at this time 1912 yeah the disappearance of the mona l Lisa is now considered a cold case.

00:53:05.985 --> 00:53:07.708
Wow, okay, yes, I suppose.

00:53:08.635 --> 00:53:09.998
So Lapine.

00:53:09.998 --> 00:53:13.887
He had a nice, long, respectable, rewarding career.

00:53:13.887 --> 00:53:20.264
He actually ended up retiring in March 1913, never having solved this case.

00:53:20.565 --> 00:53:21.447
Way to go, Lapine.

00:53:21.706 --> 00:53:22.608
Isn't that awful?

00:53:22.608 --> 00:53:24.579
I mean, he's so respected and so well regarded.

00:53:24.579 --> 00:53:25.764
And this case, way to go, lapine, isn't that awful?

00:53:25.764 --> 00:53:28.315
I mean, he's like so respected and so well regarded, and this one Kind of killed it.

00:53:28.315 --> 00:53:31.103
This one, last one, he couldn't get.

00:53:31.304 --> 00:53:35.751
Yeah, and it just kind of made people's perception of him be a little different too.

00:53:35.771 --> 00:53:36.172
Yeah, which is?

00:53:36.253 --> 00:53:36.514
wild.

00:53:37.596 --> 00:53:47.391
So 28 months after the theft in December of 1913, a Florence-based art dealer gets a letter in the mail.

00:53:47.956 --> 00:53:49.402
Oh correspondence.

00:53:49.795 --> 00:53:53.704
The letter is written in Italian, but it arrived from Paris.

00:53:53.704 --> 00:53:54.907
Okay.

00:53:54.907 --> 00:54:09.862
It says I have the Mona Lisa and I want to sell it to you with a 25% discount, as you're Italian and I want this painting in Italy Because Leonardo was Italian.

00:54:09.862 --> 00:54:11.860
Right, I want this painting in Italy.

00:54:11.860 --> 00:54:19.949
It was signed Leonardo V, okay, okay.

00:54:19.949 --> 00:54:27.539
So the art dealer feels like this might just be the real deal, as the painting has been missing for so long, no one knows what's up with this.

00:54:27.539 --> 00:54:35.429
So he contacts the museum director of Uffizi, which is Italy's version of the Louvre.

00:54:35.429 --> 00:54:37.621
Oh, so it's another museum Uffizi.

00:54:38.021 --> 00:54:38.344
Okay.

00:54:38.715 --> 00:54:40.297
U-F-F-I-Z-I.

00:54:40.777 --> 00:54:41.699
Okay, that's weird.

00:54:41.818 --> 00:54:42.039
Yeah.

00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:50.070
So the director was like I'll authenticate this painting once we all meet up, so once I get it yeah, that kind of thing yeah.

00:54:50.070 --> 00:54:50.331
Okay.

00:54:50.331 --> 00:55:01.204
So if it's the real painting, the art dealer agrees to give Leonard a finder's fee of what would have been a half a million pounds today.

00:55:01.364 --> 00:55:05.898
Good Lord, so what does it mean?

00:55:05.898 --> 00:55:06.621
A finder's fee?

00:55:07.456 --> 00:55:13.041
Like, like Leonard wanted, like hey, I found the painting, I want a reward for it.

00:55:13.514 --> 00:55:16.963
So they're just discounting the fact that he could have been the one that stole it.

00:55:17.563 --> 00:55:17.824
Oh no.

00:55:18.005 --> 00:55:19.467
They're smarter than that, okay, good.

00:55:19.896 --> 00:55:28.581
So on December 17th the two Italians meet up with leonard and who's in his hotel room in florence okay, okay and they?

00:55:28.581 --> 00:55:31.608
He is not at all what they thought no how so?

00:55:31.608 --> 00:55:32.592
He's unkempt.

00:55:32.592 --> 00:55:34.315
Oh, he's down on his luck.

00:55:34.315 --> 00:55:38.599
He's young and he's very unintelligent okay okay, wow.

00:55:39.862 --> 00:55:51.081
So leonard pulls out this trunk, he opens it, he tosses out shoes, paintbrushes, clothing, just random things, and they're all like what the hell is this?

00:55:51.081 --> 00:55:51.923
What the fuck?

00:55:51.923 --> 00:56:00.586
But then he pulls out a false bottom, oh, and underneath he pulls out something wrapped in red velvet Sure, it's the Mona Lisa.

00:56:00.586 --> 00:56:04.893
That's fucking wild, at least that's what it looks like, right, okay, it's the mona lisa.

00:56:04.893 --> 00:56:05.860
That's fucking wild, at least that's what it looks like, right okay.

00:56:05.860 --> 00:56:10.621
So the museum director he's not like, he's very like sophisticated, and it's like.

00:56:10.621 --> 00:56:14.177
People have copied this work, of course over and over again.

00:56:14.217 --> 00:56:25.547
You talked about that in the beginning, exactly so I have to prove this 100 essentially so the, the museum director, flips it over to the backside and looks at the back of the painting.

00:56:25.547 --> 00:56:26.148
Why?

00:56:26.148 --> 00:56:34.206
Because on the back of this painting is where they would label everywhere that this painting has been.

00:56:34.206 --> 00:56:41.806
So there's markings, there's loose numbers, there's literally a history in writing on the back of this painting.

00:56:42.056 --> 00:56:43.139
I didn't realize they did that.

00:56:43.240 --> 00:56:48.867
Yes, so I watched this art restoration guy um Baumgartner's um restoration.

00:56:48.867 --> 00:56:59.483
He's from Chicago and he literally puts a sticker on the back of every single painting he does to signify like who cleaned it, how he cleaned it, repaired it, et cetera.

00:56:59.543 --> 00:57:00.244
Well, that makes sense.

00:57:00.244 --> 00:57:01.576
It's just like a same thing.

00:57:01.596 --> 00:57:14.304
Well, that makes sense it's just like a log of what happened Exactly, so it's a detailed history of where this painting has been and the museum director has seen photos of the back of this painting.

00:57:14.545 --> 00:57:15.126
Oh really.

00:57:15.606 --> 00:57:20.210
And he is so close to confirming that this is actually the Mona Lisa.

00:57:20.210 --> 00:57:23.972
But he has to be sure he can't quite say it yet.

00:57:24.594 --> 00:57:25.056
You can't fuck this up.

00:57:25.076 --> 00:57:33.768
Yes, exactly exactly so he's like I need to match the varnish cracks in the paint.

00:57:33.768 --> 00:57:52.521
Oh, from years of exposure and drying and everything, yeah to archival photographs okay it is essentially a fingers nope, a painting's fingertips nope this is a.

00:57:52.942 --> 00:57:54.483
This is like watching a car crash.

00:57:54.483 --> 00:57:56.686
Oh, what is it?

00:57:56.686 --> 00:58:03.820
Now paintings, fingerprints oh, my god, like the varnish fingerprints Fingerprints.

00:58:03.820 --> 00:58:05.161
Wow that we got there.

00:58:05.161 --> 00:58:05.943
It was rough.

00:58:05.943 --> 00:58:11.909
I'm a little scarred for life now so I feel a little dumber, but we got there.

00:58:11.909 --> 00:58:12.911
Shut the fuck up.

00:58:14.275 --> 00:58:18.706
So the director needs to take this painting back to Uffizi.

00:58:18.947 --> 00:58:19.168
Yeah.

00:58:19.434 --> 00:58:28.661
To see the painting on the magnifying glass and compare it to the pictures that he has Right and Leonardo lets them take it.

00:58:30.726 --> 00:58:31.168
What a?

00:58:31.168 --> 00:58:33.034
Are you fucking kidding me?

00:58:33.094 --> 00:58:35.556
Without payment Just bye-bye.

00:58:35.556 --> 00:58:37.181
Bargaining chip Just buh-bye.

00:58:37.181 --> 00:58:38.784
Go ahead, take it.

00:58:39.106 --> 00:58:39.507
I don't.

00:58:40.155 --> 00:58:59.887
Well, he really is an idiot, and the Italians are like they told Leonardo well, well, if the painting checks out, yeah, we'll go ahead and send the award in the mail checks in the mail yeah, exactly, oh my god what a fucking moron.

00:59:00.086 --> 00:59:04.371
I'm sorry if you then, or no, fuck off.

00:59:04.371 --> 00:59:06.601
Wow, what a moron.

00:59:06.601 --> 00:59:09.239
Yeah, what a dumb shit.

00:59:09.521 --> 00:59:14.804
So well, hey there, the archival photos match the painting.

00:59:14.804 --> 00:59:16.641
The Mona Lisa has been found.

00:59:17.014 --> 00:59:19.923
And so this was 28 months after it went missing.

00:59:19.923 --> 00:59:20.425
Yes, okay.

00:59:21.135 --> 00:59:28.385
So, of course, instead of sending Leonard the finder's fee fee, they sent the italian police you don't say now okay.

00:59:28.385 --> 00:59:34.443
So, leonard, you would think that, like the painting leaves his possession, he he made a mistake.

00:59:34.443 --> 00:59:37.820
He needs to get the fuck out of there, does he no?

00:59:38.141 --> 00:59:44.737
no, because he's like well he's still at the hotel they're like they're gonna verify it and then they're gonna give send me a check.

00:59:44.737 --> 00:59:46.320
What a dumb.

00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.583
Fuck the police show up, he's arrested.

00:59:48.583 --> 00:59:55.503
Naturally, of course, leonard is vincenzo perugia there you go, vincenzo.

00:59:55.503 --> 01:00:04.347
Yes, he was a worker who no show during the initial investigation and if you were around for the beginning of the episode, okay, yes, right, right right oops.

01:00:04.347 --> 01:00:11.536
So he was just using an alias to try and cover his ass at least he was smart in that regard, but okay and that was.

01:00:11.617 --> 01:00:17.076
I was literally just gonna say that how do you come up with, like you know, what I?

01:00:17.096 --> 01:00:18.137
need make an alias.

01:00:18.318 --> 01:00:21.923
I need to use an alias, but I'm a fucking idiot in the rest of my life.

01:00:21.923 --> 01:00:35.681
How do you not come up with, like seriously, how you okay there A shiver, yeah, how are you that dumb, but yet you can come up with an alias?

01:00:35.860 --> 01:00:37.981
Yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely different.

01:00:37.981 --> 01:00:40.903
But so the police are like how did you do this?

01:00:41.344 --> 01:00:41.606
Right.

01:00:42.215 --> 01:00:43.818
How are you so dumb you?

01:00:43.878 --> 01:00:46.681
still managed to do this, but yet you were able to pull this off.

01:00:46.681 --> 01:00:47.844
Yeah, so Wow.

01:00:49.507 --> 01:00:50.355
He gives the details.

01:00:50.355 --> 01:00:57.626
So Perugia arrives at the Louvre at 7 am and climbs the grand staircase not encountering anyone.

01:00:57.626 --> 01:00:58.889
The Louvre is closed.

01:00:58.889 --> 01:01:03.358
There's no one around, so he walks into the gallery where the Mona Lisa is hung.

01:01:03.358 --> 01:01:07.360
He no one around, so he walks into the gallery where the Mona Lisa is hung.

01:01:07.380 --> 01:01:08.762
He looks around and he listens To see if he hears anybody.

01:01:08.762 --> 01:01:09.443
No one is near.

01:01:09.702 --> 01:01:14.288
Okay, he easily pulls the painting off the wall Because he was familiar with it.

01:01:14.288 --> 01:01:19.032
Yes, he was familiar, so nearby is an employee staircase.

01:01:19.172 --> 01:01:20.934
Yeah, the servant hall or whatever.

01:01:20.934 --> 01:01:21.956
You said yes, exactly Whatever, yeah.

01:01:21.976 --> 01:01:28.143
So he goes down several flights of stairs and he takes the painting out of the frame and the protective casing and he keeps it there.

01:01:28.454 --> 01:01:30.141
Does he just like roll it up like a poster?

01:01:30.141 --> 01:01:30.784
I mean, how did he?

01:01:31.936 --> 01:01:33.141
So no, it's on canvas.

01:01:33.643 --> 01:01:33.903
Right.

01:01:34.094 --> 01:01:35.840
So he's just tucking it under his arm.

01:01:36.161 --> 01:01:37.045
That's so wild.

01:01:37.085 --> 01:01:37.264
Yeah.

01:01:37.264 --> 01:01:48.541
So he goes down several more flights of stairs without the frame and he goes to that side door, the one without the handle.

01:01:48.541 --> 01:01:49.262
Yes, so it's locked.

01:01:49.262 --> 01:01:51.869
He doesn't have a key, but the doorknob is there.

01:01:51.869 --> 01:01:58.106
He has a screwdriver on this person and he removes the doorknob to try to get out.

01:01:58.106 --> 01:02:06.938
Oh, but it didn't work because he didn't get far enough until he heard the plumber coming down the stairs.

01:02:06.938 --> 01:02:15.224
So he had to act quickly sit on the stairs and act like he just got there right so that's when the plumber's like, hey, there's not a doorknob here.

01:02:15.304 --> 01:02:17.077
What happened, and perugia's like?

01:02:17.077 --> 01:02:29.521
I don't know, I just got here, yeah so the plumber unlocks the door, steps out, locks, locks the door behind him and Perugia's like fuck.

01:02:29.541 --> 01:02:32.188
Okay, what does he do?

01:02:32.355 --> 01:02:37.146
He goes back the way he came down the grand staircase.

01:02:37.474 --> 01:02:39.322
Well, I mean, what else is he going to do, I guess though.

01:02:40.496 --> 01:02:42.282
But nobody sees him.

01:02:42.282 --> 01:02:45.664
Wow, he literally leaves the museum the same way he came in.

01:02:46.856 --> 01:02:57.621
it literally took 20 minutes from start to finish and with a short little stint of I gotta sit here and play stupid yes, yes but how did?

01:02:57.621 --> 01:02:58.163
Okay?

01:02:58.362 --> 01:03:00.887
this guy's an idiot so, but why did he do it?

01:03:01.108 --> 01:03:02.577
yeah, because he wanted it back in italy.

01:03:02.577 --> 01:03:05.626
Yes, because he thought it was owed to Italy.

01:03:05.934 --> 01:03:09.184
So Italians were the largest migrants in France.

01:03:09.184 --> 01:03:09.905
Oh, they were.

01:03:09.905 --> 01:03:15.206
They were the workers, the craftsmen, the painters, the lowest of the low Sure.

01:03:15.206 --> 01:03:17.880
Okay, and Perugia wanted revenge.

01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:18.481
Revenge.

01:03:18.481 --> 01:03:19.704
Wow he was bullied.

01:03:19.804 --> 01:03:20.507
He was bullied.

01:03:20.507 --> 01:03:25.407
All the Italians essentially quote unquote were bullied by the French.

01:03:25.407 --> 01:03:36.731
He was thinking okay, why are you protecting these paintings, these treasures that you have claimed and then go about ridiculing the same Italians that created them?

01:03:37.356 --> 01:03:39.204
I can understand where he's coming from, sure.

01:03:40.135 --> 01:03:45.251
But there is a theory that that's not the entire motive that perugia had.

01:03:45.251 --> 01:03:49.364
Perugia might have thought that the italian paintings were stolen by the french.

01:03:49.364 --> 01:03:52.132
Oh so, but regardless.

01:03:52.333 --> 01:04:08.840
Leonardo da vinci gave it to king louis as a gift in france which is why it was hung in the louvre well, no, I mean, it makes sense, because it's not like just because it was painted in Italy, or the person who is Italian, or, as Kate likes to say, italian, although you did say Italian before.

01:04:08.900 --> 01:04:09.842
I know, I tried really hard.

01:04:10.425 --> 01:04:19.414
I paid attention, anyways even just because they're Italian doesn't mean like Italy owns it, the painter owns it and he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it yeah.

01:04:19.414 --> 01:04:27.239
So if Leonardo da Vinci wants to give it to king louis or whoever, for that fucking matter, fuck off dude?

01:04:27.358 --> 01:04:34.063
yeah, but he didn't know that well, he thought it was stolen potentially potentially stolen, but either way, I so.

01:04:34.163 --> 01:04:40.947
Okay, I get where his on potential motive, his potential motive, even though it's not very well thought out.

01:04:41.195 --> 01:04:48.409
Yeah, I guess we'll say yeah, okay okay, so perugia was sentenced in an Italian court for 12 months.

01:04:49.255 --> 01:04:50.920
He only got 12 months.

01:04:51.141 --> 01:04:51.744
Oh, but wait.

01:04:51.744 --> 01:04:54.521
Okay, he only served seven.

01:04:54.521 --> 01:04:56.500
Because why?

01:04:56.500 --> 01:05:00.523
Because he was labeled as a patriot in Italy.

01:05:00.523 --> 01:05:05.510
Because of his motives, because he was trying to bring this faith Something back motives because he was trying to bring something back.

01:05:05.510 --> 01:05:18.067
Yes, he was trying to okay build up the reputation of italy and bringing this fantastic piece of artwork back, because he thought that it was stolen by the french and he got five months reduced off his.

01:05:18.456 --> 01:05:23.387
Yeah, I mean it's probably, obviously it's well different.

01:05:23.387 --> 01:05:26.434
I mean that's over 100 years ago when this happened.

01:05:26.434 --> 01:05:30.487
But to think that he only got 12 months for stealing the Mona Lisa.

01:05:31.215 --> 01:05:33.601
But it wasn't the Mona Lisa at the time.

01:05:33.701 --> 01:05:37.067
Let me finish the, the, the, yeah.

01:05:37.067 --> 01:05:44.545
Let me finish Knowing that it's obviously a lot different now, but take any popular.

01:05:44.545 --> 01:05:48.259
Every time you take a sip now, it's just funny, it's the back end.

01:05:48.259 --> 01:05:50.927
Yeah, I know, but just take anything popular.

01:05:50.927 --> 01:06:00.396
Mona lisa, obviously, whatever, anything popular taylor, swift album, whatever oh my god, you at least get five years for a taylor swift album.

01:06:00.396 --> 01:06:06.827
I mean fuck christ anywho, but no, it's just.

01:06:06.827 --> 01:06:08.458
It's just funny that like to think about you.

01:06:08.458 --> 01:06:11.130
Like you only got 12 months and only surf seven.

01:06:11.130 --> 01:06:14.099
That's just crazy okay.

01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:23.503
So by stealing the mona lisa, perugia unintentionally obviously created a worldwide icon yeah, because, like you said, nobody fucking knew about it.

01:06:24.226 --> 01:06:24.507
I have a.

01:06:24.507 --> 01:06:25.295
Do you have a question?

01:06:25.295 --> 01:06:28.184
What painting did the washington post actually put out there?

01:06:28.304 --> 01:06:33.483
I actually don't know, but it was actually very similar in, in, in style of appeal.

01:06:33.483 --> 01:06:38.318
It was a woman um kind of in the same kind of positioning and everything.

01:06:38.318 --> 01:06:46.090
Yeah, gotcha okay, so perugia's theft also catapulted art theft in general.

01:06:46.090 --> 01:06:54.199
Oh, people are willing to buy these paintings for a premium price.

01:06:54.199 --> 01:07:10.048
Right, art theft is the one of the highest grossing criminal trades worldwide, only third to drugs and arms trades.

01:07:10.748 --> 01:07:12.230
Really, it's still that high.

01:07:12.730 --> 01:07:13.670
Even to this day.

01:07:13.690 --> 01:07:15.692
Isn't that nuts?

01:07:15.692 --> 01:07:16.833
I wouldn't have guessed that.

01:07:16.833 --> 01:07:19.039
It just doesn't seem like.

01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:26.844
It seemed like I don't know how you even word it More romanticized in my brain from like years ago.

01:07:26.885 --> 01:07:28.909
basically, yeah, yeah, isn't that crazy.

01:07:29.315 --> 01:07:32.686
No, I would have never guessed it's that high.

01:07:33.195 --> 01:07:38.085
Okay, so today the Mona Lisa is no longer insured.

01:07:38.085 --> 01:07:40.822
Because it can't be it used to be.

01:07:40.822 --> 01:07:43.617
Yeah, because it can't be, it used to be yeah.

01:07:43.617 --> 01:07:57.530
But now no insurance company could possibly pay the high price for a replacement or repair, because the painting is now considered irreplaceable and priceless.

01:07:57.710 --> 01:08:09.202
Correct, so no monetary value is ever going to be assigned to this painting.

01:08:09.202 --> 01:08:09.543
Do you know what?

01:08:09.543 --> 01:08:09.724
The last?

01:08:09.744 --> 01:08:10.628
monetary value ever assigned to it was um.

01:08:10.628 --> 01:08:15.023
I did write it down at one point and ended up deleting it, but it was it was several million.

01:08:15.023 --> 01:08:16.608
Uh, which back?

01:08:16.608 --> 01:08:18.153
That was back in the 60s.

01:08:18.212 --> 01:08:23.904
It was several million so even you know yeah, inflation, yeah so now it's just too much.

01:08:23.925 --> 01:08:25.988
So they're like, no, this is just priceless.

01:08:26.194 --> 01:08:32.948
Well it's, I mean, you think about it, it's 500 years old, over 500 years old.

01:08:33.229 --> 01:08:33.429
Yeah.

01:08:34.314 --> 01:08:35.537
Nothing like that is.

01:08:35.537 --> 01:08:41.708
I mean, I'm sure there's really good painters today, but like for some, like nothing like that's ever going to be created again.

01:08:41.708 --> 01:08:44.443
No, I mean just the masterpiece that it is.

01:08:44.443 --> 01:08:46.961
Yeah, with da vinci was a fucking genius.

01:08:46.961 --> 01:08:51.358
Yeah, I mean, everything you did was amazing yeah so yeah, I can.

01:08:51.478 --> 01:09:00.721
I can understand why you can't put a price on it so in the louvre, the mona lisa has been ever since it's deframing, except for a few world tours.

01:09:00.721 --> 01:09:04.328
Right, right, it did, it did tour a couple things.

01:09:04.529 --> 01:09:12.786
A couple places Did I just see a photograph not that long ago, where it was in the States, and it was JFK looking at it.

01:09:12.786 --> 01:09:14.609
Yes, and Jackie, yeah, yep, yep.

01:09:15.416 --> 01:09:19.574
So it has been in the Louvre ever since, except for some of those world tours.

01:09:19.574 --> 01:09:21.198
And it's been preserved by.

01:09:21.198 --> 01:09:30.470
It has has its own climate controlled room isn't that crazy and a pane of bulletproof glass in front of it to ensure its protection.

01:09:30.470 --> 01:09:44.466
Yeah, it's constantly surrounded by security guards, cameras and high, high quality surveillance systems of course, yeah, but that is the story of vincenzo Perugia and the Mona Lisa heist.

01:09:44.734 --> 01:09:46.942
I feel like we need to watch the Thomas Crown of Ferdow.

01:09:46.942 --> 01:09:50.940
Ooh, I love that movie.

01:09:50.940 --> 01:09:53.082
I've never seen the original, have you?

01:09:53.295 --> 01:09:54.279
I don't think I have.

01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:55.283
No, I don't either.

01:09:55.435 --> 01:09:58.703
Pierce Brosnan, rene Russo and Ed Harris.

01:09:58.703 --> 01:10:00.896
No, no, oh.

01:10:00.896 --> 01:10:02.355
Dennis Leary, yes.

01:10:02.355 --> 01:10:05.444
Dennis Leary, yes, yes, it has a great soundtrack.

01:10:06.086 --> 01:10:07.439
Yeah, I like the music in it.

01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:07.862
Yeah.

01:10:08.435 --> 01:10:08.855
Old cinema.

01:10:08.855 --> 01:10:12.163
Man, where do you run to Old cinema?

01:10:12.163 --> 01:10:12.545
Damn it.

01:10:12.545 --> 01:10:13.405
Now I need to watch that.

01:10:14.127 --> 01:10:14.349
Right.

01:10:14.349 --> 01:10:16.462
Doesn't that make you want to watch that movie though?

01:10:16.462 --> 01:10:24.908
Yes, I really enjoy that movie and, like so, a good friend of Corey's my brother and I was friends with him too.

01:10:24.908 --> 01:10:29.841
His name was Jimmy Branstom I'm saying his last name wrong, god damn it.

01:10:29.841 --> 01:10:31.206
He passed away.

01:10:31.206 --> 01:10:32.619
He was pretty young.

01:10:32.619 --> 01:10:35.998
He had some, it was cancer or something, I don't remember what the fuck.

01:10:35.998 --> 01:10:40.206
It was Really sad, because he was a great guy but he did photography and stuff.

01:10:40.206 --> 01:10:46.257
But he was very good artistically as well photography and stuff, but he's very good artistically as well.

01:10:46.257 --> 01:10:51.246
So back in the day, because of that movie, I wanted to name an album bowler hats and uh, what was it?

01:10:51.407 --> 01:10:53.975
uh, isn't there lines or something in it?

01:10:53.975 --> 01:10:59.708
I don't remember it's a painting, a famous painting that is portrayed in the movie.

01:11:00.015 --> 01:11:02.020
Yeah, correct, and that's where I got that from.

01:11:02.020 --> 01:11:08.561
Um, it's something like bowler, bowler hats and like rocket, I don't know.

01:11:08.561 --> 01:11:09.703
I have the picture somewhere.

01:11:09.703 --> 01:11:12.578
I have to get that to pick it up, but I had to create it but it was.

01:11:12.578 --> 01:11:19.640
It was influenced off of that movie with that painting in it, because obviously the paintings in the movie or whatever.

01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:24.609
But yeah, I love that movie anyways it's good yeah, so um.

01:11:24.650 --> 01:11:46.536
So a lot of my um research came from um an awesome youtube channel um it is called stealing the mona lisa, art theft of the century, and they're they um interviewing um the author of a book that had that he wrote about the stealing of the mona lisa.

01:11:46.536 --> 01:11:48.380
So very cool, yeah.

01:11:48.380 --> 01:11:49.681
So what?

01:11:49.721 --> 01:11:50.963
do you think so?

01:11:50.963 --> 01:11:54.958
I, I think it's cool because, like again, I knew that it was stolen once.

01:11:54.958 --> 01:12:05.706
For some reason in my head, I always thought it was gone longer than what it actually was and, um, I didn't know any details about it.

01:12:05.706 --> 01:12:12.159
Basically, it was quite, quite interesting to uh, to uh learn, learn a bit more.

01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:28.256
Um, I I think it's funny how uh, this guy was such a fucking idiot in terms of like saying, hey, I got it, let's uh sell this or whatever after two years after you know 28 months.

01:12:29.599 --> 01:12:40.185
So like do you think within that time frame he just sat on it and then this is the time I need to sell it yeah, um, I think he waited until like it died.

01:12:40.345 --> 01:12:45.385
It died down yeah, and I think he got like scared when they came to his apartment.

01:12:46.175 --> 01:12:47.320
Oh, I would imagine so.

01:12:47.320 --> 01:12:56.087
Yeah, he was like I'm going to sit on this for a bit For some reason in my brain and I'm not saying I have no basis for why I would even think this way.

01:12:56.087 --> 01:12:59.604
I always thought it was hidden in an attic or something.

01:13:00.555 --> 01:13:05.899
I don't know why I thought that or why that would even it might be another famous painting that's been hidden could be.

01:13:05.918 --> 01:13:13.465
yeah, I might be mixing it up, but like do you think, when they showed up at his apartment, that this was hidden in that false bottom at?

01:13:13.465 --> 01:13:23.305
That time too, yeah, 100 it's a one room, small little fucking piece of shit apartment didn't have like extra rooms and storage or whatever.

01:13:23.326 --> 01:13:25.390
They looked under the bed Right right yeah.

01:13:26.338 --> 01:13:28.835
So I'm guessing he probably had that at that time already.

01:13:28.835 --> 01:13:36.246
And it was in the apartment when that junior detective, or whatever the fuck you call him went to go talk to him.

01:13:36.246 --> 01:13:38.041
So that's just crazy.

01:13:38.041 --> 01:13:43.479
Because you think about it, it's like I could have been five feet away from that painting, never fucking knew this.

01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:45.284
Oh, he was Probably yeah.

01:13:45.975 --> 01:13:54.801
So I actually got this idea for the art theft from a book that you let me borrow, oh that's my book, yeah.

01:13:54.801 --> 01:14:01.744
Yeah, so this is called the Book of Amazing History and I actually don't even know who it's by.

01:14:01.744 --> 01:14:06.694
It doesn't even say on the front cover it's Publications International Limited.

01:14:06.694 --> 01:14:29.600
It honestly doesn't even have a author that's alright but it's a ton of different random historical stories, and this particular one was under like the title of famous art heists of the World, and this was one of them.

01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:29.962
Cool.

01:14:30.435 --> 01:14:33.746
I'm glad we got a story like that, because I got that from my mother-in-law.

01:14:33.746 --> 01:14:41.784
Yeah, for Christmas, for Christmas, yeah, and I thought that was super cool, so I let you borrow it so you could kind of see if we got any topics.

01:14:42.478 --> 01:14:43.402
That's what I got it from.

01:14:43.694 --> 01:14:46.519
I'm so happy that you did that's great, me too fantastic.

01:14:46.578 --> 01:14:49.005
It was a good book, yeah yeah, that's awesome.

01:14:49.485 --> 01:14:51.095
Yeah, I just still I find it funny.

01:14:51.095 --> 01:14:52.759
It's like, what do you call them?

01:14:52.759 --> 01:14:53.780
What was his alias?

01:14:53.780 --> 01:14:58.248
Leonard v it's like vincenzo.

01:14:58.248 --> 01:15:10.206
You fucking idiot or leonardo da vinci, like we don't know know what he was trying to go for I feel like he took Leonardo and changed it to Leonardo and then V for Vincenzo.

01:15:10.447 --> 01:15:12.581
Perhaps I mean who knows?

01:15:13.837 --> 01:15:14.681
What a fucking idiot.

01:15:16.659 --> 01:15:17.764
He wasn't very smart.

01:15:19.195 --> 01:15:21.944
But he was patriotic and passionate.

01:15:22.135 --> 01:15:24.953
Smart enough to get away with it for two years.

01:15:25.234 --> 01:15:26.658
Yeah, he really likes Italy.

01:15:26.658 --> 01:15:29.627
So Stop it Sorry.

01:15:29.734 --> 01:15:32.524
You're not the first person to make fun of my Italian.

01:15:32.524 --> 01:15:35.422
Yeah, italian Italian yeah.

01:15:36.234 --> 01:15:41.684
Well, it's just funny, because, like you say Italy, but you say Italian, I'm going to say Italian.

01:15:41.684 --> 01:15:43.367
I know, stop it, I know Okay.

01:15:43.506 --> 01:15:50.286
so Anyways, yes, Last thoughts on Cool City Brewing Company, the Berry Habanero.

01:15:50.426 --> 01:15:50.966
What do you think?

01:15:50.966 --> 01:15:51.809
I really liked it.

01:15:51.809 --> 01:15:55.805
It's not something I would want to have all the time.

01:15:55.975 --> 01:15:57.104
It's so unique.

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It's very unique.

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I really liked it.

01:15:59.136 --> 01:16:01.304
But I really liked that we got a crawler.

01:16:02.216 --> 01:16:07.264
And I finished my first beverage on the podcast.

01:16:07.264 --> 01:16:08.206
I actually finished it.

01:16:08.326 --> 01:16:09.027
That's impressive.

01:16:09.448 --> 01:16:10.390
I guess we were talking a lot.

01:16:10.390 --> 01:16:12.984
I finished two Shut up.

01:16:13.916 --> 01:16:16.122
And actually you don't even have a pint glass.

01:16:16.122 --> 01:16:17.686
I do, I did.

01:16:17.686 --> 01:16:22.600
Your glass is smaller so there was extra in the can because it's a 32-ounce can.

01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:24.701
So I had 16 ounces.

01:16:24.994 --> 01:16:29.546
You have, whatever that is I suppose All right, buffoons.

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