March 24, 2025

Servant Sandwich: Elizabeth Bathory Part 2

Servant Sandwich: Elizabeth Bathory Part 2
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When history remembers Elizabeth Bathory, it recalls a monster - the "Blood Countess" who allegedly murdered 650 young women and bathed in their blood to preserve her youth. But what if the most notorious female serial killer in history was largely a victim of political conspiracy?

Our journey into the dark legend of Elizabeth Bathory reveals a tale far more complex than vampire lore suggests. Born into Hungarian nobility and married to a war hero, Elizabeth wielded immense wealth and power - making her a target in the politically volatile landscape of 16th century Transylvania. Following her husband's death, she found herself vulnerable against formidable enemies: King Matthias II, who owed her family substantial debts, and Gregory Thurzo, who stood to gain control of her vast estates.

The evidence against Elizabeth crumbles under scrutiny. Of 300 witness testimonies, only three provided firsthand accounts. Her servants "confessed" only after enduring brutal torture - having their fingers ripped out with hot pincers before being burned alive. Most damning is that Elizabeth herself was never even put on trial, instead being placed under house arrest while only her servants faced prosecution.

What emerges is a portrait not of a bloodthirsty monster, but of a powerful woman whose downfall served multiple political agendas. The vampiric elements of her story - the blood bathing, the supernatural connections - appeared more than a century after her death, coinciding with Eastern Europe's vampire hysteria and the rise of Gothic literature. These embellishments transformed a potentially cruel noblewoman into a convenient cultural bogeyman.

Was Elizabeth Bathory completely innocent? Probably not. Historical records suggest she may have been harsh and even abusive by today's standards. But the leap from difficult noblewoman to history's most prolific female murderer reveals more about societal attitudes toward powerful women than it does about Elizabeth herself.

Listen now to untangle fact from fiction and decide for yourself: was the Blood Countess a monster, a victim, or something in between?


Tale of the "Blood Countess": Elizabeth Bathory

By Reading the Past

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngI5EWC8zXw


Elizabeth Bathory - The Blood Countess Documentary

By The People Profiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UqXtGDLiLA&t=253s


The bloody legend of Hungary’s serial killer countess

By Ronan O’Connell

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/the-bloody-legend-of-hungarys-serial-killer-countess



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Chapters

00:16 - Introduction to the Bloody Countess

05:35 - Elizabeth's Torture Methods Revealed

15:01 - Political Motivations Behind the Accusations

22:55 - The Trial: Servants Tortured for Confessions

32:11 - Elizabeth's Punishment and Death

41:05 - Separating Myth from Reality

52:09 - Final Thoughts and Episode Closing

Transcript
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Oh, hey there.

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You keep starting and I'm not ready.

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Oh, hey, there why aren't you ready?

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I had to burp.

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At least it's not me this time.

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Well, it's early.

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I haven't had bubbles.

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My bubbles.

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So this is we just want to say this is the second part to.

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We are the history buffoons too.

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We're the history buffoons.

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I'm Kate, that's Bradley.

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Let's do this over.

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No, this is great, this is gold, this is podcast gold.

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We are the History Ruffoons.

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I'm Bradley that is Kate over there?

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Sorry, I didn't mean to take your thunder on saying I am Kate, but thank you for listening to us.

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us and we're about to finish our story on elizabeth battery yes yeah, so if you have not listened to part one yet, yes that is elizabeth's um pretty much backstory of like how she came to be who she is um part two.

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We dove a little bit deeper into her character.

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Yeah, a little bit deeper, a lot a.

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We dove a little bit deeper into her character.

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Yeah, a little bit deeper.

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A lot of it, deeper A lot of it yeah.

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We try and uncover some of the, the, the history portions of what's real and what's not in terms of her mystique throughout history because of being considered the blood countess.

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And yeah, hope you learned something about good old elizabeth, yeah absolutely enjoy okay.

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So what I said about the two-parter, that's bullshit.

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We're gonna keep going.

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I don't fucking care.

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Whatever happens, happens okay.

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So whatever happens.

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When he got back from war yes the story goes okay that he taught elizabeth the art of war, the art of torture, yeah, so does that seem kind of weird?

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It's like, alright, I'm out fighting our enemies, get a little taste for a little lust for blood.

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Fucking these people up Blood, blood and bells Well, and apparently dodgeball, and it's like you know what a good idea is.

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I'm gonna go back and teach my wife, my wife, my ways?

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what the fuck?

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Well, he gave her tips on how to punish their servants I'm guessing he had a real fucking inkling for this.

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Like he really enjoyed it because you wouldn't come back and teach your wife this shit unless you really fucking enjoyed it yeah, that's really creepy, yeah, but guess what?

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one of the ways that one of the pieces of torture that he taught her, yeah, was covering a girl in.

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Okay, let's do a spoiler alert or like a trigger warning, like some of this can get pretty grotesque here.

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Yes, if you have any aversion to it, well, skip ahead or something.

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Let's do some 18 plus here, people.

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Okay, well, I do mark it as explicit this is true, yeah, so he would cover a girl in honey.

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Yeah.

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And leave her for the ants.

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Would he tie her down so that she couldn't move?

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Because why wouldn't you just get up and run away from the ants?

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I'm assuming she doesn't have that capability?

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Well, you would hope, but you just said she covered it, and then they would soak paper in oil and stuff it between her toes and set those on fire.

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Yeah, that I mean.

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Feet are gross to begin with.

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Those are going to be really raunchy.

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So Elizabeth picked up some of these habits.

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Well, yeah, she apparently liked it too.

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But get this the really bad stuff she wasn't accused of until after she died, right?

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Wait, uh, it's kind of like uh letting the wind out of the sails pope formosus, let's, uh, let's not formosus.

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Look at that drawback bringing it back.

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It's like you know what we're not gonna accuse you till you're dead.

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Yes, fucking clowns if you don't know, Pope Formosus was an origin of weird story.

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Yeah.

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They put a dead Pope on trial.

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Sure did Literally put him on trial in his throne, in his throne, anyways.

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Okay, so it wasn't that shocking at the time for servants to be treated this way?

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Well, no, because they were literally property of.

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It was a master servant relationship.

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Super uh, violent yep and there is a story of a servant pulling your hair while she was being brushed, oh dear, and she like turned around and hit her servant.

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But that was pretty normal.

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Yeah, but she didn't light shit between her toes well, not in this story.

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Well not yet, at at least.

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Plus, as a noble, she can basically do whatever she wants.

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Well, yeah, she's in charge.

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She could kill a servant.

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It'd be okay and she would literally just pay a fine to the family and that's it.

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Yeah, which is wild, and she was wealthy AF, so, yeah, so when they finally did charge elizabeth with crimes, it wasn't about the servants, no, it was about killing noble kids.

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Okay, and that was a much bigger deal well, yeah, because they're nobles yes, and that's not to say she, like, wasn't cruel to her servants.

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It was just harder to prove those stories since there's not a lot of evidence well, and not only that, that obviously the nobles are going to be a lot more watched, or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Whereas these servants and common folk, or whatever you want to call them, nobody fucking knows.

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No.

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And she got a kick out of it.

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She actually enjoyed causing this pain.

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Yeah.

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And there's this story about her husband giving her a black claw, or out of like a dragon myth, to scratch up her victims.

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Sure, they said that she also this is icky, icky, icky push needles under the servant's fingernails.

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That just gives me the willies.

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I don't like thinking about that stuff.

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Poke underneath your fingernail, just shove it in there.

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Get in there nice and deep and deep.

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That is dodgeball.

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Bringing it back, there's even a story that she broke a servant's arm.

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Like she, it sounded like she, I would rather have my arm broken than shit shoved under my fingernails, I'd rather have you break both my arms than one fingernail gets something shoved under Fuck that.

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Good Lord.

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That seems like a fucking holiday compared to the fingernail thing.

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Yes, so of course they couldn't just blame her for these things.

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They had to drag other people into it?

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Yeah, of course.

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So there were rumors that she'd learned Satanism and witchcraft from family members as a kid.

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Oh jeez, and they didn't charge her with witchcraft like they did with other rebellious women.

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Yeah, they went straight for torture and murder.

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Oh, so there was a woman named Anna Darvola.

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There's a lot of people named Anna in this story.

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There's two Okay.

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There's three.

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There's the mother.

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And you named another Anna, and now you're named a third.

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Who's the other, anna I?

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don't recall.

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Was it her daughter?

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Yes.

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Was it her daughter Anna?

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I don't remember I think that sounds right.

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Yes, that sounds right.

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I don't know, I'm lost now.

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That's why I said don't worry about it, but either way, so this woman Anna, they called her Darvulia.

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Darvulia yes, what does that mean?

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She was, I don't know.

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Was that in a part of your research?

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Her name is Anna Darvulia Darvulia Voila Voila.

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Voila.

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Darvulia, Voila, Voila, Voila, but they like shortened it to Darvulia Sure, I don't know that's fine, but I mean Elizabeth has Betty Elizabeth, Eliza, Liz, Libby Beth.

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Beth.

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There's so many, okay, anyway.

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Iterations yes.

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Darvulia was Elizabeth's right-hand woman.

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She was her confidant.

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Do we know who her left-hand woman was?

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Fuck off.

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People said that Darvulia taught Elizabeth everything she knew about torture and showed other servants how to help.

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So you got one story where the husband's teaching her these things, and then you've got another story of darvulia teaching her all these things so the common denominator is elizabeth knows how to do these things right, well, okay, why.

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Why do they?

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Why did they think this darvulia person taught her?

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Because after Darvulia showed up, Elizabeth got way more brutal.

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Oh, what is, if you even have this, the timeline from when she showed up to when husband got back from war Does that coincide?

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with each other.

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So at one point her husband actually gets injured and is basically like bed bound.

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Oh dear.

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He eventually gets sick and dies of his war injuries.

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So, I'm not quite sure of the overlap.

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Okay.

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But even with Elizabeth knowing some of these torture remedies from her husband, it got so much worse with Darvulia Gotcha.

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Okay, so they claimed so.

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Okay.

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So around this time her husband's health was failing.

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As I said, Elizabeth started inviting young girls from lower, noble families into her gynoceum.

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What's a gynoceum?

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It is basically a women's quarters, oh, but they were completely separate from men.

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It was a place where women gathered, but it was usually young, unmarried women or girls who would come in Were they so.

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It would be like finishing schools.

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They would be taught in these gyneceums how to be proper ladies um manners, dancing, how to run a big house, even learning foreign languages, Sure, and it was basically like a school.

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Yeah, exactly, but it's in this castle, right?

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Yeah, and they called it the gyneceum.

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Okay, I never heard that word before.

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Yes, I haven't either before the story All right.

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So, especially in Hungary, since it was stuck between all these powerful countries, knowing German and Hungarian was pretty much a must if you wanted to marry well.

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So this gyneceum was was prepared for that yeah sure, so they would also learn how to sew or read, play music and just hang out like gab folks, okay, so, wow, gab Gabbing folks, did they watch the Real?

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Housewives of like England or something they were the Real Housewives of England.

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Real Housewives of Hungary.

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But Elizabeth, she was the perfect role model.

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She spoke a bunch of languages, she married well and she was super intelligent and she seemed like the ideal person.

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But the gyneceum was a little bit darker than what people thought.

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Okay, Do tell.

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So people started saying she was luring these girls through her castles to torture them right.

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She had gotten bored of churching her, torturing her servants and she'd run out of local victims and she needed more yeah, so she had to use her status and promises of social climbing to bring these people in yes, to bring these daughters in.

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Sure penny's playing by herself because there's no one else out.

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Throw the spring.

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She loves the spring, she's so cute.

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So these smart, noble women are coming to elizabeth right to be educated.

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Yeah, but what was weird was all the deaths yeah, it's like how do we account for this?

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girls were dying right and left and that's really weird that you said it that way, because most people say left and right it's written as left and right normally, when people are dyslexic, they just change letters not words.

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Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

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That's great.

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These stories did start spreading, about cruelty, starvation, the girls disappearing, showing up with these strange injuries.

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So the girl started dying at elizabeth's place and she tried to brush it off, saying it was fucking cholera seriously oh, there's 20 women here.

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It's just cholera, but come on yeah, that seems unlikely, but okay the number of bodies are piling up at this churchyard and priests are constantly being called.

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Yeah, like hey.

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People are starting to get suspicious.

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What's going on over there in the Yod, yeah, in the Havid Yod.

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Havid Yod, but while her husband Fenric was alive, she was pretty Can we say husband.

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I'm trying to combine husband and fenerick together, that was great husband, fenerick husband, she was untouchable.

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Nobody really dared to openly accuse her of anything they can't, because they're gonna well get fucking killed then yes, but 19 in 1604, fenerick died and this was his serious leg problems, that probably got from the war, from the war okay, he was disabled.

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They're not quite sure what killed him, sure, but they think that might have an effect no, that makes sense.

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I mean that's pretty probable, yeah, don't you think?

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yeah, so so he left Elizabeth and their kids in the care of Grigori Thurzo.

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Thurzo.

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He was a powerful Hungarian guy who was basically like the king's right-hand man.

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Okay.

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Now, even though he was supposed to look after her and the kids.

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He did not.

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Thurzo ended up leaving the investigation into Elizabeth's crimes.

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He led it.

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He led it, so he was trying to get rid of her he was trying to protect her, and then he got involved in someone who wanted to take her over oh, so he.

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He got involved with this person who said hey, yes, I want that spot.

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Yes, fuck her.

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Yes, take me.

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Yes, gotcha so elizabeth was left in charge of all the family's money and the lands, because her son, paul, was just a baby.

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Yeah, um, but that made her a pretty tempting target.

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Things really started to unravel in 1602, when the rumors of her crime started to spread like wildfire.

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Sure, um, but even then the priests of her estates were getting suspicious oh, you know when the priest finally gets suspicious I know they're all like wait a minute this woman and this woman died of cholera.

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See what what's isn't there like a book or a movie called love in the time of cholera?

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okay, yeah I think, yeah, sure, sure.

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What's up?

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Penny Sure.

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So Elizabeth was making things real suspicious when these priests would come over to the castle ask to look at the bodies, and she's like.

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What bodies you?

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can look at their faces.

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Oh really, Mm-hmm, she wouldn't like allow any other like viewing.

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So, basically, she was trying.

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Whether she was or not, it implied she was hiding something that she did to the bodies, yes, whether alive or dead for that matter.

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Um, that's wild, okay yes, so before her husband died, and even for a while after, she was pretty much untouchable.

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Thanks to her connection, her wealth right.

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But someone's finally spoke up a lutheran minister named istvan magyari okay and he publicly accused her both in hungary and in the habsburg court in vienna, oh dear.

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So when I first wrote both in hungary, I was gonna say both in the language Hungary and the German language Hungary, the country.

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But these rumors turned into fact, non-rumors.

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Quote, unquote fact yes, everyone was saying at the time that she was a serial killer well, I mean, if you boil it down to what the shoe fits dad shoes back then what?

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Yeah, sandals?

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They're probably mules, mules.

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Yeah, they're like slip-ons.

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Oh really yeah not nikes.

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No, oh shit, shouldn't wear air jordans at the trial probably not oh shit, in october 1610 she retreated to an isolated castle in the mountains, probably hoping for the winter storms that would keep her from people getting to her.

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Essentially, yeah, but she was also um trying to rally her family for support, especially her cousin gabriel battery, who was prince of transylvania.

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The official investigation kicked off in 1610 when King Matthias II told Gregory Thurzo to investigate, said yo, check this shit out.

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And boy, did they find some things.

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Well, I mean yeah, on some things.

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Well, I mean, yeah, they collected over 300 witness statements by 1611.

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1611.

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I don't know if you understand the gravity of that.

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1611.

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That's an important year, so that's like one a day almost, because you said this started in 1610, right, 10, yeah, okay, wow yeah.

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Jesus okay.

00:18:54.420 --> 00:18:58.589
But there were definitely, like political motives behind all of this.

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There always is.

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Which is why we started off with a deep background.

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Correct Historians have been arguing for centuries about whether or not she was framed right.

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So there are three main theories.

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Okay, money, sure, power, of course, religion always.

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So first money elizabeth was super rich.

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Yep, owned a ton of land yep, thanks to what was her husband's name.

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Fenric.

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Fenric yeah.

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She was a tempting target.

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She was a widow, which made her a little bit more vulnerable.

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Yep and Matthias II had a personal reason.

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What which is.

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Her husband, fenric, had loaned a ton of money to Matthias' predecessor, Okay, and Matthias had inherited his debt.

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Oh, and elizabeth had like been bugging him about it.

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he even went to it like his castle you still owe me some money exactly go knocking on the fucking draw drawbridge or whatever, exactly, yeah, well, I mean the oculus or whatever no, that's attorney thing, that's the attorneyney thing.

00:20:04.776 --> 00:20:05.801
Yeah, the door knocker Either way.

00:20:05.801 --> 00:20:08.186
Door knocker Like Scrooge Marley.

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But guess what?

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Yeah.

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After her arrest, which I'll get to, yeah, the debt magically disappeared, just poof, poof.

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How does that happen?

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It's almost like it was just written off the books.

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So the second theory is power.

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Of course, the Habsburg wanted to control Transylvania, and the batteries were a major obstacle.

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Sure, elizabeth's cousin Sigismund had led a rebellion against them and their other cousin, gabriel, was planning to expand his territory with Elizabeth's support.

00:20:41.815 --> 00:20:44.326
Okay, this is all in Transylvania, right?

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Right?

00:20:44.586 --> 00:20:48.148
So getting rid of her would help the Habsburgs.

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Sure Makes sense.

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So third reason Third theory.

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Third theory Third theory Do tell Was religion Is religion.

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Can you?

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say it the other way Religion.

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Oh well, all right.

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The third theory was religion.

00:21:03.426 --> 00:21:08.761
Third theory was religion the third theory was religion.

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Third theory was some people think it was like a, a protestant catholic thing.

00:21:10.448 --> 00:21:12.413
Okay, um, but that theory is a little bit more shaky.

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Elizabeth had catholic relatives and the first accuser was lutheran, like that, that pre, that lutheran priest sure, he was lutheran.

00:21:21.074 --> 00:21:26.752
So transylvania, transylvania was also pretty tolerant.

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I think I just had a stroke At the time.

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Okay.

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So money and power seemed like the stronger motives, A hundred percent.

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I mean especially back again time frame.

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Wise back then.

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Yeah, Because they always try to utilize power and connections and so on.

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On December 30th 1610, thurzo arrested Elizabeth and five of her servants.

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Okay, because again.

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I know of her, I'm the one who suggested this topic.

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I obviously don't know a lot of specifics and such.

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Yes.

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But I have to pee, pee, let's take a break.

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But what?

00:22:10.823 --> 00:22:21.250
But if I want to say, I remember reading something at one point in my life about her that obviously she was the main person for this.

00:22:21.250 --> 00:22:24.569
Yes, but weren't a lot of her servants implicated in what?

00:22:24.569 --> 00:22:32.080
Yes, okay, so that's what I thought, because they helped her course to people in blah blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

00:22:32.080 --> 00:22:33.724
Yes, so, okay, so I did.

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I am on the right track with that.

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I don't, I'm not misremembering.

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Correct, okay, Okay, perfect.

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Enter collapse.

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On December 30th 1610, thurzo arrested Elizabeth and five of her servants Right.

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They said he caught her torturing someone.

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So he made that probably up.

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Yeah, because she was actually having dinner with guests.

00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.431
Well, she could have been torturing her guests with her Cher impersonation.

00:23:08.153 --> 00:23:08.814
With her what.

00:23:09.035 --> 00:23:10.378
Cher, impersonation With her.

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What Cher?

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impersonation, that was so rude.

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And accurate.

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No my.

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Cher impersonation is fantastic.

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It's on point.

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So, even though he claimed he caught Elizabeth red red-handed, he actually wrote in a letter to his wife that, hey, that she was actually arrested before they found any victims.

00:23:36.589 --> 00:23:39.622
Well, how is that she was?

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framed.

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You know it well.

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That's what it's leaning towards with that comment yeah, let's move on let's continue, let's see what happens let's dig deeper serzo then went around saying he found a dead girl and another one being helped held captive in the in the castle yeah, they're called servants and this made the locals like go crazy and the rumors even crazier.

00:24:05.765 --> 00:24:09.471
To make the local news Probably.

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I mean they got town criers right, hear, ye hear ye Exactly.

00:24:15.146 --> 00:24:22.906
So here's the thing they never showed any actual evidence of a bloody scene anywhere at the trial.

00:24:23.340 --> 00:24:27.367
Well, that doesn't seem to bode well for the prosecution, but okay.

00:24:28.420 --> 00:24:35.352
So Thurzo was either exaggerating or making stuff up about finding Dead Moon Girls.

00:24:35.352 --> 00:24:36.914
But let's be real.

00:24:36.914 --> 00:24:42.140
Thurzo had a lot to gain from Elizabeth's downfall.

00:24:42.140 --> 00:24:47.375
He could grab her estates, her wealth, even though he was only supposed to be her kid's guardian.

00:24:47.596 --> 00:24:47.876
Right.

00:24:47.876 --> 00:24:58.025
He could definitely boost his political career with her downfall 100, even though he was supposed to watch after I know forensic frenic?

00:24:58.025 --> 00:25:03.213
Yeah, did I say it right yeah, when he passed said hey, look after my bitch.

00:25:03.213 --> 00:25:06.246
Yeah, he's like will do fuck her.

00:25:06.246 --> 00:25:10.101
Yeah, I believe that's exactly how it went yeah, there's a quote somewhere.

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Yeah, yeah, there's a quote somewhere.

00:25:13.326 --> 00:25:16.901
But it's like you're supposed to look after this person.

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He's like I could really advance my, my status, my well-being, everything here by fucking her over.

00:25:23.861 --> 00:25:25.223
And who cares about this dumb bitch?

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No one one.

00:25:26.728 --> 00:25:27.209
He don't.

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Well, better kids did.

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But January 1611.

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A good year 1611.

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You were there.

00:25:35.016 --> 00:25:35.436
I was there.

00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:36.523
They went to trial.

00:25:36.523 --> 00:25:37.386
Fuck yeah, they did.

00:25:37.386 --> 00:25:37.848
I was there.

00:25:37.848 --> 00:25:42.371
The witness testimonies were a big deal, but most of them were just hearsay.

00:25:42.371 --> 00:25:44.507
All secondhand stories.

00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:46.488
Wasn't everything back then hearsay?

00:25:46.488 --> 00:25:51.781
Documentation wasn't so great.

00:25:51.781 --> 00:25:52.222
Well, that's my point.

00:25:52.222 --> 00:26:01.848
That was all fucking hearsay, because literally all they had was just like hey, tell me what you know about this person and they would coerce him into certain.

00:26:01.848 --> 00:26:03.333
Yes, shit as well.

00:26:03.333 --> 00:26:04.761
Oh, coercion does happen.

00:26:04.761 --> 00:26:06.266
Oh, I mean it happens.

00:26:06.266 --> 00:26:07.588
Could you imagine?

00:26:07.628 --> 00:26:09.813
what it was 400 fucking years ago.

00:26:09.813 --> 00:26:15.932
So they said that the victims were mostly girls aged 10 to 14 years old.

00:26:16.314 --> 00:26:16.934
That's pretty young.

00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:22.593
All from lower no-book families who had been sent to Elizabeth's gyneceum that's the word.

00:26:22.593 --> 00:26:26.105
Some witnesses said they had relatives who had died there.

00:26:26.625 --> 00:26:27.247
From cholera.

00:26:27.446 --> 00:26:33.323
Mm-hmm, or that they'd seen signs of torture on bodies in the graveyards Right.

00:26:33.323 --> 00:26:39.973
Out of all the witnesses, only three people over 300 people were called right.

00:26:39.973 --> 00:26:42.963
And three of those 300?

00:26:42.963 --> 00:26:45.730
Three of the 300 gave firsthand testimony.

00:26:45.730 --> 00:26:48.551
That's like 1% yes.

00:26:48.551 --> 00:26:49.559
Two of like 1% yes.

00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:56.162
Two of them were court officials, oh, and they claimed that they saw Elizabeth torturing and killing the girls.

00:26:56.162 --> 00:27:01.586
One of them mentioned a girl with burns on her hands, but they didn't say how she got them.

00:27:02.729 --> 00:27:03.171
Oil in the.

00:27:04.001 --> 00:27:05.888
Yeah, kitchen accident Hello.

00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:07.405
I mean, I have those all the time.

00:27:08.380 --> 00:27:12.044
Yeah, you do, you hit your head on everything, you, you do.

00:27:12.044 --> 00:27:19.746
You have a big noggin and I'm tall yeah, you're, you're very tall, but who knows?

00:27:19.746 --> 00:27:24.644
They didn't have any proof I wish I was taller there was yes, what are you?

00:27:24.644 --> 00:27:29.614
Six, one, six, three, six, that you're six, three, yes, and you wanted to be six, five.

00:27:29.634 --> 00:27:31.282
I did yeah, so sorry.

00:27:31.343 --> 00:27:35.250
I wish I was a little bit taller do you think xavier is gonna be six, five?

00:27:35.270 --> 00:27:41.491
I hope so maybe that's why I was put on this earth to give xavier the height of six.

00:27:41.491 --> 00:27:41.732
Five.

00:27:41.732 --> 00:27:45.746
That's what I don't know why, when I was little.

00:27:45.746 --> 00:27:50.471
For some reason, I want to grow up to be 6'5".

00:27:50.873 --> 00:27:51.314
Penny.

00:27:51.834 --> 00:27:55.424
P-p-p-penny, p-p-p-penny and the Jets.

00:27:56.567 --> 00:27:56.887
Penny.

00:27:57.470 --> 00:27:57.891
Penny.

00:27:58.632 --> 00:27:58.893
Penny.

00:27:59.381 --> 00:28:03.115
I will throw something at you.

00:28:03.115 --> 00:28:04.164
Hey, Sheldon.

00:28:04.164 --> 00:28:06.564
Okay, let's move on.

00:28:06.564 --> 00:28:07.468
That's got to stay in now.

00:28:09.560 --> 00:28:15.505
Okay, then there was this girl named Anna, another Anna, yes, who said Elizabeth heard her.

00:28:15.705 --> 00:28:15.967
Okay.

00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:21.673
She got paid off with land and money and she kept changing her story so that ain't legit.

00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.651
So they still gave her the land, even though her story kept fucking changing.

00:28:27.288 --> 00:28:30.743
They gave her the land to testify against elizabeth.

00:28:31.144 --> 00:28:31.444
So what?

00:28:31.444 --> 00:28:33.108
I would fucking take that shit back.

00:28:33.108 --> 00:28:33.789
Fuck you, bitch.

00:28:33.789 --> 00:28:37.686
We told you to do one thing, you did another no, she didn't.

00:28:37.948 --> 00:28:39.372
Well, I mean, she kept changing her story.

00:28:39.372 --> 00:28:39.854
That's my point.

00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.463
So she kept changing it.

00:28:41.463 --> 00:28:44.009
So it's like, yeah, no, incriminate this bitch.

00:28:44.009 --> 00:28:45.840
Yeah, seriously, that's all we want.

00:28:45.840 --> 00:28:49.428
Just make shit up up, make it believable, burp, whatever.

00:28:50.128 --> 00:28:58.502
During the trial during the trial Elizabeth's servants threw out a number.

00:28:59.226 --> 00:28:59.527
Twelve.

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Of victims.

00:29:01.325 --> 00:29:01.645
Oh, okay.

00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:03.604
Can you guess how many victims?

00:29:03.604 --> 00:29:10.589
Just guess how many victims that these servants said that elizabeth had.

00:29:10.589 --> 00:29:15.653
I wish this was on video I wish this was.

00:29:15.894 --> 00:29:17.577
I wish this whole episode was on video.

00:29:17.577 --> 00:29:57.145
I'm so sorry people 112 higher 633 higher 1222 650, I was fucking close, you were close damn it as soon as I said higher, I was like you're gonna overshoot, but 650 victims that's what these servants are saying you know, what's really funny is I was gonna go 666 and I really wish she would have made it to that okay worship the goat one servant girl yes said, a court official found one of elizabeth's books and what book?

00:29:57.185 --> 00:30:17.332
like a journal type, of thing, okay, this book was never shown in court that doesn't make sense, then nope, because then they never found it it was never official nothing but, in this book it said that the number of victims that she had was around 50 or 60 people, but again never shown.

00:30:18.093 --> 00:30:18.875
So how?

00:30:18.934 --> 00:30:19.299
can you?

00:30:19.299 --> 00:30:29.269
I know times are different, I understand that, but even back then, how the fuck could you be like hey, found this book, take my word on it, right?

00:30:29.269 --> 00:30:31.705
It's like fuck you, dude, show me the fucking evidence.

00:30:31.705 --> 00:30:33.373
There's literally no proof.

00:30:33.373 --> 00:30:37.248
Yeah, because you could have said anything, then literally anything.

00:30:37.248 --> 00:30:40.859
And it's like oh, by the way, she said she'd give me a handy after the trial too.

00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:42.461
I mean, what the fuck?

00:30:42.461 --> 00:30:45.306
I mean, that's how stupid.

00:30:45.306 --> 00:30:48.368
That's why I'm saying that is because that is so fucking dumb, so stupid.

00:30:49.170 --> 00:30:53.955
So two of Elizabeth's servants that testified, yeah, confessed.

00:30:55.761 --> 00:30:58.906
Oh, scandalous, but Fucking loyal Not.

00:30:59.508 --> 00:31:00.288
But, yes.

00:31:00.288 --> 00:31:03.575
They were tortured into confessing.

00:31:03.819 --> 00:31:03.980
See.

00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:15.387
They ripped their fingers out with hot pinchers and then burned them alive until they confessed.

00:31:15.407 --> 00:31:19.357
Anybody's gonna say anything at that I, I would say that I fucking helped her with that.

00:31:19.659 --> 00:31:27.431
If someone did that to me today and I was born in 1979 I would say I helped her.

00:31:27.431 --> 00:31:31.115
Fuck, that is so dumb, so dumb.

00:31:31.115 --> 00:31:35.372
Oh my word, I'm gonna have a lot of editing to do with these loud talks.

00:31:35.372 --> 00:31:38.669
I mean, how fucking stupid is that?

00:31:38.669 --> 00:31:41.067
No shit, they're gonna fucking confess.

00:31:41.067 --> 00:31:43.788
You're literally burning them alive.

00:31:43.788 --> 00:31:47.210
Hey, would you like some serving sandwich?

00:31:47.210 --> 00:31:48.685
I got some fresh out of the oven.

00:31:48.685 --> 00:31:52.665
I mean, for fuck's sake, Okay, let me rewind.

00:31:52.685 --> 00:31:53.407
Let me rewind.

00:31:53.407 --> 00:31:59.527
They were burned alive after confession.

00:31:59.527 --> 00:32:03.705
What, my apologies.

00:32:03.705 --> 00:32:06.628
They were burned alive after they confessed.

00:32:06.628 --> 00:32:11.209
Oh their fingers were pulled apart.

00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.306
You did not make that clear at all.

00:32:14.365 --> 00:32:18.453
I didn't so wait.

00:32:18.453 --> 00:32:24.208
Their fingers were pulled apart, torture they confessed, and then they were burned alive.

00:32:24.208 --> 00:32:24.970
Why?

00:32:24.970 --> 00:32:28.127
Their job here is done.

00:32:28.127 --> 00:32:34.621
Thank you for your service.

00:32:34.621 --> 00:32:41.820
Another service another servant named yanos another yanos was executed too seriously, how many fucking yanos are there?

00:32:41.820 --> 00:32:43.723
But he got a less painful death.

00:32:43.723 --> 00:32:46.469
He got his, he got like, he got like beheaded.

00:32:46.469 --> 00:32:47.810
Thank, God.

00:32:47.810 --> 00:32:54.191
Because he was a man, probably, but he was thrown in the fire with the women too.

00:32:54.310 --> 00:33:00.529
Afterwards he was already dead but here's the body in the fire that's so degrading to have to be burned, with the women I mean, come on.

00:33:01.780 --> 00:33:06.553
Then there was Ursi, who was called a witch, another servant.

00:33:06.553 --> 00:33:09.789
They burned her alive after she tried to escape.

00:33:09.789 --> 00:33:14.811
And then, finally, Katerina, who was an old washerwoman.

00:33:14.811 --> 00:33:20.472
She got life in prison because they found out she was being abused by other servants.

00:33:20.472 --> 00:33:21.951
So she was in on it.

00:33:21.990 --> 00:33:24.265
But she was abused by others, but she was kind of forced.

00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.378
Yes, forced into it All this is fucking wild.

00:33:27.378 --> 00:33:30.787
And then there is a sixth person, Anna.

00:33:31.647 --> 00:33:32.630
Darvulia.

00:33:32.730 --> 00:33:34.273
Another Anna, no Darvulia.

00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:36.607
Oh, darvulia, yeah, we go way back.

00:33:37.721 --> 00:33:43.394
They said that she was really evil, but she died before they were even arrested.

00:33:45.462 --> 00:33:46.065
Good for her?

00:33:46.065 --> 00:34:07.343
Yeah, because she would have been in for a world of fucking hurt before she died but the servants under torture said that Anna taught Elizabeth with witchcraft and torture methods of course you can't trust any of these confessions because they're under fucking torture and then they're like let's just blame the dead lady because she can't defend herself.

00:34:07.564 --> 00:34:08.748
She can't defend herself.

00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:12.588
She can't say anything anymore, yeah, no, exactly, that's fucking wild.

00:34:13.831 --> 00:34:14.112
Wow.

00:34:14.112 --> 00:34:18.530
So eventually the servants did start blaming Elizabeth herself.

00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:20.527
Well, of course, because they have no one left to fucking.

00:34:20.527 --> 00:34:22.226
No, no one left to blame.

00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:23.498
But she tried to clear her name.

00:34:23.498 --> 00:34:27.472
She even asked a dead girl's mother to say her daughter had died naturally.

00:34:27.472 --> 00:34:36.202
When the cholera story didn't work, she blamed one of the girls, then all the servants, saying they were too sadistic for her control.

00:34:36.202 --> 00:34:37.003
Oh dear.

00:34:37.085 --> 00:34:45.231
But the rumors were already like running rampant well, and that's the thing, especially back then, I mean because, god forbid, we have straight and narrow media these days.

00:34:45.231 --> 00:35:08.016
It only tells the truth exactly would never run a narrative that would be cited on one or the other so clearly back then, not so much the case people were saying that she used hot tongs oh geez, needles freezing water to torture girls some even said they freeze the water back then fucking ice where they get the ice from I don't know.

00:35:08.056 --> 00:35:12.632
There's companies the freezer, I mean, I know in the wild west.

00:35:12.632 --> 00:35:21.514
They had companies that would deliver did you know the town I grew up in actually um, pewaukee?

00:35:21.514 --> 00:35:31.054
Yes, the town I grew up in, pewaukee, for milwaukee back in the day, they actually um came out to pewaukee lake and did that.

00:35:31.054 --> 00:35:35.701
Yeah, that's where they harvested a lot of big ice blocks that's awesome and brought them down to milwaukee.

00:35:35.701 --> 00:35:38.889
Yeah, I think it was tomorrow, but yeah anyways that's cool.

00:35:39.070 --> 00:35:47.498
Yeah, so when the colorist story didn't work, she blamed one of the girls, then all the servants, but the rumors were.

00:35:47.498 --> 00:35:49.358
I already said all that, so let's skip that.

00:35:49.621 --> 00:35:50.865
I'm not really sure why you're saying it again.

00:35:51.960 --> 00:36:06.088
Some said she'd tear their skin off with her teeth and then bathe in their blood for beauty and that is the main thing, and that's why she's very associated with vampires.

00:36:06.349 --> 00:36:27.585
Yes, and called the blood countess, because the whole rumor, besides everything else you've gone over, which a lot of it, is news to me, so I appreciate this, um, but yes, the reason why she's called the blood countess I'm so sorry folks, he's uncontrollable.

00:36:27.585 --> 00:36:33.210
All right, I am so fucking doing.

00:36:33.210 --> 00:36:35.914
A burp track, a Kate burp track.

00:36:35.914 --> 00:36:42.090
Fuck you for that, jesus Christ.

00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:47.472
And again derailed.

00:36:48.380 --> 00:36:52.349
No, you're not, I don't mean to derail you.

00:36:52.349 --> 00:36:57.706
You know her as the blood countess, the one who was bathing in blood.

00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:01.358
Yes, are you okay?

00:37:01.358 --> 00:37:03.766
You want me to continue?

00:37:03.766 --> 00:37:12.032
She was very closely associated with vampire vampires.

00:37:12.032 --> 00:37:20.914
Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because the rumor was she was bathing in virgin noble's blood.

00:37:20.914 --> 00:37:30.436
Blah, whatever the hell variation you want to come up with to help her stay young and, um, not age, so on.

00:37:30.436 --> 00:37:42.902
I mean that's all right, I'm talking that's gonna be on there too, but uh, yeah, I mean that was like the whole lore rumor, whatever you want to come up with for a word there.

00:37:42.902 --> 00:37:49.293
But yeah, so it sounds like a lot of just bullshit.

00:37:50.094 --> 00:37:52.286
It is, it's framed bullshit.

00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.648
I mean, could she have been sadistic?

00:37:55.648 --> 00:37:58.284
Yes, obviously Was she probably.

00:37:58.284 --> 00:38:02.385
Yes, probably Did she do all these things?

00:38:02.385 --> 00:38:05.284
Probably not, we don't know.

00:38:05.619 --> 00:38:07.847
Or the extent, the numbers no.

00:38:08.179 --> 00:38:08.862
To that degree?

00:38:08.862 --> 00:38:10.106
Probably not, probably not.

00:38:10.106 --> 00:38:11.250
No, did she do one?

00:38:11.250 --> 00:38:13.726
Probably did she do 650?

00:38:13.726 --> 00:38:14.748
Probably not.

00:38:15.650 --> 00:38:25.880
But we don't know, and neither today, we don't and we'll never know, honestly so so the servant said that she had like a whole network of people helping her right.

00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:35.672
Noble women were accused of luring girls into the castle and even her daughter, catalin, was removed to have rumored to have like joined in on the torture.

00:38:35.672 --> 00:38:39.612
And they said that Elizabeth had a torture chamber in her dungeons.

00:38:39.773 --> 00:38:40.615
And did they find that?

00:38:40.615 --> 00:38:43.083
No, did they go investigate.

00:38:43.083 --> 00:38:46.492
No, Just like hey, I saw this book.

00:38:46.492 --> 00:38:48.485
You're going to have to take my word for it.

00:38:48.525 --> 00:38:48.726
Yes.

00:38:49.467 --> 00:38:49.829
Okay.

00:38:50.260 --> 00:38:51.465
So get this.

00:38:51.465 --> 00:38:55.530
Only the servants went to trial.

00:38:55.530 --> 00:38:59.306
I'm blown away.

00:38:59.306 --> 00:39:01.447
Elizabeth never went to trial.

00:39:01.447 --> 00:39:03.425
How is that possible?

00:39:03.425 --> 00:39:07.269
So they had two trials for her accomplices.

00:39:08.041 --> 00:39:09.445
Okay, wait, so they had two trials for her accomplices.

00:39:09.445 --> 00:39:14.164
Okay, wait, wasn't elizabeth on trial and they were talking to the servants?

00:39:14.605 --> 00:39:16.489
they were always talking to the servants.

00:39:16.489 --> 00:39:18.492
The servants were on trial.

00:39:18.492 --> 00:39:22.264
Oh, elizabeth was never on trial.

00:39:22.264 --> 00:39:23.826
Is it because she was a noble woman?

00:39:23.826 --> 00:39:35.766
She was denied her rights as a noblewoman, but her son and sons-in-law made a deal with thurzo the guy gunning for her position.

00:39:36.007 --> 00:39:38.871
Yes, yes, yeah and they.

00:39:38.871 --> 00:39:52.364
They wanted to keep like the, the land and the family's name right, so they said let's just send her to a nunnery but didn't, and correct me if I'm wrong and I'm sorry if I'm jumping the gun on this.

00:39:52.364 --> 00:40:04.449
This was and I I don't think I'm mixing this up didn't she basically lack of a better word was retired to a castle yes and she was walled up in it.

00:40:04.449 --> 00:40:08.373
Yes, okay yes, um.

00:40:09.614 --> 00:40:15.172
So they were going to send her to the nunnery, but then they decided on house arrest at her castle exactly.

00:40:15.231 --> 00:40:15.835
Yeah, that's what.

00:40:16.076 --> 00:40:19.306
That's a good way to put it yeah, so king matthias wasn't happy about that.

00:40:19.306 --> 00:40:31.146
He wanted her to stay in trial so he could take her land well, and he didn't care about anything other than just hey put her on trial, so I can remove this from her, but he did agree to house arrest.

00:40:31.166 --> 00:40:31.989
Well then, he's an idiot.

00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:47.681
So Thurzo argued it was the best way to handle a noble woman like Elizabeth Right, especially since a public trial and execution could cause a lot of trouble, including for him, yep, since he was also a Hungarian noble and a Protestant Right.

00:40:47.681 --> 00:41:03.978
So King Matthias, who was worried about upsetting the already rebellious nobles in Transylvania, agreed to house arrest, but only if the Bateri family canceled his debts which was from his predecessor, which is all he wanted, really.

00:41:03.978 --> 00:41:05.784
And Elizabeth's son Paul.

00:41:06.005 --> 00:41:06.608
Said okay.

00:41:06.688 --> 00:41:07.088
Okay.

00:41:07.088 --> 00:41:19.344
That's wild Now now the details of the house arrest are a little fuzzy because some people, as you said, think that she was bricked up in a room that's, that's part of the lore.

00:41:19.344 --> 00:41:37.393
Yes, yes, but she actually had a bodyguard oh really yes, and she actually did have quite a bit of rain in the castle free rain in the castle but all of this is a little bit speculation, but but what documents have survived?

00:41:37.393 --> 00:41:41.824
Said that she had a bodyguard and it just doesn't make sense that she's walled up can.

00:41:41.903 --> 00:41:45.568
Can I interject onto again?

00:41:45.568 --> 00:41:49.413
I never did this in depth on her.

00:41:49.413 --> 00:41:53.942
Yeah, I've read some fictional things about her, so on.

00:41:53.942 --> 00:42:07.681
One of the things I remember is she was walled up in a tower like all these nobles princesses, whatever, were back in the day, and it was rumored and I could be getting exactly wrong, for what I read.

00:42:07.681 --> 00:42:22.514
It was rumored like when they finally went back in there she wasn't as decomposed as she should have been for when she died Stuff along those lines, like the whole vampire slash, whatever kind of mythology that went behind.

00:42:22.514 --> 00:42:29.590
It is like she should be dead but she's not, or she should be more decomposed but she's not kind of thing.

00:42:29.590 --> 00:42:34.092
That was the thing that I remember from many, many, many, many, many years ago.

00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:37.438
So that wasn't ever something that came up in my reading Right.

00:42:37.438 --> 00:42:45.313
She did end up dying at age 54 on August 21st 1614, while still under house arrest.

00:42:45.353 --> 00:42:45.572
Sure.

00:42:46.355 --> 00:42:46.534
And.

00:42:47.481 --> 00:42:49.547
So she just, she just turned 54.

00:42:49.668 --> 00:42:52.487
Yeah, there's no like, there was no autopsy.

00:42:52.487 --> 00:42:56.846
There's nothing that said like this is how she died, she just died.

00:42:56.865 --> 00:42:57.266
Yeah, right.

00:42:57.708 --> 00:43:02.391
So um I never read anything about like her decomposed corpse or anything like that.

00:43:02.411 --> 00:43:08.987
No of course that was all probably romanticized, you know, completely fabricated.

00:43:08.987 --> 00:43:15.068
That's probably all that ever was.

00:43:15.128 --> 00:43:15.289
Yeah.

00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:34.972
I don't remember what it is I read, it doesn't matter, it was probably just a fictitious tale of this actual person, just like Vlad the Impaler, who wasn't really a fucking vampire, right, but Bram Stoker built him up to be this mythical creature.

00:43:34.972 --> 00:43:42.706
Same thing with those people, with her, it's like well, she died, but her body was whatever.

00:43:42.706 --> 00:43:43.668
I could go on.

00:43:43.668 --> 00:43:45.474
But yeah, no, it's just.

00:43:45.675 --> 00:43:57.088
I think it was just all fictitious shit yeah, it was fabricated correct, yeah and it was just based off a real person is all it is so because she never went to trial.

00:43:57.250 --> 00:44:11.971
Yeah, her kids actually inherited all of her stuff well, good for her kids yes, so the biggest loss for the battery family, besides the bad reputation well right um was that they never got money back from the king.

00:44:11.971 --> 00:44:17.005
I mean, it was a lot of money with interest, but but that seems pretty minor.

00:44:17.447 --> 00:44:25.929
That seems especially because they still made money off of all those lands that they got, so it's not like they were struggling.

00:44:25.929 --> 00:44:28.606
Did they miss out on a big chunk of money?

00:44:29.329 --> 00:44:29.570
Yes.

00:44:31.221 --> 00:44:33.789
But they had no repercussions.

00:44:33.789 --> 00:44:39.146
Nope, they got to lock Mama up Yep In a castle, yep With a bodyguard.

00:44:39.146 --> 00:44:41.750
Free reign, free reign in the in there.

00:44:41.750 --> 00:44:43.335
Who knows what she did with the bodyguard?

00:44:43.335 --> 00:44:44.179
It's speculative.

00:44:44.179 --> 00:44:50.311
I'm just kidding, but you know it's like okay, and we get to keep all this yeah, we're good, yeah.

00:44:50.974 --> 00:44:58.409
So after she died, they supposedly moved her body from the local cemetery because the villagers were like we don't want a serial killer in here.

00:44:59.956 --> 00:45:02.226
Even though that word wasn't coined back then.

00:45:02.387 --> 00:45:05.802
No, it wasn't, but nobody knows where she actually ended up.

00:45:05.983 --> 00:45:06.364
Oh really.

00:45:06.585 --> 00:45:11.324
Yeah, so they don't know if she's at her childhood home, if she's buried deep in the church.

00:45:11.344 --> 00:45:12.387
They have no idea.

00:45:14.172 --> 00:45:22.641
Excavators, excavators, geologists, paleontologists, excavators, diggers.

00:45:22.661 --> 00:45:34.585
They opened a grave at at the castle in 1938, but it was empty sure, so see, and and shit like that is what leads into the whole vampiric yes lore and all that.

00:45:34.606 --> 00:45:40.503
So yeah, so so where elizabeth's body ended up whether she was actually guilty?

00:45:40.503 --> 00:45:46.704
We have no idea so trying to figure out what she did is really like a needle in a haystack we have.

00:45:46.704 --> 00:46:10.139
Well, it's all speculation especially at this point the first written account of her story came out over a hundred years after she died that's wild that it took that long, especially with all the trials and everything at the end of her life and everything that went on with the torture of her servants took a hundred fucking years for someone to find, like you know what I'm bored and then

00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.425
right about this person things were just being made up left and right.

00:46:13.425 --> 00:46:18.373
They were adding all sorts of crazy myths, blood bathing the vampires that's the big.

00:46:18.373 --> 00:46:23.932
Thing yeah, they started um in a book by a jesuit scholar.

00:46:23.932 --> 00:46:40.606
Okay in 1729 it was the first time anyone wrote about battery yeah and he probably heard the story from superstitious like local peasants and just wrote it down without question oh this is just absolute fact and again it's it's always like, especially for history back then.

00:46:40.865 --> 00:46:46.429
I always kind of refer to it as the telephone game yes you tell one person, they tell another.

00:46:46.429 --> 00:46:47.954
Yes, so on so on, so on, so on.

00:46:47.954 --> 00:47:05.650
It gets embellished, things get added, things get removed, so on, and it just fucking morphs into this weird ass fucking story and then in 1742, a hungarian historian wrote a book based on that first book yeah, we'll see about the blood bathing.

00:47:05.789 --> 00:47:14.099
So the the myth just spread like wildfire and that's and that's exactly what I was just saying is the fact that you have no basis for this.

00:47:14.099 --> 00:47:20.233
You're basing it off of a fictional thing, anyways, yes, and then you're fucking compounding that to the nth degree.

00:47:20.233 --> 00:47:23.829
It's like well, clearly you're not going to get shit right.

00:47:24.659 --> 00:47:34.271
So by the time they finally published the actual records in 1817, blood drinking and vampire stories were already set in stone.

00:47:34.271 --> 00:47:37.610
Even though they weren't in trial records, they did stick around.

00:47:38.302 --> 00:47:44.027
So, Elizabeth's bloodthirsty reputation really took off during the vampire scare in the 18th century.

00:47:44.027 --> 00:47:57.778
Vampires were a big deal in Eastern European folklore, but during the 17th and 18th centuries, with all the famine, the disease, social problems, people got super scared and started believing in all sorts of superstitions.

00:47:57.778 --> 00:48:12.309
Right so, even though it was supposed to be the age of reason, people were obsessed with the empires 100 and, like the, the um austrio-hungarian government was actually writing official reports about vampire outbreaks.

00:48:12.510 --> 00:48:13.132
Isn't that funny?

00:48:13.132 --> 00:48:15.039
Like that should be a story in itself?

00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:15.985
Probably is.

00:48:15.985 --> 00:48:19.702
Scholars were publishing academic papers on this.

00:48:19.702 --> 00:48:26.384
Witchcraft, magic and demons were also popular explanations for all the bad stuff happening back then.

00:48:26.384 --> 00:48:46.487
Yeah, um, if you recall, when we were talking about um the black plague, there was a comet in the sky and they're like that's a bad omen well, just like, yeah, game of thrones, dragons are here but it was the whole like living corpse thing that the vampires, that they really people really freaked out well, it's just like the idiom like uh, save a bell.

00:48:47.971 --> 00:48:49.936
Yes, I told you about yes, yes, yes.

00:48:50.777 --> 00:48:55.407
So vampires started showing up in poems and then became main characters in gothic novels.

00:48:55.407 --> 00:49:03.688
There was um a writing called the vampire from 1819 by john william polidori was it spelled with a y?

00:49:03.688 --> 00:49:27.567
Yes, vampire was spelt with a y fuck yeah that story came from the same place that mary shelley wrote fankenstein yeah yeah, and all that macabre stuff in literature pretty much turned Elizabeth into a caricature Right, and the vampire thing led to all sorts of crazy rumors about her even being a lesbian and having satanic connections.

00:49:27.567 --> 00:49:27.969
I don't know.

00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.019
That's how I always think about my vampires.

00:49:30.742 --> 00:49:35.313
But those stories about cults and demons came from the idea that women weren't supposed to be violent.

00:49:35.313 --> 00:49:38.248
They couldn't even be violent on their own.

00:49:38.248 --> 00:49:41.347
They had to be influenced by something supernatural.

00:49:41.588 --> 00:49:42.632
Or a man yeah.

00:49:43.061 --> 00:49:49.487
So maybe it's just easier for people to think of her as a monster than to admit like regular women could do these things.

00:49:49.989 --> 00:49:53.889
Right, well, and again, did she do some of these Probably.

00:49:53.889 --> 00:49:57.068
Probably, Did she do it to the extent that you just went over?

00:49:57.579 --> 00:50:00.782
Probably, not so probably did she do it to the extent that you just went over, probably not, so we kind of brought this up earlier.

00:50:00.782 --> 00:50:05.092
But she was said to have also been inspired.

00:50:05.092 --> 00:50:10.664
Um, she inspired bram stroker's dracula well, along with vlad the impaler.

00:50:10.664 --> 00:50:17.545
She had that transylvanian connection and the blood thing, but that's really all that was said.

00:50:17.545 --> 00:50:20.873
There's no proof that Stoker even knew about her.

00:50:21.139 --> 00:50:23.047
No, and he probably didn't honestly.

00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:27.492
But she still had the nickname the Blood Countess and the Countess Dracula, yes.

00:50:27.492 --> 00:50:33.492
So people today are still kind of obsessed with the Bloody Countess version.

00:50:33.492 --> 00:50:47.923
Movies are portraying her as a vampire and Guinness Book of world records even called her the most prolific female murderer, even though there's barely any evidence see, how can you do that when you have no fucking evidence?

00:50:47.943 --> 00:51:01.873
yes I mean that's dumb so she's wealthy, she's powerful, she's accused of witchcraft, but the sheer scale of her crimes are just super hard to believe.

00:51:01.873 --> 00:51:04.929
Mostly they're made up right.

00:51:04.929 --> 00:51:11.440
So we're dealing with a lot of rumors, a lot of hearsay, and it's super tricky.

00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:16.552
But on one hand it looks like she was caught in a conspiracy.

00:51:16.552 --> 00:51:19.588
There was zero evidence of torture, of murder.

00:51:19.588 --> 00:51:25.139
She never got to speak for herself, she was never put on trial, which is still kind of wild.

00:51:25.139 --> 00:51:30.413
The whole investigation was run by guys who had a lot to gain by framing her Yep.

00:51:30.413 --> 00:51:36.773
The king wanted his death gone, Transylvania under his thumb, and Thurzo wanted her money Yep.

00:51:37.541 --> 00:51:49.628
So her story got lost in all this political drama yeah, which is funny because everyone focused on the fictitious vampiric whatever you want to call it side of it.

00:51:49.628 --> 00:51:57.530
But yet, literally in plain sight, all these people are just trying to fuck her over, whether she she did this or not.

00:51:57.530 --> 00:51:59.012
That's irrelevant at this point.

00:51:59.012 --> 00:52:04.487
They're just like we're going to say she did, because my debt's gone, I get this land, so on, so on, so on.

00:52:04.487 --> 00:52:06.085
It's like cool.

00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:11.592
But it's also hard to ignore that she was probably cruel to her servants.

00:52:11.592 --> 00:52:14.230
Oh sure, too many girls died at her place to be of coincidence, but there was cholera.

00:52:14.230 --> 00:52:17.860
Too many girls died at her place to be of coincidence, but there was cholera.

00:52:17.860 --> 00:52:22.847
So the 650 number obviously is way off.

00:52:22.847 --> 00:52:23.668
It's probably closer to 50.

00:52:23.668 --> 00:52:25.311
That is so inflated.

00:52:25.311 --> 00:52:26.793
That's still a ton of people.

00:52:26.873 --> 00:52:28.375
I mean yeah.

00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.465
That's still a serial killer, if not like a mass murder, but the whole blood-bathing vampire thing.

00:52:35.465 --> 00:52:40.333
That's more about her being from Transylvania than actually being a monster.

00:52:40.414 --> 00:52:41.014
It's just lore.

00:52:41.601 --> 00:52:46.413
But we are never going to know how many people she actually hurt or killed.

00:52:46.413 --> 00:52:51.074
So everything is just the rumors are just fill in the blanks.

00:52:51.074 --> 00:52:52.619
Essentially Yep 100%.

00:52:52.659 --> 00:52:54.025
So, personally.

00:52:54.025 --> 00:52:54.547
Yes.

00:52:55.340 --> 00:52:56.706
Was she a cold-blooded killer?

00:52:56.706 --> 00:53:01.331
Or was she just a powerful lady with a lot of enemies?

00:53:01.331 --> 00:53:03.994
Or was she both?

00:53:04.076 --> 00:53:05.530
I guess I was going to say, a mix of both.

00:53:05.710 --> 00:53:05.851
Yeah.

00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:14.489
I think she, from the evidence that we have uncovered here today, I clearly don't think she was just a cold-blooded killer.

00:53:14.489 --> 00:53:22.289
I think she had maybe a little sadistic uh power trip yeah and maybe fucked with some shit.

00:53:22.289 --> 00:53:25.835
No way in fuck she killed that many people.

00:53:25.835 --> 00:53:30.262
Yeah, 50, sure that's even a stretch, but again, who knows?

00:53:30.262 --> 00:53:32.344
Not 650?

00:53:32.344 --> 00:53:34.606
No, I don't believe that no bit.

00:53:34.606 --> 00:53:41.574
And it's funny how her husband comes back from war, teaches her these things allegedly.

00:53:41.815 --> 00:53:42.615
Dravulia.

00:53:42.635 --> 00:53:43.996
Dravulia.

00:53:43.996 --> 00:53:47.480
And then, what was the chick's name, dravulia?

00:53:47.659 --> 00:53:48.722
Oh, that's the chick's name.

00:53:48.722 --> 00:53:49.746
I'm sorry, that's okay.

00:53:49.746 --> 00:53:51.530
Yes, goddamn Anna Dravulia.

00:53:51.650 --> 00:53:53.880
Yes, and then she shows up.

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Yes, and then she shows up yes.

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Do you find it funny that she's a woman and they blamed her to coerce, corrupt?

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Whatever you want to say this woman of power.

00:54:05.485 --> 00:54:05.666
Yeah.

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Husband came back from fucking war Literally war where they did unspeakable things, especially back then In the late 15, early 1600s, whatever it was, but yet they blamed a woman Product of the times.

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Yeah, is it not?

00:54:21.634 --> 00:54:24.416
Yeah, so no, I don't.

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I think maybe it's a I'm not even saying a 50-50 combination Combination, but maybe 2020.

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More about the enemies rather than the.

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It's very politically motivated.

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Yeah, because look at what, look at what all those people had to gain yeah, no debt, more land, more power.

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More money.

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Fuck her.

00:54:45.251 --> 00:54:45.791
Yep.

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So yeah, crazy.

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This is funny, but I mean it's me being a fan of Anne Rice and all that A character that had that mystique built around her, whether it's true or not, which clearly it's not.

00:54:56.150 --> 00:55:11.385
Yeah, I mean you know that had that mystique built around her, whether it's true or not, which clearly it's not, yeah, I mean you could tell, I mean anyone who just took that for oh, it's got to be right, she was a vampire and bathed in virgin's blood and all this stuff and whatever.

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Well then, you're a fucking idiot Either way.

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Kate's yawning.

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I've been talking a lot.

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It's a long episode, it is a long episode.

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If you stayed this far, we appreciate you.

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Thank you for listening thanks, tara yes, tara is uh our number one fan.

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No, she's awesome.

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I really appreciate her feedback on her episodes and I like her interaction with us on that, so it's pretty great.

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So I rather enjoy it yeah, so hopefully you've stayed this far.

00:55:43.733 --> 00:55:45.103
This was a long episode.

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I was kind of going back and forth and back and forth on this, trying to figure out if I wanted to do a two-parter or a single and or cut some or even just like scrap it for another time well, I'm glad you didn't cut anything out, though, because I feel like that's a disservice to the story kind of thing.

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I understand it's a longer episode and that's fine.

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And to everyone who made it this far, huzzah.

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Thank you, I suppose.

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