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Sept. 24, 2024

The Tale Of The Baby Thief

The Tale Of The Baby Thief
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Season 1

Ever wondered how a simple cooking mishap could lead to a near kitchen fire? Well, Kate's kitchen catastrophes will have you in stitches as she recounts her hilarious adventures with exploding eggs and the necessity of a fire extinguisher. From getting sidetracked while cooking to the trials of catering to picky eaters, join us as we share laugh-out-loud moments and the joy of experimenting with new recipes. It's a true rollercoaster ride through the ups and downs of home cooking that you won't want to miss!

But hold onto your spatulas, because the tone takes a dramatic turn as we unravel the chilling story of Georgia Tan, the infamous baby thief who ran the Tennessee Children's Home Society. We'll guide you through her manipulative rise to power, her disturbing political ties, and the severe abuse suffered by the children under her care. With over 12,000 illegal adoptions and an estimated 500 child deaths linked to her actions, Georgia's dark legacy is a haunting chapter in American history that demands attention.

And in an especially poignant segment, we delve into the heart-wrenching stories of families torn apart by Georgia Tan's deeds. Discover the tragic tale of 19 children buried in a mass grave and the far-reaching impact of Tan's adoption scandals on birth families and adoptees alike. We also touch on the eventual reforms that arose from these dark times, bringing a glimmer of hope to an otherwise somber narrative. Plus, we wrap up with a lighter note on the reluctance to try a particular beer, providing a bit of levity after such heavy topics. Join us for a thought-provoking and emotionally charged episode of History Buffoons.

Title inspired by Bradley's favorite author, Anne Rice.


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The Baby Thief: The Untold Story of Georgia Tann, the Baby Seller Who Corrupted Adoption Kindle Edition

by Barbara Bisantz Raymond (Author

https://amzn.to/4dSXepZ

For 20 years, a Tennessee baby thief kidnapped more than 5,000 children from the streets, hospitals, and shanty towns of Memphis. Now, 70 years later, survivors of her 'house of horrors' are confronting the past.

Erika Celeste 

https://www.businessinsider.com/georgia-tann-tennessee-children-home-society-survivors-speak-out-2019-12


GEORGIA TANN: A STORY OF STOLEN BABIES

By Lois Cooper

https://www.nchgs.org/html/a_story_of_stolen_babies.html




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Chapters

00:00 - Cooking, Picky Eating, and Craft Cocktails

13:48 - Child Trafficking in Tennessee

30:02 - Georgia Tann and the Tennessee Scandal"

44:12 - Georgia Tann and Adoption Scandal

Transcript
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Oh, where's my Modelo.

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This is weird.

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Well, you probably have some in there.

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This is weird.

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I can't even explain it, it's so weird.

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I'd like you to try.

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I really have no words.

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But yet you keep talking.

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Oh hey there, oh hey there, oh hey there.

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Welcome to History Buffoons.

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How are you, Kate?

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Did we even say that we're History Buffoons in our last episode?

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You know, I swear we'll get this right someday.

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We're trying our best, we're learning as we go.

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We forget sometimes especially you.

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We're learning as we go.

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We forget sometimes, yeah, we are Especially you.

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Well, it's not wrong.

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I mean, when it's right, it's right.

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So I'm cooking burgers tonight and I don't cook.

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No, it's not something.

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It's not your forte, it's not my forte.

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I don't like it.

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I've had eggs explode on me.

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I've had fire started.

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I've had my husband bring home a fire extinguisher just in case, just oh, kate's cooking tonight, I should bring home the fire extinguisher yes, it's I.

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so what happens is I start cooking something in the kitchen and then I go do something like real quick, you get sidetracked, and then I get sidetracked and I forget that I'm cooking I get that it happens all the time with boiling water it's just overflowing.

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Good thing I hear it, didn't you tell me?

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You left the house once?

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Yes, that was the eggs exploding.

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That was the eggs exploding.

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Yeah, okay, that's what it was.

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It was with my ex-husband, but I was by myself and I was like I'm going to dye some Easter eggs Because, as an adult, when have I ever None?

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I don't know what was in my brain that day no kids do that.

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Exactly.

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Well, I am kind of a child sometimes, anyway, sometimes.

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So I'm boiling like six eggs and I get a call from an acquaintance and she's like, hey, I'm going to be at the bar and it was lock stock and barrel in Decatur, illinois, that's the name of the bar, lock stock and barrel and it was on campus Um, there's Milliken campus.

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It's a private school, um, but that's where all the college kids hang hung out, and I was a little bit older than that, but I'm like she was young.

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So I'm like, okay, whatever, let's go.

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I go and we're having a good time just chatting, just the two of us.

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And I get a call from my ex-husband and he goes.

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So, uh, like he's asking me these questions.

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He's not telling me what's happening, he's asking me so what were you cooking?

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I'm like, oh shit.

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Way to go.

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I was like eggs, he goes.

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Yeah, you didn't remove them from the stove.

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Right.

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And they exploded.

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They are all over the ceiling, all over the grates, all over the exhaust fan.

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You need to come home and pick this up.

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I'm like Jesus Christ.

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You're even sitting, sitting having some beverages.

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I was having a beverage, yeah, and I came home expecting like the worst smell.

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I was expecting like a burnt pan, sauce pan, but there was nothing.

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It didn't smell like eggs.

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That's strange.

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The pan was fine.

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Yes, there were eggs exploded, but it was easy to clean up.

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It was really bizarre that's.

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I wouldn't have guessed that so for science, don't leave the house.

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For science, don't leave the house while cooking well, no, you can leave the house.

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Just don't start cooking and then leave the house.

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Well, so I'm cooking tonight.

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Good luck.

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I'm making burgers and also Cheetos.

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I just bought the Cheetos so I don't have to fry any hot oil or anything.

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There you go, yeah.

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Perfect.

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Do you like to cook?

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So my roles of work have changed over the last year and, uh, just I'd say over the last six months.

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I guess I've really taken like I don't know if I'd say a liking to it.

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I enjoy it.

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I enjoy trying things because unfortunately I'm a super picky eater and I don't eat a lot of vegetables.

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I know it's bad for me, but it's usually a context kind of you know texture thing for me that I just don't enjoy them.

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So, which my wife likes, because I have taken over that and I'm usually home before them, so I usually have dinner ready for when they get home.

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So I've been trying stuff and of course I kind of cater it to my liking.

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Naturally.

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Because I'm the one doing it.

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And you're the pickiest eater out of you and her.

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Yeah, because I'd say my son's pretty picky too.

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My daughter is getting a little more picky.

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She doesn't eat as vast stuff as she used to she was a vacuum for a while I know she would literally just eat anything.

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It was crazy, but my son is pretty picky.

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Uh, we found a few things that he's been enjoying lately, so I've been trying that, but yes, I am a very picky eater.

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My wife would eat eat a lot more than what I make if I did, but I'm not going to sit there and make a salad because I'm not going to eat a salad.

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Yeah, I love a salad.

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Although I do like a fresh spinach salad with dressing on it.

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Depending on the dressing too, I will eat that.

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My wife makes really good salmon and basically salmon on a salad kind of thing.

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Yeah, it's really delicious, sounds good.

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We haven't had that in probably years though, which is too bad, cause it's quite delicious.

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But no, I I enjoy cooking.

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I'm just I'm not my.

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My oldest brother is really good at, so he, he, he got whatever my mom had in terms of that, cause my mom's a pretty good cook too, but my brother like, even like amps it up in terms of, uh, what he makes and stuff, but he's, he's really good actually at cooking, so he does that a lot.

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I know it's kind of a bummer because he, he's currently not living in the state, so we don't benefit from some of his delicious meals at my, my parents, when we get together and stuff.

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So yeah uh, but that's all right.

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Yeah, he's, he's really good, but I enjoy it.

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I just I don't know.

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I don't know what to ever make.

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I'm always trying to look for ideas.

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I like the crock pot.

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Yeah, crock pot's great.

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My parents were both like, really good um cooks.

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Um my dad.

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I always remember my dad making us breakfast as we were getting ready for school and um, my mom was always really good as well, and I wish I got those genes.

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But it's.

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it's not for everybody, Um a lot of it's timing.

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Yeah, and inappropriate timing and like walking away and yeah, timing does not include going to a bar in the middle of it, but you know.

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Okay, so are you ready to open up for beers?

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So I don't actually.

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Well, I guess it's in a partnership with a brewery.

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I have all right, I'll go.

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I guess I'll go first.

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Sorry, I should have asked.

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Yeah.

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No that's fine.

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I'm still trying to pronounce mine.

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That's right.

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So mine is from actually from Central Standard Craft Distillery in partnership with Laney Kugels, who makes Summer Shandy, which is a beer that I rather enjoy.

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I think we've talked about it, but they came out with these craft cocktails.

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They're ready to drink cocktails in a can, so this should be interesting.

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But they have a brandy old-fashioned and a bourbon.

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Old-fashioned Brandy is a little sweet on my taste, so I am a big bourbon guy.

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I went with the bourbon old-fashioned.

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These just came out not that long ago, if I'm not mistaken.

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I remember hearing their local radio station had John Leningkugel on it and he was promoting it, which is obviously one of the Leningkugels, and yeah.

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So I think this came out quite recently and I'm cat fell in a box A big box A a box, a big box, a big box.

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I'm interested to try it.

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So, bourbon, old fashioned for me.

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I have.

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I have pickaxe from Kiwina.

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I think that's mine how you say it.

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I'm not sure.

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Kiwina Brewing company.

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Brewing, brewing Brewing company, not.

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Brewing company.

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No one said I could speak, well, okay.

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Yeah, I.

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I've said that you can't.

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But blonde.

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So this Pickaxe is a blonde ale and I believe it is brewed and canned in south range michigan.

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Well, there you go.

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Yeah, so it's got a like a bar, like a german barmaid on it do you know what people from michigan are called?

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Michiganians, michians.

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Michiganders.

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Michiganders yeah.

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Really yeah, my mom's technically from Michigan.

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Is she, she's from the up.

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Okay, so did you taste yours?

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I'm going to taste mine while you talk about yours.

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Cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers.

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Oh you haven't tasted it yet, so anyone.

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Oh Ugh, not good that is so bizarre.

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I like the response Where's my Modelo.

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This is weird.

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Well, you probably have some in there this is weird.

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I can't even explain it, it's so weird.

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I'd like you to try.

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I really have no words.

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But yet you keep talking.

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It tastes a little wheaty.

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Yeah, is that what a blonde ale is?

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I mean.

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Because they would say it's like a wheat ale, and I don't mind wheat ales, but I don't know, it's so bizarre.

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I mean, I'm going to drink it because I like beer, because I like beer as far as an old-fashioned go.

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I mean it's a canned one, I mean I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying I would rather go to a.

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So for anyone who might not be from Wisconsin listening to this, Al's from Wisconsin.

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So thank you, Al.

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Old fashions are a big cocktail in Wisconsin, Typically brandy.

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Obviously they've ventured out with bourbon ones as well, but it's pretty much a staple on Friday night.

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Fish fries in Wisconsin, and I would rather go to a bar and have one made for me.

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Yeah, I don't care for brandy or bourbon.

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Old fashions Right.

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This as far as, like me, making them at home is probably a no-go, so this would be sufficient enough.

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Okay, but no, it's got good flavor to it.

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Awesome, it's 8%.

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So Holy crap.

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A couple of these would probably knock me out.

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Holy crap, a couple of these would probably knock me out.

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Does mine have an ABV.

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Is that what it is, abv?

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Did I say it right.

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Am I learning?

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things.

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You're learning things.

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I don't think.

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mine says it probably does you just might not know.

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Oh, there's like a barcode from my local grocery store where I bought it, so I can't read it.

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That's fine, although I do know that it is 12 fluid ounces.

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Well, no kidding, and keep refrigerated it as well.

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Yeah, anyway.

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Anywho.

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That's my kiwi na.

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Kiwi, na, and that's my bourbon, old fashioned, ready to drink cocktail.

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Okay.

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Central standard in partnership with Lenny Kugel's Alcohol, 8% by volume 16 proof.

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so are you ready to get depressed?

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oh, more than I already am.

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Let's go oh poor badly, or as my daughter would say I saw you, I saw you oh for um reference sake, um, the screaming that you hear at the end of our episodes is his two-year-old Vesper.

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Yeah, but that was like she was like what?

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a year and a half.

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Not even.

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I think she was a little over a year when she did that video.

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I'd have to double check.

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She was over a year.

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I don't know if it was quite a year and a half, but the stop it was her yelling at the dog yeah, stop it, Stop it.

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We thought that was pretty funny, so we just threw that in there as kind of a joke type thing.

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But she hears her dad Bradley say stop it all the time to his dog.

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Well, because he won't stop it.

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He just sits there and looks at me and whines it's like what Stop it, so Vesper was filling in for dad that night yeah, she was.

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She was pretty great.

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She was pretty great, she did not disappoint yeah okay, so what we're going to talk about?

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um is depressing is depressing oh, jesus christ yeah, so her that we're going to talk about georgia tan georgia tan, and I'm getting most of my references here from the book.

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The book Well, I'm kind of spoiler alert, it's uh called the baby thief.

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Oh, so I'm guessing Georgia stole some babies yeah.

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So it's called the Baby Thief.

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The Untold Story of Georgia Tan, the Baby Seller who Corrupted Adoption by Barbara Bizance Raymond.

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Bizance.

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Maliance Raymond, so spoiler alert.

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Yeah, that really just kind of gave it away.

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Yeah.

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Well, thanks for joining us folks.

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She was the one we caught her.

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Okay, so Georgia Tan was born July 18th 1891 in Philadelphia.

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Mississippi.

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Oh.

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I did that on purpose Born and raised, so she wasn't like the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

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Philadelphia, mississippi.

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Her parents were Beulah and George, george, and George was actually a fairly prominent judge, oh.

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Judge.

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George In their county.

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I like that Judge George.

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So her mother was a school teacher, was actually fairly uncommon for women at the time, and her father was reportedly fairly domineering and Georgia kind of was a tomboy.

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She dressed in pants.

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Wait, her name was Georgia and his was George.

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Correct oh.

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So she dressed very much like a tomboy and Judge George didn't care for that Judge George.

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So he wanted Georgia to become a concert pianist.

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Oh, who didn't?

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So she began to play the piano at age five and continues throughout her life.

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Okay.

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But part of her father's job, often brought abandoned or neglected children home, and he was supposed to as a judge.

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Yeah, so there were no orphanages at the time.

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I mean, I bet there were abandoned or neglected children home, and he was supposed to as a judge.

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Yeah, so there were no orphanages at the time.

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I mean, I bet there were.

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It's not in their area.

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Part of his job was to place them in homes.

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So he would just bring them home.

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Until he could do that, he would bring them home and then find them homes.

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That seems really odd.

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So there were kids everywhere, all the time.

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So okay, she was born in 1891?

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.

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So this would be about 1905, 06-ish.

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Just trying to get my time frame here.

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So Georgia attended Martha Washington College, graduating with a music degree in 1913.

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And she went on to take social work courses at Columbia University.

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So wait, she was born in 1891.

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She didn't graduate until 1913?

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.

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That's from high school.

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No college college, college, college.

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I'm sorry, that's okay.

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She went on to take social work courses at another college, columbia University.

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But she actually hated playing the piano.

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You don't say Is it because?

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her dad forced her to do it Columbia University, but she actually hated playing the piano.

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You don't say yeah, is it because her dad forced her to do it?

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Well, she actually had aspirations to really make a name for herself.

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She wanted to become a lawyer, like her father.

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So why was he against that?

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Because women don't do that.

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Women don't do that Right.

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So she really valued status and power.

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But there were no law schools at that time.

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She actually studied under her father, so he literally taught her the law.

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She took the state bar exam in mississippi and passed.

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And then he said due to gender norms, I do not want you to practice, I refuse and forbade it, forbid it that you practice law.

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I would have been comfortable with forbade, but either way, Thanks.

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Dad.

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So she entered social work as one of the very few available options for unmarried women.

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So she became the receiving director at the Kate McWillie Powers Receiving Home for Children, so an orphanage.

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It was part of the Mississippi Children's Home Society.

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Okay, so here she met an associate named Ann Atwood.

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Okay, her mother knew George's mother.

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George's.

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Mm-hmm.

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So Ann recently gave birth to a son out of wedlock and ended up adopting the surname Hollingsworth Scandalous, so she would look like a widow.

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Oh gotcha.

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But eventually and there was no proven records of this, but eventually Georgia and Anne became a couple.

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Oh so back when, especially when lesbian slash homosexual relationships were really taboo.

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Yeah.

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They did it on the QT.

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Yes, okay, yes.

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So, surprisingly, georgia actually adopted a daughter named June when she was an infant in 1922.

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And apparently she was just a cold fish.

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She was just June was.

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No, georgia, georgiaorgia.

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oh so she wasn't very affectionate she was not affectionate to any children gotcha just just ann yeah, and I didn't find very much information on this, but tan was fired from her position in 1924, so she ended up moving to memphis, tennessee, with ann and her son, jack, and then George's daughter June.

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And Jack is the Otto Wedlock kid.

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Yes.

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So she was hired as executive secretary of the Shelby County branch of the Tennessee Children's Home Society in Memphis.

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That's a lot.

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I can't imagine a woman who's a cold fish working with children.

00:19:19.130 --> 00:19:21.578
Well, I mean crazier things have happened.

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So this branch was the largest children's home society in Tennessee, with branches in Jackson, Knoxville and Chattanooga.

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Okay.

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And she aggressively took over the organization.

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She was a pretty brash woman.

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She wanted that power.

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She wanted that power.

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She wanted that power.

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So she was like I run this shit.

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Yes, I'm the captain now.

00:19:45.009 --> 00:19:54.201
So Georgia was known to be very assertive and had a ruthless approach, and she used intimidation and manipulation to gain control over the organization.

00:19:54.201 --> 00:20:05.280
Of course she did, and then she began cultivating relationships with influential figures such as the Memphis mayor, eh Crump, oh Crump.

00:20:06.323 --> 00:20:07.243
Yeah, we go way back.

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So this political backing provided her with protection and leverage for her children trafficking in 1924.

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I mean, I know it's not like groundbreaking for it to be in 1924.

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I mean, I know it's not like groundbreaking for it to be in 1924, but you wouldn't really think that, I guess.

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But also, information was not as accessible.

00:20:31.618 --> 00:20:33.604
You really don't like that beer, do you?

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I just took another swig.

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It's really not good.

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It's really strange.

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Sorry, keller Weina, yeah, I'm not digging thataxe um okay sorry, I mean they're not gonna all be home runs, oh I need a modelo um it's fine, okay, so tennessee law um prohibited selling children you don't say as you do did you know you used to be able to mail children?

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Like a mail order, bride, no.

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You could mail your child to another person through the post office.

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You can do that with a potato yeah, because that's the same fucking thing.

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And a shoe, I mean.

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Yeah, I get shoes in the mail all the time Because I have big feet and I have to order them.

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So Tennessee law prohibited selling children what?

00:21:22.809 --> 00:21:29.104
But they were allowed agencies to charge for adoption services, sure.

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So in-state adoptions were around $7.

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Oh, that's expensive, while out-of-state adoptions, like in New York, california, I know what out-of-state means, but yeah.

00:21:39.916 --> 00:21:42.659
Commanded a premium price, sure.

00:21:43.309 --> 00:21:47.820
So bringing in a kid from one of those other states you had to pay extra for that?

00:21:47.820 --> 00:21:48.682
Is that what you're saying?

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Selling them to other states?

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Oh, but you're not selling them, you're adopting them.

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Quote unquote.

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Major air quotes are going on, folks Between 1940 and 1950, the agency placed 3,000 children in Mississippi and Arkansas alone, where each adoption could fetch up to $750.

00:22:11.205 --> 00:22:11.566
Wow.

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Back in the 30s you said 40s, 50s, mm-hmm.

00:22:15.007 --> 00:22:17.538
40s, 50s, that's still a lot of money in those decades.

00:22:18.411 --> 00:22:19.761
So George's target was wealthy, a lot of money in those decades.

00:22:19.761 --> 00:22:22.977
So so her um Georgia's target was wealthy prospective adoptive couples.

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Of course each adoptive couples um paid approximately 700, 750 directly to Georgia.

00:22:31.298 --> 00:22:32.441
See, that's that.

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That should be a red flag right there.

00:22:34.109 --> 00:22:37.601
Who's a part of an organization they're like make it out to Georgia.

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Yeah, you're part of the.

00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:39.198
Why aren like make it out to Georgia?

00:22:39.198 --> 00:22:40.069
Yeah, you're part of the organization.

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Why aren't you making it out to the organization?

00:22:41.601 --> 00:22:43.412
Exactly so.

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She also charged for fake background checks, inflated travel costs and overpriced adoption paperwork.

00:22:51.414 --> 00:22:53.115
Wow, she went a whole nine yards.

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Georgia's profits were hidden in a secret bank account under a false corporation name, and she has alleged to have pocketed about 80 to 90% of adoption fees.

00:23:04.153 --> 00:23:10.739
Jeez and she of course failed to report the income to the society's board or the IRS.

00:23:10.919 --> 00:23:19.744
Well, yeah, because you know why pay taxes on it when you can just hide it Between 1944 and 1950, 1,200 children were adopted through the agency.

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That's a lot of kids.

00:23:21.205 --> 00:23:23.067
That's a lot of kids and that's six years.

00:23:23.890 --> 00:23:25.095
Mm-hmm you said 44 to 50, right.

00:23:25.115 --> 00:23:25.415
Mm-hmm.

00:23:25.656 --> 00:23:25.938
Damn.

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Do you know how many?

00:23:27.652 --> 00:23:28.695
kids a year, that is.

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No, do the math for me 200.

00:23:30.641 --> 00:23:36.781
So Georgia used pressure tactics, threats.

00:23:37.691 --> 00:23:39.019
Pressure tactics okay.

00:23:39.019 --> 00:23:43.042
Pressure tactics and threats Pressure okay.

00:23:43.042 --> 00:23:44.430
Pressure tactics and threats and deception, and deception.

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To obtain children from primarily poor single mothers.

00:23:51.255 --> 00:23:54.342
So the mothers didn't necessarily want to give them up is what you're saying.

00:23:54.342 --> 00:23:56.050
No, she would pressure them into doing that.

00:23:56.050 --> 00:23:58.673
Yes, wow, no, she would pressure him into doing that, yes, wow.

00:23:58.733 --> 00:24:07.061
So she acquired children born to inmates as well in Tennessee mental institutions and state wards through her connections that sounds great.

00:24:07.061 --> 00:24:11.386
And to meet high demand for children, she even resorted to kidnapping.

00:24:11.386 --> 00:24:15.894
So she just went straight up.

00:24:15.894 --> 00:24:16.434
Just like they.

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Got a kid?

00:24:16.756 --> 00:24:19.163
They would just pluck them right from the lawn.

00:24:19.163 --> 00:24:19.585
That's fucked up.

00:24:19.585 --> 00:24:19.931
Got a kid?

00:24:19.931 --> 00:24:20.914
They would just pluck them right from the lawn.

00:24:20.914 --> 00:24:21.256
That's fucked up.

00:24:21.256 --> 00:24:26.554
Single parents were told welfare agents had taken their children or their orphanages had placed them for adoption without consent georgia.

00:24:26.574 --> 00:24:29.058
They were just like okay no, no they.

00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:32.672
They were irate and angry and tried to fight it as they should be.

00:24:33.492 --> 00:24:34.594
You just stole my kid.

00:24:35.255 --> 00:24:50.713
If someone came and did that to my daughter, I'd be like uh, fuck you so georgia often took children directly from mothers in hospitals before their release and sometimes even before birth how can you take them before birth?

00:24:50.713 --> 00:24:54.201
Mothers would sign away their babies oh geez.

00:24:54.201 --> 00:25:01.103
So georgia used a combination of coercion and manipulation to convince expectant mothers to sign away their parental rights.

00:25:01.103 --> 00:25:06.401
This often involved promises of financial assistance and threats of social stigma.

00:25:06.961 --> 00:25:07.583
Well, sure.

00:25:08.471 --> 00:25:19.965
So she claimed newborn babies required medical care to take them from unwed mothers, then later falsely reporting the infants' deaths or even claiming they were stillborn.

00:25:20.451 --> 00:25:22.258
What was the benefit of doing that?

00:25:23.549 --> 00:25:29.862
So that the parents wouldn't one look for the kids or find retribution.

00:25:30.222 --> 00:25:33.493
Sure, okay, wow, so she also would destroy.

00:25:33.493 --> 00:25:34.537
She was diabolical.

00:25:34.537 --> 00:25:36.000
Yeah, jesus Christ, she was vile.

00:25:36.730 --> 00:25:42.343
She also destroyed records like birth certificates and fabricated child histories for adoptive parents.

00:25:42.490 --> 00:25:45.498
So would she create new birth certificates then for these kids?

00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:50.019
Yes, wow, it was all falsified, right, georgia?

00:25:50.852 --> 00:25:52.217
I understand the time frame.

00:25:52.217 --> 00:26:03.102
So, like you couldn't I'm sure you could A lot harder to do that today, but it's like, wouldn't you like red flags go up?

00:26:03.102 --> 00:26:04.777
There's no checks and balances.

00:26:04.777 --> 00:26:06.315
I know, it's just wild.

00:26:07.258 --> 00:26:08.181
All right, sorry, continue.

00:26:08.181 --> 00:26:16.545
Georgia would even threaten adoptive parents with legal action to reclaim children when inaccuracies in child information were discovered.

00:26:16.545 --> 00:26:21.241
So even adoptive parents are like this is not the kid you promised me, take it back.

00:26:21.241 --> 00:26:22.916
And she'd be like no, I'll sue you.

00:26:23.869 --> 00:26:26.954
So I thought I ordered vanilla and I got chocolate.

00:26:26.954 --> 00:26:32.644
I mean Anywho.

00:26:33.851 --> 00:26:37.657
So there was a mayor, oh, mayor, crump there was a mayor.

00:26:37.657 --> 00:26:39.676
I already introduced him.

00:26:39.676 --> 00:26:45.241
Mayor Crump's political machine dominated Memphis politics.

00:26:45.241 --> 00:26:52.279
Okay, so he controlled appointments, contacts and the city's finances with his intimidation, threats and power.

00:26:52.580 --> 00:26:55.314
See, wow, he was one of those kinds of guys.

00:26:55.314 --> 00:26:56.577
Yes, and this is the one she.

00:26:56.577 --> 00:26:57.621
She buddied up with.

00:26:57.710 --> 00:27:05.616
Yes, and this is the one she buddied up with yes, right, okay, so his administration was notorious for corruption, with allegations of bribery, vote buying and other unethical practices.

00:27:05.636 --> 00:27:08.258
Wait a minute, you're telling me someone in government was corrupted.

00:27:08.258 --> 00:27:10.695
Yes, that can't be possible.

00:27:10.695 --> 00:27:13.988
Government officials are the fucking most straight and narrow people in the world.

00:27:16.058 --> 00:27:16.923
I know this is really shocking.

00:27:16.923 --> 00:27:22.738
I'm so sorry to tell you look at our government now no fucking shenanigans going on.

00:27:22.738 --> 00:27:23.800
It's beautiful, so his is um so crump.

00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:31.423
Also operated a protection racket where businesses were forced to pay for protection from harassment and competition.

00:27:31.444 --> 00:27:33.590
I love that it's a protection racket.

00:27:33.590 --> 00:27:39.683
Whenever racket is involved in something like that, you know hands down it's fucked up.

00:27:41.191 --> 00:27:42.334
Just put the words racket.

00:27:42.394 --> 00:27:42.955
Exactly.

00:27:42.955 --> 00:27:44.159
Oh, that's so great.

00:27:44.159 --> 00:27:47.135
A racket ruff-a, a racket kerfuffle.

00:27:48.790 --> 00:27:53.426
So Georgia and Mayor Crump formed a mutual beneficial partnership, naturally.

00:27:53.426 --> 00:28:03.845
Naturally, she provided a steady stream of income through her illegal adoption practices, while Crump offered political protection and immunity Immunity.

00:28:05.471 --> 00:28:07.426
Words are tough on Kate sometimes.

00:28:07.446 --> 00:28:07.808
Oh my gosh.

00:28:07.890 --> 00:28:11.099
So we appreciate you looking past that.

00:28:12.131 --> 00:28:13.375
Or listening past that.

00:28:14.576 --> 00:28:15.509
Or fast forwarding past that.

00:28:15.509 --> 00:28:18.400
Okay, so we got the mayor in her pocket, right, mayor in her pocket.

00:28:18.529 --> 00:28:19.453
Now we got a judge.

00:28:20.478 --> 00:28:20.778
Yeah.

00:28:21.349 --> 00:28:24.257
Judge Camille Kelly also aided.

00:28:24.297 --> 00:28:24.838
Is that a guy?

00:28:24.838 --> 00:28:26.383
It's a woman, okay.

00:28:26.730 --> 00:28:30.440
Also aided Georgia's tactics by using her authority to sanction her actions.

00:28:30.861 --> 00:28:31.442
Of course she did.

00:28:31.509 --> 00:28:37.392
So Georgia identified children from supposedly unfit homes and Kelly expedited the process through her court.

00:28:37.471 --> 00:28:39.212
So what I mean?

00:28:39.212 --> 00:28:42.336
I hope I'm not jumping the gun, but maybe I am.

00:28:42.336 --> 00:28:44.857
What was the benefit for her to do that?

00:28:45.719 --> 00:28:47.519
Extra power she's getting.

00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:52.443
She's getting financial gain from from working with Georgia.

00:28:53.084 --> 00:28:54.345
So Georgia's paying her off, basically is what?

00:28:54.345 --> 00:28:55.625
It is Okay Because it's like why, why else would you do that?

00:28:55.625 --> 00:28:58.909
Yeah, and is Okay Because it's like why, why else would you do that?

00:28:58.989 --> 00:28:59.229
Yeah.

00:28:59.910 --> 00:29:00.951
And wow Okay.

00:29:01.354 --> 00:29:09.334
So judge Kelly would even terminate custody rights for divorced mothers, allowing Georgia to place children in better homes.

00:29:09.855 --> 00:29:14.589
That's wow, how do you think you have the power to do that?

00:29:14.589 --> 00:29:19.770
I mean, it's just like yeah, you know what we think you're unfit, we're just gonna take those kids.

00:29:19.770 --> 00:29:23.217
Yeah, do you have an age range on the kids?

00:29:23.396 --> 00:29:26.041
like oh it, it ranged um.

00:29:26.241 --> 00:29:50.484
I think the oldest that I've I've read about is nine so, so decently old yeah, all right, anyone comes at my kids, I'm gonna fucking beat the shit out of them I will stand right beside you because, yeah, my kids are sweet as fuck your kids, my kids are great no, I love them and I miss them I know okay, so children awaiting placement obviously weren't cared for you don't say that

00:29:50.726 --> 00:30:01.696
you gotta stop saying I do it on purpose now, because you pointed it out and I knew it would get a reaction like that, so that's pretty fantastic.

00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:06.741
So the children were abused, neglected and many of the infants starved to death.

00:30:07.262 --> 00:30:09.488
Oh really, oh yeah, so a lot of them died.

00:30:09.608 --> 00:30:10.049
A lot.

00:30:10.451 --> 00:30:17.703
But yet they still somehow adopted out huge air quotes 12,000 kids Wow.

00:30:17.703 --> 00:30:21.780
How many would they have adopted out if they didn't die?

00:30:21.780 --> 00:30:23.736
Over 500 more?

00:30:23.736 --> 00:30:27.678
That's the rough number of how many died.

00:30:27.678 --> 00:30:28.780
Yes, good Lord.

00:30:28.990 --> 00:30:36.997
So right before this happened like maybe like 15 years, 12, 15 years the plague happened, so a lot of deaths occur.

00:30:36.997 --> 00:30:38.777
A lot of mothers died.

00:30:39.130 --> 00:30:39.431
Weird.

00:30:39.431 --> 00:30:43.933
And their children were left were left unattended unattended.

00:30:44.615 --> 00:30:55.977
So lots of opportunity yeah, fighting wars and dying that seems important so that's crazy shocker.

00:30:55.977 --> 00:31:01.585
Memphis had had the nation's highest infant mortality rate, largely attributed to you know who.

00:31:01.849 --> 00:31:03.115
As I say, thanks Georgia.

00:31:03.356 --> 00:31:06.798
Yeah, so she had an all-female staff.

00:31:07.339 --> 00:31:07.740
Of course.

00:31:08.391 --> 00:31:15.044
And they're now operating out of a mansion which was donated by wealthy adoptive parents.

00:31:16.089 --> 00:31:20.174
She really knew how to fucking she was, oh wow.

00:31:20.496 --> 00:31:27.176
So the all-female staff wore nursing uniforms, despite lacking proper training Children.

00:31:27.298 --> 00:31:28.440
Was that for show?

00:31:29.161 --> 00:31:30.723
Oh, yeah, okay, oh yeah.

00:31:30.864 --> 00:31:37.371
I figured, but I just want to say and children were frequently sedated oh so they would just dope them up.

00:31:37.652 --> 00:31:38.795
Yep, what the the fuck?

00:31:38.795 --> 00:31:47.423
And those deemed difficult to place were allowed to starve you know what I'm gonna let you starve today yeah I'm gonna let that happen.

00:31:47.423 --> 00:31:57.839
You wanted it, I got it georgia would disregard doctor's orders, denying sick children essential care, leading to preventable deaths from treatable diseases.

00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:07.403
So some of the deceased children were buried in the cemetery in Memphis, with the final count of victims approximately around 500.

00:32:08.332 --> 00:32:09.537
So that's where that number came from.

00:32:09.537 --> 00:32:15.739
Yes, so that's in the whole time frame of her doing this yes.

00:32:15.739 --> 00:32:17.501
Okay, that is a lot.

00:32:17.501 --> 00:32:18.463
It's a lot.

00:32:18.463 --> 00:32:21.057
Is she considered a fucking serial killer then?

00:32:21.057 --> 00:32:23.594
Because, holy shit, that's a good point.

00:32:24.898 --> 00:32:26.476
I mean 500 say so.

00:32:27.852 --> 00:32:35.338
Even if 50% of those were directly attributed to her, that's a lot of fucking deaths to one person.

00:32:35.750 --> 00:32:37.778
Okay, let's call her a serial killer.

00:32:37.910 --> 00:32:39.075
Yeah, fuck you Georgia.

00:32:39.576 --> 00:32:40.058
Jesus.

00:32:40.250 --> 00:32:41.516
Posthumous serial killer.

00:32:42.269 --> 00:32:51.589
So newly appointed governor Gordon Browning finally initiated an investigation into the Tennessee Children's Home Society in September 1950.

00:32:51.710 --> 00:32:52.734
He wasn't on the take.

00:32:52.734 --> 00:32:53.597
There he was not.

00:32:54.609 --> 00:33:03.127
So the scandal was publicized nationwide, including in major newspapers like the Memphis Commercial Appeal and the New York Times.

00:33:03.127 --> 00:33:08.458
Okay, it was alleged that Georgia and her associates profited by up to $1 million.

00:33:09.571 --> 00:33:12.736
Which in 1940 to 50 was a lot of money.

00:33:13.230 --> 00:33:14.714
From illegal adoptions.

00:33:14.714 --> 00:33:16.861
Wow, so get this.

00:33:16.861 --> 00:33:22.701
The state of Tennessee sued Georgia for $500,000.

00:33:22.882 --> 00:33:23.262
That's it.

00:33:23.410 --> 00:33:27.080
But it was three days after her death.

00:33:28.030 --> 00:33:30.519
They sued her three days after her death.

00:33:31.130 --> 00:33:34.637
So she died in their process of suing her.

00:33:35.058 --> 00:33:36.102
Wow, really.

00:33:36.481 --> 00:33:40.378
Yes, she died of uterine cancer in 1950.

00:33:41.060 --> 00:33:43.896
Yes, and so she would have been 59 at that time.

00:33:43.896 --> 00:33:44.921
58, 59.

00:33:45.411 --> 00:33:48.230
She never faced any criminal charges.

00:33:48.250 --> 00:33:50.659
That is fucking horrible, isn't that insane.

00:33:50.659 --> 00:33:52.596
That is insane because fuck her.

00:33:52.596 --> 00:33:55.978
Look at all those poor kids that died because of her.

00:33:56.278 --> 00:33:56.980
Oh and get this.

00:33:56.980 --> 00:34:03.153
Look at all those poor kids that died because of her.

00:34:03.173 --> 00:34:04.776
Oh and get this georgia adopted her lover ann.

00:34:04.776 --> 00:34:04.997
So who was?

00:34:05.057 --> 00:34:17.661
I think she was about eight years younger so technically ann was her daughter, no so ann was was a couple correct but she adopted ann as a quote unquote daughter just for the inheritance.

00:34:19.023 --> 00:34:23.713
What inheritance, whatever Georgia left?

00:34:23.733 --> 00:34:24.135
behind.

00:34:24.135 --> 00:34:26.880
Oh, mm-hmm, anne became her beneficiary.

00:34:27.240 --> 00:34:28.222
Very diabolical.

00:34:31.936 --> 00:34:33.907
Apparently that happened back then.

00:34:33.907 --> 00:34:40.398
Homosexuals would adopt each other to be the beneficiaryiary because they couldn't get married so they wouldn't get the benefits because otherwise they'd go to the state or whatever.

00:34:40.398 --> 00:34:42.552
I mean it makes sense, I guess.

00:34:42.552 --> 00:34:44.237
Yeah, that's understandable yeah.

00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:53.378
So judge kelly and mayor crump also managed to avoid facing criminal charges for their corrupt activities.

00:34:53.378 --> 00:35:08.981
Wow, despite widespread knowledge of their practices, they both maintained a powerful political machine that shielded them from prosecution, and their political connections and influence were instrumental in their ability to evade justice.

00:35:09.364 --> 00:35:10.960
Yeah, politics isn't corrupt at all.

00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.280
Yeah, today or back then, straight and narrow folks.

00:35:15.811 --> 00:35:20.961
So the lack of concrete evidence and the political climate of the time prevented them from being accountable.

00:35:21.603 --> 00:35:24.476
Wow, so they just got away scot-free.

00:35:24.677 --> 00:35:24.878
Yeah.

00:35:25.349 --> 00:35:29.996
Made a bunch of fucking money off all these poor kids, which a good chunk of them.

00:35:29.996 --> 00:35:35.505
I mean 500 out of 12,000, 12,500 if you include them, whatever, yeah.

00:35:35.505 --> 00:35:41.875
The percent's low but still, 500 kids dying is bullshit, yeah, especially being a person with kids.

00:35:41.875 --> 00:35:44.021
Fuck y'all.

00:35:44.690 --> 00:35:49.161
So in 1950, the Tennessee Children's Home Society was shut down due to this scandal.

00:35:49.161 --> 00:35:53.943
Naturally, you don't say I'm going to read you a couple like personal.

00:35:53.963 --> 00:35:55.028
You didn't even respond to that one.

00:35:55.028 --> 00:35:56.469
Yeah, I'm just buzzing right through.

00:35:56.510 --> 00:36:00.257
Yeah, that'm just buzzing right through, I'm going to read you a couple like personal Do you have the hiccups?

00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:03.192
Is it because you're drinking the beer you don't like?

00:36:03.192 --> 00:36:05.594
I'm burping, is that what it is?

00:36:05.594 --> 00:36:08.876
Yeah, I couldn't tell if it was the hiccups or something else.

00:36:08.876 --> 00:36:14.577
I've done it like three times oh my god, I know, I've noticed and I finally just said something.

00:36:18.230 --> 00:36:19.911
You're going to read me.

00:36:19.911 --> 00:36:20.851
What now?

00:36:20.851 --> 00:36:21.130
Jesus Christ.

00:36:21.130 --> 00:36:22.351
So I wasn't sneaky, got it?

00:36:22.351 --> 00:36:24.371
Nope, not at all.

00:36:24.371 --> 00:36:33.496
So I'm going to read three stories of people's associations with Georgia.

00:36:33.735 --> 00:36:34.215
Georgia.

00:36:34.496 --> 00:36:35.976
Peggy, who is nine, hey.

00:36:36.016 --> 00:36:36.317
Peggy.

00:36:36.476 --> 00:36:37.518
Was taken from her mother.

00:36:37.898 --> 00:36:38.418
Oh geez.

00:36:39.318 --> 00:36:41.679
Once rehomed, she became a stutterer.

00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:43.239
A stutterer.

00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:44.260
A bedwetter.

00:36:44.641 --> 00:36:45.001
Oh dear.

00:36:45.661 --> 00:36:49.001
And a perpetual screamer On purpose.

00:36:49.001 --> 00:36:50.862
She would make everybody's life miserable.

00:36:51.282 --> 00:36:52.923
Because she was stolen from her.

00:36:53.063 --> 00:36:54.364
And she was nine yeah.

00:36:54.403 --> 00:36:55.144
I mean you're pretty.

00:36:55.144 --> 00:36:56.164
I mean you're pretty.

00:36:56.164 --> 00:36:58.445
I mean, okay, my son is almost six.

00:36:58.445 --> 00:37:01.626
I mean he is pretty well developed and so on and whatever.

00:37:01.626 --> 00:37:04.829
That's three years ahead of where he's even at right now.

00:37:04.829 --> 00:37:11.824
So yeah, she's very well ingrained in whatever life she had before that and all of a sudden just plucked from that.

00:37:11.824 --> 00:37:13.155
Can you blame her?

00:37:13.891 --> 00:37:27.952
So she was given back to Georgia and then shuffled around eight different foster homes until she was finally returned to her mother, but her siblings, who were also taken, were still in california and new york.

00:37:27.952 --> 00:37:31.601
So she was reunited with her mother, but her siblings were not.

00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:39.592
That's sad how many siblings did she have to say, or you don't know I think it said about five, like she was one of five.

00:37:39.711 --> 00:37:41.356
Oh wow, so quite a few, yeah, okay.

00:37:41.356 --> 00:37:56.460
And then we have elizabeth hubert, who was five when she was when she arrived in california, so she was sick with pneumonia and traumatized by her mother's untimely death and with no word on what eliz about to experience.

00:37:56.460 --> 00:38:04.157
Georgia put her on a plane to LA and she was picked up by her new parents in the lobby of the Biltmore Hotel.

00:38:04.157 --> 00:38:06.195
She had no idea what's going on at age five.

00:38:07.570 --> 00:38:08.454
So she had five yep.

00:38:08.454 --> 00:38:13.177
They changed her name immediately to Carol and gave her a doll.

00:38:13.177 --> 00:38:17.695
What Elizabeth says, it was the nicest toy she'd ever owned.

00:38:17.695 --> 00:38:20.219
But she had no idea who Carol was.

00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:21.842
Yeah, who's Carol?

00:38:21.842 --> 00:38:22.625
Well, that's you.

00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:26.378
Well, because she was so confused, she named her doll Elizabeth.

00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:27.862
Oh shit.

00:38:28.141 --> 00:38:28.302
Yeah.

00:38:29.990 --> 00:38:32.259
So she gave her doll her own name.

00:38:32.338 --> 00:38:32.559
Yes.

00:38:32.969 --> 00:38:35.632
Did she start accepting being called Carol?

00:38:35.952 --> 00:38:37.653
Not really Okay.

00:38:37.653 --> 00:38:42.137
She had gone from a shack when she was the second youngest of 14.

00:38:42.416 --> 00:38:43.557
Oh, my God 14.

00:38:43.617 --> 00:38:47.942
And sleeping on the floor to eating breakfast in this big, affluent house.

00:38:47.942 --> 00:38:54.047
So she began talking to herself in the mirror because no one else would listen to her.

00:38:54.347 --> 00:38:55.246
Well, why would they?

00:38:59.132 --> 00:39:03.778
So she listened to herself through the mirror and she began putting on fake personalities in different situations.

00:39:03.838 --> 00:39:05.902
Did she end up having them, was it?

00:39:06.262 --> 00:39:07.985
No, it wasn't like that.

00:39:13.889 --> 00:39:16.166
But she would fake being happy at a party or being In the mirror you're saying no.

00:39:16.166 --> 00:39:21.501
No, in real life too, in real life yeah, she would put on these different facades just to get her through.

00:39:21.501 --> 00:39:29.050
Yeah, I mean, people deal with trauma in a lot of different ways, and that's a pretty common thing from what I can ascertain.

00:39:29.952 --> 00:39:36.458
So eventually she saw a therapist and he suggested that she take her name back.

00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:37.760
Elizabeth.

00:39:38.001 --> 00:39:38.202
Yes.

00:39:39.110 --> 00:39:40.233
So what'd she call the doll then?

00:39:40.233 --> 00:39:42.179
Sorry, anyways.

00:39:42.630 --> 00:39:45.119
But she didn't want to upset her adoptive parents.

00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:50.722
Well, so she literally resisted his suggestion for 20 years.

00:39:50.722 --> 00:39:52.617
20 years, yes.

00:39:52.617 --> 00:39:59.016
Finally, in 1982, she took back Elizabeth and she finally felt some peace.

00:39:59.016 --> 00:40:06.864
She was also reunited with other relatives and siblings at the Nashville airport, each one holding an orchid for her.

00:40:08.592 --> 00:40:11.583
I'm really glad you said orchid, not a doll, that would have been weird.

00:40:13.775 --> 00:40:14.570
Last one here.

00:40:15.313 --> 00:40:16.878
What was the significance of the orchid?

00:40:16.990 --> 00:40:24.202
It's just like a flower homecoming like okay yeah, it was just a sweet image, sure you know.

00:40:24.202 --> 00:40:36.932
The last one I'll talk about is alma sipple alma sipple in the spring of 1946, alma sipple gave birth to her daughter, irma, so she was a single mother.

00:40:36.932 --> 00:40:40.302
She turned to the, the Tennessee Children's Home Society, for help.

00:40:40.302 --> 00:40:50.538
Trusting in the organization's supposed benevolence, she allowed Georgia to take custody of her infant daughter, believing that the child would receive the best possible care.

00:40:50.739 --> 00:40:51.721
Wow was she fooled?

00:40:52.389 --> 00:40:57.576
Georgia assured Alma that she would provide medical care for Irma, who was allegedly ill.

00:40:57.998 --> 00:40:58.438
Oh Jesus.

00:40:58.849 --> 00:41:05.164
Days later, georgia informed Alma that the baby had passed away from pneumonia and had been buried.

00:41:05.164 --> 00:41:09.862
Devastated by grief, alma was left to mourn the loss of her child.

00:41:09.862 --> 00:41:15.643
However, a deep-seated doubt lingered with her, a persistent belief that her daughter was still alive.

00:41:15.643 --> 00:41:19.994
Years passed and Alma's hope of finding her child dwindled Seriously.

00:41:19.994 --> 00:41:20.414
That's fucked up.

00:41:32.929 --> 00:41:34.273
She was on Unsolved Mysteries.

00:41:34.273 --> 00:41:35.416
Yes, no way.

00:41:35.416 --> 00:41:36.721
Yes, that's crazy.

00:41:36.721 --> 00:41:42.161
I might have even seen that back in the day, because I grew up on that show and I had no idea.

00:41:42.181 --> 00:41:51.150
I totally forgot about it so elma contacted the right to know organization in memphis dedicated to reuniting families separated by adoption.

00:41:51.150 --> 00:41:56.373
Elma was finally reunited with her daughter, who had been renamed Sandra.

00:41:57.233 --> 00:41:57.634
Wow.

00:41:57.753 --> 00:41:59.994
The reunion was of course bittersweet.

00:42:00.135 --> 00:42:00.434
Sure.

00:42:00.635 --> 00:42:02.335
Filled with both joy and sorrow.

00:42:02.335 --> 00:42:09.219
While finding her daughter alive was a miracle, the pain of the separation and the years lost would forever cast a shadow over their lives.

00:42:09.458 --> 00:42:11.639
Well, yeah, I mean, you can't get that back.

00:42:11.900 --> 00:42:16.461
No, so Georgia is estimated to have stolen over.

00:42:16.461 --> 00:42:20.184
Can you guess how many?

00:42:20.903 --> 00:42:21.945
12,500?

00:42:21.945 --> 00:42:21.945
.

00:42:22.684 --> 00:42:23.485
Not quite that many.

00:42:24.585 --> 00:42:27.586
Oh, that's the total, total Stolen.

00:42:28.728 --> 00:42:31.048
Not quite that many, yeah 4,000.

00:42:31.048 --> 00:42:32.829
5,000.

00:42:32.829 --> 00:42:34.731
Oh, I was going to guess that first, I sure want to find out 5,000 children.

00:42:34.753 --> 00:42:42.940
Oh, I was going to guess that first, I sure don't want to think that 5,000 children she stole 5,000 children, yes, pretty much got 7,000 to 7,500 more given to her.

00:42:42.940 --> 00:42:48.271
Yes, I mean, that's a lot of fucking kids stolen, yeah.

00:42:48.271 --> 00:42:54.003
And so I don't even know if this is like a stat you came across or anything like that.

00:42:54.003 --> 00:43:18.262
We know that 500-ish died in her care or lack thereof, care you I would imagine others died shortly after you might not even know of too, because of the conditions they were kept in and so on, for sure, many of the parent, the adoptive parents, use them as child labor right there was not like a loving environment.

00:43:18.389 --> 00:43:22.550
No, because some of them was like free labor, Free labor sexual abuse.

00:43:22.710 --> 00:43:24.938
But then there were others that were super, super loving.

00:43:25.989 --> 00:43:27.275
You're obviously going to get some of those.

00:43:27.275 --> 00:43:32.536
Yeah, but yeah, so I imagine the conditions weren't always that way for them.

00:43:32.536 --> 00:43:35.298
So 500 that again.

00:43:35.429 --> 00:43:37.710
And that was just infants, right yeah, and that was just infants, right yeah.

00:43:38.190 --> 00:43:41.840
And and that's not including the up to nine year olds.

00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.077
That's what's just crazy.

00:43:44.077 --> 00:43:45.110
It's like I don't.

00:43:45.110 --> 00:43:52.483
I don't blame that chick for screaming and whatever she did because I'm old enough to know what the hell's going on enough.

00:43:52.704 --> 00:43:52.925
Yeah.

00:43:52.925 --> 00:43:54.775
It's like yeah no, this isn't right.

00:43:54.775 --> 00:43:55.498
This ain't right.

00:43:55.498 --> 00:44:06.780
That's a lot of fucking kids to steal jesus christ so, despite promises from new york and california to investigate, no children were ever returned to their birth families.

00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:08.025
That's fucked up.

00:44:08.025 --> 00:44:11.512
Georgia died obviously before facing criminal charges.

00:44:11.512 --> 00:44:19.423
19 children who died in georgia's care were buried in a mass grave at Elmwood Cemetery without any headstones.

00:44:19.423 --> 00:44:21.855
Jeez, there is a plaque there now.

00:44:22.396 --> 00:44:22.958
That's nice.

00:44:22.958 --> 00:44:24.373
Do they even know who they are, though?

00:44:24.373 --> 00:44:25.056
That's the thing.

00:44:25.277 --> 00:44:25.778
I don't think so.

00:44:25.909 --> 00:44:27.918
My guess is no, because it's a mass grave.

00:44:28.650 --> 00:44:34.809
The Tennessee Children's Home Society scandal led to adoption reform laws in Tennessee in 1951.

00:44:34.809 --> 00:44:45.534
Good Georgia's operation significantly increased adoption rates in the United States and it became more of like a wealthy people are adopting the poor kind of thing.

00:44:45.534 --> 00:44:54.114
Yeah, but just to end, the current Tennessee children's home has no connection with Georgia Tann or her organization.

00:44:54.114 --> 00:44:54.695
Oh, thank God.

00:44:55.637 --> 00:44:59.257
Well, I mean that's to be expected, but it's good to put that out there.

00:44:59.257 --> 00:45:02.016
Yeah, Will that out into existence?

00:45:02.056 --> 00:45:04.434
Exactly, so that's.

00:45:04.574 --> 00:45:11.152
Georgia Tann, that's crazy because, like again, I know you don't have kids, you and your husband.

00:45:11.152 --> 00:45:15.019
That wasn't on your list of things to do, correct, I do.

00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:15.820
I have two.

00:45:15.820 --> 00:45:17.023
You love my kids though.

00:45:18.690 --> 00:45:19.411
I do.

00:45:19.411 --> 00:45:21.054
I have two, you love my kids, though I do.

00:45:21.074 --> 00:45:31.190
I love being their honorable aunt, yeah, and obviously I love my kids they're the two best things that has ever happened to me but, um, like my, my son, just like I just love watching them grow.

00:45:31.190 --> 00:45:45.501
And my daughter is only two, so it's like I have some time to see that progression still with where, like where, my son's at, but he's four years older, so I couldn't imagine like someone coming in and be like, yeah, we're going to take those from you.

00:45:45.501 --> 00:45:47.324
Yeah, like yep, no, you're not.

00:45:47.784 --> 00:45:47.945
Yep.

00:45:48.230 --> 00:45:51.217
I will straight up murder a bitch if you try to do that.

00:45:51.237 --> 00:45:52.280
That's so devastating.

00:45:52.280 --> 00:46:00.492
Yeah, and the way she manipulated those people to do that.

00:46:00.492 --> 00:46:06.030
It's just like how did they buy into her and that she was super manipulative she was, but still she had judges in her corner and mayors in her.

00:46:06.050 --> 00:46:09.534
Yeah, it's wild that she got so much backing oh, get this.

00:46:09.974 --> 00:46:13.057
Um, um, oh my gosh, who's the woman?

00:46:13.057 --> 00:46:14.018
Oh my gosh, there's a.

00:46:14.018 --> 00:46:15.201
It's not joan collins.

00:46:15.201 --> 00:46:23.574
Um, like the reporter joan joan joan I'm gonna look it up real quick.

00:46:23.574 --> 00:46:35.376
Um, there's a famous actress, joan crawford oh sure she adopted two children from georgia did she really she did no way, no way, yes.

00:46:35.376 --> 00:46:38.119
And her daughter, june also.

00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.382
June had a daughter also that was adopted from Georgia.

00:46:41.724 --> 00:46:42.244
Wow.

00:46:42.503 --> 00:46:42.724
Yeah.

00:46:42.885 --> 00:46:43.686
That's crazy.

00:46:43.945 --> 00:46:44.146
Yeah.

00:46:45.130 --> 00:46:48.858
So I mean, she knew no ends that go where she went.

00:46:48.858 --> 00:46:49.639
She went everywhere.

00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:50.081
Yeah Wow.

00:46:51.369 --> 00:47:04.422
But can you imagine like knowing so you're in the hospital, you just gave birth, you were told that you just had a stillbirth, and then you come across potentially the unsolved mysteries and be like I knew that woman.

00:47:04.422 --> 00:47:05.675
She was in my.

00:47:05.675 --> 00:47:08.688
She told me she told me yeah.

00:47:08.688 --> 00:47:10.757
And then what if your kid is still alive?

00:47:11.170 --> 00:47:23.092
Well, just think how many people had that doubt after like they went through that and then see unsolved mysteries or or whatever new story, blah, blah.

00:47:23.092 --> 00:47:32.416
I'd be like, wait a minute, maybe my kid was actually out there and they didn't die of stillbirth or pneumonia or whatever other bullshit she came up with.

00:47:33.217 --> 00:47:40.525
I mean I there's another child adult now who I read about, named Billy Hale.

00:47:41.070 --> 00:47:41.210
OK.

00:47:41.893 --> 00:47:44.762
And he had no identity.

00:47:44.762 --> 00:47:50.221
He reinvented himself a ton because, he just didn't know who.

00:47:50.221 --> 00:47:54.059
He was Sure and his adoptive parents were wonderful.

00:47:54.059 --> 00:47:55.653
They were affluent.

00:47:55.653 --> 00:47:57.920
He lived in a really great house on the lake.

00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:07.224
He went boating and fishing and swimming and just all the like precious things that children would enjoy from a loving family.

00:48:07.224 --> 00:48:12.438
Well, he saw a 60 Minutes show.

00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:13.340
About her.

00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:14.123
About Georgia.

00:48:14.483 --> 00:48:14.824
Okay.

00:48:15.971 --> 00:48:20.963
And he, finally, he tracked down his birth mother.

00:48:20.963 --> 00:48:22.795
How did he find her?

00:48:22.795 --> 00:48:32.242
It didn't say like how he found out what her name was, okay, but he put in like in the local newspaper of where.

00:48:32.831 --> 00:48:33.909
Like an adult kind of thing.

00:48:33.909 --> 00:48:36.818
Yeah, like if you know anyone about Molly Mae something.

00:48:38.123 --> 00:48:39.688
Contact this number.

00:48:39.889 --> 00:48:40.030
Yeah.

00:48:40.550 --> 00:48:45.101
And actually it was his father that contacted him.

00:48:45.101 --> 00:48:46.666
He read the newspaper.

00:48:47.067 --> 00:48:47.367
Really.

00:48:47.690 --> 00:48:49.436
Yeah, and said your mother died six years ago.

00:48:49.717 --> 00:48:50.237
Oh shit.

00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.297
Yeah, no, sorry brother, it was a brother my bad.

00:48:53.297 --> 00:49:04.545
Okay, mother's brother, mother's brother His uncle contacted him wow yeah, it's sad yeah, so he's got a relationship with his uncle and his cousins, but which is?

00:49:04.626 --> 00:49:06.432
great, but never got to meet his mother.

00:49:06.532 --> 00:49:12.697
Yeah, but I guess he was really like mentally screwed up with his identity and over the whole thing.

00:49:12.737 --> 00:49:13.400
Can you blame him?

00:49:13.420 --> 00:49:19.340
yeah, I mean apparently, when he saw the 60 minutes, he replayed it over and over, and over and over again.

00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:21.277
He was like really obsessive about.

00:49:21.277 --> 00:49:34.434
Was it just to like kind of try and confirm or yeah, like he recognized he had memories when he was younger and his adoptive parents always just said like no, that's wrong, that never happened.

00:49:34.434 --> 00:49:48.974
See that, but like his memories were so strong, he somehow connected it to the 60 minutes episode and he just would rewatch it and rewatch it and ultimately it, you know, came true.

00:49:49.554 --> 00:49:59.943
That's, I mean, good for him, that's awesome, because even though it was a little bit too late for the mother part of it, but it's nice to have that closure in your brain.

00:50:00.010 --> 00:50:02.259
But then his uncle said that she never stopped looking for you.

00:50:02.259 --> 00:50:03.414
She knew that you were alive.

00:50:03.574 --> 00:50:06.295
I bet that's sad yeah.

00:50:07.338 --> 00:50:08.561
All right, what did you get for us?

00:50:08.670 --> 00:50:11.597
Thanks for bringing down the house like you normally do.

00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:13.402
Oh, this beer.

00:50:13.402 --> 00:50:15.436
Stop fucking drinking it.

00:50:15.436 --> 00:50:16.952
I really need you to try it.

00:50:17.273 --> 00:50:20.161
No, I'm not going to drink it after that ringing endorsement.

00:50:20.161 --> 00:50:23.795
Fuck that, All right.

00:50:23.795 --> 00:50:26.021
So we're going to do an idiom here.

00:50:29.956 --> 00:50:33.367
You're a what you said, I'm an.

00:50:33.367 --> 00:50:35.893
You don't say you said I'm an idiot here.

00:50:35.893 --> 00:50:36.273
What?

00:50:36.713 --> 00:50:36.994
Yeah.

00:50:37.996 --> 00:50:38.538
Not me you.

00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:39.659
No.

00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:41.563
Okay, continue, just move along.

00:50:42.331 --> 00:50:43.536
It's kind of hard when you fucking bring.

00:50:43.556 --> 00:50:44.157
Move along, John.

00:50:44.590 --> 00:50:46.137
Bring down the show like that.

00:50:49.773 --> 00:50:50.434
I did warn you.

00:50:50.434 --> 00:50:51.597
It was a depressing story.

00:50:51.597 --> 00:50:52.780
You weren't wrong, I know.

00:50:53.010 --> 00:50:55.333
You did not disappoint with that story.

00:50:55.373 --> 00:50:56.014
I'm never wrong.

00:50:56.715 --> 00:50:59.059
Well, I know you did not disappoint with that story.

00:50:59.079 --> 00:50:59.420
I'm never wrong.

00:50:59.420 --> 00:51:00.782
Well, please continue with your goddamn idiom.

00:51:01.925 --> 00:51:04.092
Oh, you know what?

00:51:04.193 --> 00:51:05.215
I'm doing now.

00:51:05.215 --> 00:51:12.449
Okay, have you ever beating around the bush?

00:51:12.449 --> 00:51:19.903
That's his idiom of joy.

00:51:19.903 --> 00:51:27.873
Okay, please share us what beating around the bush means.

00:51:28.695 --> 00:51:35.262
If anyone would like to apply to be a podcast partner, I am taking applications.

00:51:35.402 --> 00:51:37.344
You have to do all the research, by the way.

00:51:38.565 --> 00:51:39.405
That's just the gig.

00:51:42.182 --> 00:51:42.728
It's the gig.

00:51:45.422 --> 00:51:52.050
Holy fuck, this is stupid, though.

00:51:52.050 --> 00:51:55.436
Have you ever heard the term beating around the bush?

00:51:55.456 --> 00:51:58.922
You got me worse laughing.

00:51:58.922 --> 00:52:00.527
This is on, kate, everybody push you got me worse laughing.

00:52:00.527 --> 00:52:02.994
This is on Kate, everybody.

00:52:02.994 --> 00:52:05.780
Yes, Bradley, I have heard of.

00:52:06.141 --> 00:52:07.422
Is it because you just said it?

00:52:07.422 --> 00:52:12.817
Or is it because I'm asking the question and you've heard it in the past, before five minutes ago?

00:52:12.817 --> 00:52:17.793
Jesus fuck, Do you know where it comes from?

00:52:18.014 --> 00:52:18.335
I don't.

00:52:19.619 --> 00:52:20.161
Are you sure?

00:52:21.190 --> 00:52:22.096
Girl Scouts honor.

00:52:23.791 --> 00:52:26.458
You were never in the Girl Scouts, that's right, I was in Brownies.

00:52:26.458 --> 00:52:29.231
Left before Girl Scouts.

00:52:29.231 --> 00:52:30.577
I ate a brownie once.

00:52:30.577 --> 00:52:36.719
That's from a movie, Anyways.

00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:45.134
So it is believed to have originated around my favorite time period, which is the 1700s.

00:52:45.476 --> 00:52:46.157
No, I'll take.

00:52:47.411 --> 00:52:49.436
I'll take Brad's favorite time frame for 300.

00:52:49.456 --> 00:52:50.561
For 300 to Alex.

00:52:51.371 --> 00:52:52.876
That's weird that we both said 300.

00:52:52.876 --> 00:52:55.094
Medieval times.

00:52:55.717 --> 00:52:55.958
Okay.

00:52:57.349 --> 00:52:58.360
Medieval times that's my favorite time frame.

00:52:58.360 --> 00:52:58.286
So half evil, okay Got it.

00:52:58.286 --> 00:53:14.918
Medieval times, medieval times, that's my favorite time frame, so half evil it's not full evil, it's not evil it's in the middle medieval you completely derailed this whole fucking thing.

00:53:14.918 --> 00:53:16.556
I don't even want to do it now.

00:53:17.693 --> 00:53:21.311
I actually don't know where it came from or anything, which is why we're doing this.

00:53:21.311 --> 00:53:22.577
Well, it came from the medieval times.

00:53:22.577 --> 00:53:25.275
You're teaching me, I'm tweaking you.

00:53:25.275 --> 00:53:26.318
What teaching me?

00:53:26.530 --> 00:53:36.338
oh, jesus Christ, I'm like I'm not tweaking you so during bird hunts, because that was a thing to do back then, because they didn't have the internet, like you like to bring up.

00:53:36.338 --> 00:53:40.740
From time to time, hunters would hire beaters.

00:53:42.873 --> 00:53:43.797
So like from Harry Potter.

00:53:44.077 --> 00:53:51.094
Yes, they were playing Quidditch while hunting for birds who invited you.

00:53:51.175 --> 00:53:51.998
Are they called the Stitch?

00:53:51.998 --> 00:53:56.458
No, okay, I'll see myself out.

00:53:57.681 --> 00:53:58.081
Please do.

00:53:58.081 --> 00:54:05.342
Anyways, they would hire these beaters to scare the game birds out of bushes with sticks.

00:54:06.063 --> 00:54:06.182
Oh.

00:54:06.849 --> 00:54:19.224
And basically what they would do they would circle the bush that these birds would be in and they would literally hit the ground around the bush, beat around the bush, right.

00:54:19.224 --> 00:54:30.237
So they wouldn't actually hit the bush directly because that would potentially fuck up the bird or and I mean they're killing them anyways on a bird hunt.

00:54:30.237 --> 00:54:34.992
But it could scare it away, it could fly out, whatever so on.

00:54:34.992 --> 00:54:45.947
So they also didn't hit the bush because a beeh, it could fly out whatever so on so um they also didn't hit the bush because a beehive could have been in there.

00:54:45.967 --> 00:54:46.889
Oh sure they didn't want to hit that.

00:54:46.909 --> 00:54:47.449
Bees everywhere.

00:54:47.690 --> 00:54:48.472
I wonder how they learned that.

00:54:48.472 --> 00:54:49.797
That lesson I'm going to go with experience.

00:54:50.250 --> 00:55:05.436
So they were kind of like bird dogs with sticks, yeah, but inhuman so you know, know with a bush okay or or lack thereof, but, um, basically it was the all right.

00:55:05.436 --> 00:55:09.164
So obviously it wasn't only just birds too, but they, they also.

00:55:09.164 --> 00:55:11.295
Um, they, they were hunting birds.

00:55:11.295 --> 00:55:12.960
It wasn't just beehives, is what I meant to say.

00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.717
They also, like wild boars, would hide in these bushes.

00:55:16.717 --> 00:55:27.835
And I mean, look at robert brathen, he got fucked up drank too much, robert poor guy poor guy never had a chance I mean, he was probably like seeping wine mixed with blood.

00:55:28.217 --> 00:55:29.478
But yeah, anyways.

00:55:29.478 --> 00:55:30.039
Um.

00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:42.193
So, like they would, they didn't want to get involved with that either for sure, yeah, uh, but over over time the phrase kind of uh, basically uh.

00:55:42.193 --> 00:56:11.583
It moved to approaching the subject like get to the point okay which the point of that was to get the birds out yeah so it's like stop beating around the bush and just hit the bush basically yeah and so um, but the first time it actually appeared was in a medieval poem in the 1400s, which again is Middle Evil For anyone who missed that delicious Kate nugget before, oh my God.

00:56:12.050 --> 00:56:24.041
And so it's been around since the 1500s, basically, but it first appeared in a poem in the 1400s, but it basically basically means just sugar, get off the pot, just get to the point.

00:56:24.041 --> 00:56:33.532
Yeah, stop beating around the bush so that's cool yeah it's a little bit different yeah thanks for derailing the beginning of that it was epic it was epically stupid.

00:56:35.393 --> 00:56:36.295
That was pretty great.

00:56:38.277 --> 00:56:38.797
Drink your beer.

00:56:38.797 --> 00:56:41.818
It's really not great, but it's bad.

00:56:42.579 --> 00:56:44.161
Yeah, I really want you to try it.

00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:45.442
I really am not going to.

00:56:45.442 --> 00:56:46.722
It's for science, Bradley.

00:56:46.722 --> 00:56:49.826
No science, Trust the science.

00:56:51.027 --> 00:56:52.268
I can't until you try it.

00:56:52.268 --> 00:56:55.278
Well, we were told to.

00:56:55.278 --> 00:57:04.398
I do have a Modelo waiting for me, so I think I am going to put this.

00:57:04.418 --> 00:57:05.804
it wasn't terrible it's just definitely not something I would.

00:57:05.804 --> 00:57:06.769
It's not your style, it's really not I.

00:57:06.769 --> 00:57:14.215
I, when you picked that one out and you told me about it, I'm like yeah I don't think you're gonna enjoy that what made you say that this is a blonde?

00:57:14.376 --> 00:57:16.659
ale, just the style alone.

00:57:16.659 --> 00:57:21.639
I mean you're more of a lager forward person which is like what a Modelo is, a Pilsner lager.

00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:29.355
An ale could be a little different, like you don't mind pale ales, but I think you also enjoy a little bit of the hop, but not too much.

00:57:29.355 --> 00:57:31.072
Blonde ale is.

00:57:31.072 --> 00:57:33.019
You said you like wheat beers.

00:57:33.019 --> 00:57:35.097
It's more towards the wheat beer side of things.

00:57:35.097 --> 00:57:39.240
I just I didn't think you were going to like it.

00:57:39.240 --> 00:57:43.414
Yeah, just knowing you well enough and the style of beer you normally drink, I just didn't think it would be your thing.

00:57:43.574 --> 00:57:44.478
Well, thanks for speaking up.

00:57:44.809 --> 00:57:47.594
Well, that's why we try new things, though, right.

00:57:48.157 --> 00:57:48.577
That's fair.

00:57:49.030 --> 00:57:49.673
So I mean yeah.

00:57:49.673 --> 00:57:54.976
This one was not for me but no, and it could be for somebody, just not for Kate.

00:57:54.976 --> 00:58:00.329
My brandy bourbon, old-fashioned, was not bad.

00:58:00.329 --> 00:58:01.731
Awesome For what it is.

00:58:01.731 --> 00:58:04.139
I actually wouldn't mind trying it over ice.

00:58:04.701 --> 00:58:05.994
Oh, okay, I think that would be better.

00:58:05.994 --> 00:58:08.875
Okay, well, you got a four-pack, so I did.

00:58:08.914 --> 00:58:12.663
Yeah, you can do that, but no, it was good, I enjoyed it.

00:58:12.663 --> 00:58:22.855
Go Central Standard and in partnership with landing pools and yeah well, I suppose yeah, all right, buffoons.

00:58:23.074 --> 00:58:28.474
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